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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:29 am

    Mór Thököly wrote:A to je faul koji su mu bezmalo oprostili. I nastavili da planiraju Severne tokove itd. Na koji je i 1 Bajden ukinuo sankcije u leto 2021. Samo da bi unistio Rusiju.

    Naravno, lukavi Vikinzi su to davno isplanirali. Mangupi sa kolektivnog zapada su to sračunato odradili da bi ga navukli, blago ili nikako su reagovali nakon aneksije Krima i uspostave LNR/DNR da bi Putin pomislio kako će i invazija kojom će cijelu Ukrajinu da osvoji proći isto tako Rat u Ukrajini - Page 23 1844795956


    Bez zajebanicje, zapad je sa dostavom naoružanja i ozbiljne vojne pomoći morao da krene još dok se Strelkov motao po Slovjansku. Možda se Putin ipak ne bi odlučio na invaziju da je tako bilo.



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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:40 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:

    https://www.un.org/en/black-sea-grain-initiative/vessel-movements


     



    Kina je potvrdila da je u noćašnjem ruskom napadu na Odesu oštećena zgrada njene ambasade. "Pored kineskog konzulata u Odesi je došlo do eksplozije. Udarni val je oštetio dijelove zidova i prozora. Osoblje konzulata je prije toga napustilo prostorije i nitko nije ozlijeđen", kazao je glasnogovornik kineskog ministarstva vanjskih poslova.

    Rusi im najavili gađanje?


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    Post by Notxor Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:43 pm

    Možda. Svaka civilna žrtva je tragedija, ali se primećuje razlika u odnosu na balkansko klanje i divljanje.


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    Post by Sotir Fri Jul 21, 2023 7:45 am

    Требало би да су и јуче Украјинци прогласили ваздушну опасност у Одеси на време.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Jul 21, 2023 8:59 am

    Opinion | Why the West shouldn't feel gloomy about the Ukraine war - The Washington Post

    Opinion  The West feels gloomy about Ukraine. Here’s why it shouldn’t.

    By David Ignatius
    Columnist
    July 18, 2023 at 4:33 p.m. EDT


    An Israeli friend remarked the other day that optimists and pessimists die the same way, but optimists live better. In that spirit, let’s take a look at the situation in Ukraine.

    A gloomy mood has been gathering this summer about the war. Partly, it’s a matter of perceptions: The Ukrainian counteroffensive has been advancing more slowly than many in the West had hoped, even though Ukraine is maintaining its deliberate strategy of patience; and the NATO summit in Vilnius, Lithuania, was contentious, despite a pro-Ukraine commitment by the alliance that continues to deepen.

    The discontent is understandable but wrong. The middle of a conflict always tests people’s nerves. It feels like a tunnel; there’s a sense of fatigue and frustration; confidence sags, and combatants start blaming one another. This war-weariness might afflict Ukraine and its allies, but it’s vastly more evident in Russia. Ukraine might not be winning this war yet, but Russia is losing — and its leaders and people know it.

    A midsummer accounting shows the severe price President Vladimir Putin has paid for his misadventure in Ukraine. Public anger in Russia spawned what Putin called an “armed mutiny” by renegade warlord Yevgeniy Prigozhin. Yet Putin is apparently afraid to punish Prigozhin and his Wagner Group militia, which has outperformed Russia’s battered regular army.

    Putin’s army holds its defensive positions in Ukraine, hiding behind a blanket of mines. But the Russian army’s command and control is disintegrating. It is a mess that Putin seems unable to admit, let alone fix.


    Russia is preparing a major new offensive of its own east of Kharkiv, according to a Ukrainian defense official. That could disrupt Ukrainian plans in the south, but, given past Russian performance, it isn’t likely to alter the balance of the war.

    Considering the failure of Russia’s conventional forces, there’s an obvious danger that Putin might turn to the domain in which Russia remains a superpower: nuclear weapons. But that would be even riskier for Russia than for the West. Any demonstration of Russia’s battlefield nuclear weapons would draw a devastating U.S. conventional military response — and probably cause the loss of China as an ally.


    Meanwhile, for the United States and its NATO allies, these 18 months of war have been a strategic windfall, at relatively low cost (other than for the Ukrainians). The West’s most reckless antagonist has been rocked. NATO has grown much stronger with the additions of Sweden and Finland. Germany has weaned itself from dependence on Russian energy and, in many ways, rediscovered its sense of values. NATO squabbles make headlines, but overall, this has been a triumphal summer for the alliance.

    The Ukraine battlefield is hard to assess from a distance. Reporting from the front lines offers searing evidence that the offensive has been a bloody slog against entrenched Russian forces. But Ukraine continues to advance slowly in the south and much of the east. Kyiv hasn’t achieved its goal of splitting the swath of Russian-occupied territory along the coast and putting Russian forces in Crimea at risk. But operations such as Monday’s strike on the Kerch Strait Bridge show that Russia’s hold is vulnerable.

