Rat u Ukrajini

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Mystery divers rescued near Polish energy sites in the middle of the night offer dubious explanation, and vanish

BY ANNA NORYSKIEWICZ

UPDATED ON: JANUARY 20, 2023 / 8:28 AM / CBS NEWS

Coast guards rescued three divers off the northern coast of Poland over the weekend whose dubious explanation of their night-time dive near critical energy infrastructure, along with their mysterious identities, has reportedly sparked a cross-agency investigation. The three men, who told authorities they were Spanish nationals, were rescued near the Polish coastal city of Gdansk on Saturday night after their small motorboat broke down and they couldn't return to shore.

Since then, doubts over their intentions have mounted. They were rescued not far from the Naftoport facility at the Port of Gdansk, which receives tanker shipments of oil and other and petroleum products. They were also found near an area where there are plans to build a new floating natural gas terminal.

The Maritime Search and Rescue Service SAR told CBS News the rescue operation involved police officers, firefighters, and medical workers. SAR spokesman Rafal Goeck described the rescue operation — at just before 2 a.m. local time — as "rather unnatural."

"We received a signal from the fire brigade about a vessel in trouble," Goeck told CBS News, adding that conditions at the time were rough, with strong winds and high seas. The air temperature was only about 43 degrees Fahrenheit, and the water was closer to 37.

"In my 12-year career at the Maritime Search and Rescue Service, I have not experienced anything like that," he said. "It is a rather unnatural thing to be diving under these conditions."  

The red, 13-foot pleasure boat broke down about three nautical miles north of Gdansk. The vessel's crew said they'd been struggling for six hours to get it running again. There was no explanation as to why they might have waited so long, in the dark and cold on a rough sea, to call for help. 

Police officials determined that the men were not authorized to operate the boat and had not obtained permission to dive. According to Polish media reports, only one of the men had a Spanish passport, while the others offered only verbal identification.

Another wrinkle was their explanation: The men claimed to have been searching for amber. While the Baltic Sea is famous for its vast deposits of amber, searching for it in the dark is unlikely to be a successful strategy.

Seasoned amber hunters interviewed by Polish media said one more thing didn't add up: The men had an underwater scooter, used to drag divers swiftly through the water — something that wouldn't help in a hunt for small objects on the seafloor, especially as such a device's propeller lifts debris from the bottom, decreasing visibility.

Officers apparently saw nothing suspicious at first in the fact that the men were diving near critical infrastructure at night with no permit and atypical amber-hunting equipment, and the local police did not pursue the matter, releasing the men without further questioning.

They have all reportedly left Poland.

Cezary Przepiorka, deputy captain of the Port of Gdansk, told Polish media that only one of the men had formal identification, and the phone numbers offered by the divers were either incorrect or non-functional.

Police and the Polish Internal Security Agency have begun investigating the matter. Various reports say Poland's Central Investigation Bureau of Police, a unit that deals with organized crime, is the lead agency. The bureau declined CBS News' request to comment on the case.

The incident has raised serious concerns about the protection of vital national energy infrastructure as Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine continues to keep energy prices sky-high. A thorough investigation can be expected, especially so soon after the sabotage attack on the undersea Nordstream 1 gas pipeline just weeks ago.

European and U.S. officials have strongly suggested that Russia was behind the attack on the pipeline.  

Poland's port of Gdansk, which is vital to the country's energy supplies, sits only about 20 miles from Russia's far-flung, equally strategic western territory of Kaliningrad.

Mór Thököly wrote:To bi mogla recimo da uradi Amerika tako sto dodju kod Putina i kazu (in essence) - ako ne prihvatite nas velikodusni predlog da se rat zaustavi na ovim linijama, desice se to, to i to.  To se prosto TAKO radi. A sad nek vide oni koji zagovaraju da se "samo odmah preskoci u fazum mirovne konferencije" da li zele takav razgovor izmedju Amerike i Rusije.

The men claimed to have been searching for amber.

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:To bi mogla recimo da uradi Amerika tako sto dodju kod Putina i kazu (in essence) - ako ne prihvatite nas velikodusni predlog da se rat zaustavi na ovim linijama, desice se to, to i to.  To se prosto TAKO radi. A sad nek vide oni koji zagovaraju da se "samo odmah preskoci u fazum mirovne konferencije" da li zele takav razgovor izmedju Amerike i Rusije.

Pa to Rusija i hoće od samog početka - direktne pregovore sa Amerikom, bez prisustva Ukrajine, jer koga boli kurac šta druga po veličini zemlja u Evropi od 40 miliona stanovnika misli/želi. 

I naravno da Rusija implicitno očekuje da čuje od Amerike “ako ne prestanete, bacićemo atomku/uništiti mornaricu/štagod”, jer, ma kako to paradoksalno zvučalo, Rusi nemaju razloga da pregovaraju o miru ako nuklearna sila koju smatraju ravnopravom ne zapreti istom onom merom kojom oni prete od 24.2. To bi bio znak da se Rusija ozbiljno shvata, a Rusi to u stvari hoće od početka rata. Za njih je bilo koji mir koji nije Jalta v2.0 neprihvatljiv, jer je upravo Jalta omogućila stabilnu Evropu dok komunizam nije propo. Kakva crni direktni pregovori sa Ukrajinom, to je za Rusiju kao da si Srbiji rekao da pregovara sa UČK u vreme bombardovanja. Ne pregovara sa sa marionetama Zapada koja su uostalom niža bića, nego direktno sa njihovim gazdama.

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:To bi mogla recimo da uradi Amerika tako sto dodju kod Putina i kazu (in essence) - ako ne prihvatite nas velikodusni predlog da se rat zaustavi na ovim linijama, desice se to, to i to.  To se prosto TAKO radi. A sad nek vide oni koji zagovaraju da se "samo odmah preskoci u fazum mirovne konferencije" da li zele takav razgovor izmedju Amerike i Rusije.