    How can Ukraine advance further, to a position from which it could bargain for a peace deal from strength? Pentagon officials keep reminding me that for all the angst about the slow pace of the offensive, Ukraine still hasn’t committed the bulk of its mobile forces. It’s watching for weak points in Russian lines where it can punch through.

    A measure of the difficult battle ahead came Tuesday from Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: “I think there’s a lot of fighting left to go, and I’ll stay with what we said before: This is going to be long. It’s going to be hard. It’s going to be bloody.”

    Ukrainian commanders say they need two more things to succeed. Given the stakes in this war, it’s a mistake not to provide them. The first is longer-range missiles, known as ATACMs, that can strike at Russian command and logistical centers deep in the rear. The Ukrainians’ strategy is to disrupt this Russian command and logistical network, and we should give them more tools — with the proviso that the missiles shouldn’t hit targets in Russia (or, for now, occupied Crimea).

    Ukraine’s second requirement is better air defense and protection from Russian air attacks. F-16s won’t be much help this year, but there’s other equipment in the NATO arsenal that Ukraine could use, perhaps including helicopters and ground-attack planes. U.S. commanders will know the right mix of weapons, but Washington’s rule of thumb should be to provide every weapon now that we would wish we had sent if the offensive fails.

    President Biden has always said this war should eventually be settled through negotiations, and as Ukraine advances, the administration should be working with partners to explore diplomatic options. It’s a measure of Russia’s weakness that some of Moscow’s friends, such as Turkey and China, seem increasingly interested in a negotiated settlement.

    As the West helps Ukraine push forward, it should also begin to explore the terms under which a just settlement of this war might be possible. Ukraine will need security guarantees, but a radically weakened Russia will want assurances, too. The United Nations must be involved, perhaps with peacekeeping forces that can stabilize borders after Russia withdraws from occupied territory.

    On the other side of this war is a better future for every party to the conflict, including an eventual post-Putin Russia. The thing about tunnels is that if you keep moving though them, darkness eventually gives way to light.
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    Post by Notxor Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:08 am

    meh.

    Bitne vesti prenosi NYT

    Moscow has concentrated attacks this week on Odesa and other Ukrainian port cities and their grain export infrastructure, warning that any ships sailing to those ports would be considered potential military targets. Ukraine said Thursday that it would deem ships headed for ports in Russia or Russian-occupied territories carriers of military cargo, further heightening tensions around the sea.

    The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington research group, said in a report on Thursday that the Kremlin probably views the agreement on grain as one of the few avenues of leverage for extracting concessions on sanctions. The report said that most of Ukraine’s grain is harvested in July and August.

    The White House warned on Thursday that Moscow could be gearing up to stage a false-flag operation to justify attacks against civilian ships in the Black Sea and potentially pin the blame on Ukraine.

    Samo je pitanje da li će posao uraditi ista ruska ekipa koja je minirala Severni tok?


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:02 pm

    Situacija na severoistoku nije kako treba
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:29 pm

    S druge strane, siguran sam da će SPC ovaj čin oštro osuditi

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    Post by konjski nil Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:35 pm

    sava janjić osudio pa se krezupstvo nervno izlomilo Rat u Ukrajini - Page 23 2304934895


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:40 pm

    Ma kakvi Dečani, Putin je jedino bitan!
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:47 pm

    Fra Sava Janjić
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:06 pm

    Nije fašizam

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    Post by Del Cap Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:17 pm

    preobraženje - demisionirali kao srbi, prozelitili se kao kremljomani
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    Post by Летећи Полип Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:10 pm

    Ni reči o ovome na NSPMu. Govanca mala.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:23 pm

    Bila vest o ovome juče na B92. Komentar: a šta radi taj čuveni Nato PVO?


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by MNE Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:34 pm

    Yevgeny Satanovsky (who is an atheist)



    nomen ist omen...




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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:15 am

    Tragikomedija
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    Post by Janko Suvar Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:50 pm



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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:53 pm

    Stvarno im je jezik go kurac.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:31 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Stvarno im je jezik go kurac.


    Meni oprave dobar, ko dalmatinski rep Rat u Ukrajini - Page 23 2304934895

    Bez zajebancije, meni ruski ne zvuči lijepo kao engleski ili italijanski ali mi je bolji i praktičniji od svih srodnih mu, uključujući i sve varijante južnoslovenskog.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:38 pm

    Ma ne govorni, pisani.

    Duplo n, čemu to služi.

    является - od ovog zaboli glava.


    Slova koja se ne izgovaraju.


    itd itsl


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:51 pm

    Napisao si jezik, ne pismo  :paće:

    Bolja je srpska ćirilica, istina. Ukrajinska mi je i lošija i teža od ruske.


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    Post by ficfiric Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:55 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:является - od ovog zaboli glava.

    sta je sporno u javljajetsja - ja b voleo da tako govori Porfirije, bio bi dobar materijal za skeceve


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Jul 25, 2023 7:01 pm

    ficfiric wrote:
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:является - od ovog zaboli glava.

    sta je sporno u javljajetsja - ja b voleo da tako govori Porfirije, bio bi dobar materijal za skeceve


    Jaževljajetsja i ognjica efimera.


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