Pa to Rusija i hoće od samog početka - direktne pregovore sa Amerikom, bez prisustva Ukrajine, jer koga boli kurac šta druga po veličini zemlja u Evropi od 40 miliona stanovnika misli/želi. 

I naravno da Rusija implicitno očekuje da čuje od Amerike “ako ne prestanete, bacićemo atomku/uništiti mornaricu/štagod”, jer, ma kako to paradoksalno zvučalo, Rusi nemaju razloga da pregovaraju o miru ako nuklearna sila koju smatraju ravnopravom ne zapreti istom onom merom kojom oni prete od 24.2. To bi bio znak da se Rusija ozbiljno shvata, a Rusi to u stvari hoće od početka rata. Za njih je bilo koji mir koji nije Jalta v2.0 neprihvatljiv, jer je upravo Jalta omogućila stabilnu Evropu dok komunizam nije propo. Kakva crni direktni pregovori sa Ukrajinom, to je za Rusiju kao da si Srbiji rekao da pregovara sa UČK u vreme bombardovanja. Ne pregovara sa sa marionetama Zapada koja su uostalom niža bića, nego direktno sa njihovim gazdama.

Mór Thököly wrote:Taj razgovor bi bio jako opasan.

Del Cap wrote:Lolz

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/poland-mystery-divers-gdansk-port-energy-oil-gas-infrastructure/

Mystery divers rescued near Polish energy sites in the middle of the night offer dubious explanation, and vanish

BY ANNA NORYSKIEWICZ

UPDATED ON: JANUARY 20, 2023 / 8:28 AM / CBS NEWS

Coast guards rescued three divers off the northern coast of Poland over the weekend whose dubious explanation of their night-time dive near critical energy infrastructure, along with their mysterious identities, has reportedly sparked a cross-agency investigation. The three men, who told authorities they were Spanish nationals, were rescued near the Polish coastal city of Gdansk on Saturday night after their small motorboat broke down and they couldn't return to shore.

Since then, doubts over their intentions have mounted. They were rescued not far from the Naftoport facility at the Port of Gdansk, which receives tanker shipments of oil and other and petroleum products. They were also found near an area where there are plans to build a new floating natural gas terminal.

The Maritime Search and Rescue Service SAR told CBS News the rescue operation involved police officers, firefighters, and medical workers. SAR spokesman Rafal Goeck described the rescue operation — at just before 2 a.m. local time — as "rather unnatural."

"We received a signal from the fire brigade about a vessel in trouble," Goeck told CBS News, adding that conditions at the time were rough, with strong winds and high seas. The air temperature was only about 43 degrees Fahrenheit, and the water was closer to 37.

"In my 12-year career at the Maritime Search and Rescue Service, I have not experienced anything like that," he said. "It is a rather unnatural thing to be diving under these conditions."  

The red, 13-foot pleasure boat broke down about three nautical miles north of Gdansk. The vessel's crew said they'd been struggling for six hours to get it running again. There was no explanation as to why they might have waited so long, in the dark and cold on a rough sea, to call for help. 

Police officials determined that the men were not authorized to operate the boat and had not obtained permission to dive. According to Polish media reports, only one of the men had a Spanish passport, while the others offered only verbal identification.

Another wrinkle was their explanation: The men claimed to have been searching for amber. While the Baltic Sea is famous for its vast deposits of amber, searching for it in the dark is unlikely to be a successful strategy.

Seasoned amber hunters interviewed by Polish media said one more thing didn't add up: The men had an underwater scooter, used to drag divers swiftly through the water — something that wouldn't help in a hunt for small objects on the seafloor, especially as such a device's propeller lifts debris from the bottom, decreasing visibility.

Officers apparently saw nothing suspicious at first in the fact that the men were diving near critical infrastructure at night with no permit and atypical amber-hunting equipment, and the local police did not pursue the matter, releasing the men without further questioning.

They have all reportedly left Poland.

Cezary Przepiorka, deputy captain of the Port of Gdansk, told Polish media that only one of the men had formal identification, and the phone numbers offered by the divers were either incorrect or non-functional.

Police and the Polish Internal Security Agency have begun investigating the matter. Various reports say Poland's Central Investigation Bureau of Police, a unit that deals with organized crime, is the lead agency. The bureau declined CBS News' request to comment on the case.

The incident has raised serious concerns about the protection of vital national energy infrastructure as Russia's ongoing war in Ukraine continues to keep energy prices sky-high. A thorough investigation can be expected, especially so soon after the sabotage attack on the undersea Nordstream 1 gas pipeline just weeks ago.

European and U.S. officials have strongly suggested that Russia was behind the attack on the pipeline.  

Poland's port of Gdansk, which is vital to the country's energy supplies, sits only about 20 miles from Russia's far-flung, equally strategic western territory of Kaliningrad.

Mór Thököly wrote:Da, ali to nema sanse. Amerikanci, za razliku od Ukrajine, tu prosto ne nastupaju sa pozicije slabijeg. Taj razgovor bi bio jako opasan.

Mór Thököly wrote:Pa da, ali ne ratuje se sad izmedju Rusije i Amerike. 

disident wrote:Ogranicim sebi net na pola sata dnevno i 24h kasnije forum se zauflao po svim temama 

Mór Thököly wrote:Ok, nadam se da necemo imati prilike da vidimo kako izgleda rat izmedju Rusije i Amerike

MNE wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:Pa da, ali ne ratuje se sad izmedju Rusije i Amerike. 

jok nego se ratuje između Crne Gore i Tadžikistana

MNE wrote:nekolicina dobrovoljaca,