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    Post by Janko Suvar Mon May 30, 2022 5:15 pm

    rumbeando wrote:

    A quick response from Moscow where #Russia Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev calls the @POTUS decision "rational."
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon May 30, 2022 5:23 pm

    Ukrajinci rusku teritoriju mogu da dohvate i ručnim bombama. Baška što Bajden u izjavi ne naglašava koje raketne sisteme neće dostaviti.



    CNN and The Washington Post reported on Friday the Biden administration was leaning towards sending that and another system, the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System, known as HIMARS, as part of a larger military aid package to Ukraine.

    It was not clear which system Biden was referring to in his remarks.


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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 30, 2022 5:28 pm

    pa to, sa granice mogu i petardom da napadnu rusiju. ali da, verovatno se misli na himars i slično.
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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 30, 2022 6:13 pm

    Ma gluposti, to je samo polazna izjava koja sluzi da zbunjuje i salje kontradiktorne signale. Kad Jenki kaze da nece slati nista dalekometno, ocekuj da na kraju balade eskalira dotle da salje stvari koje dosezu minimum 1000 km.

    "Necemo slati nista sto stize do Rusije" ce postati "slacemo strogo odbrambene sisteme", pa "slacemo nesto protiv brodova", "slacemo rakete dugog dometa ali ne i nosace pa ce domet biti ogranicen", "dobro, poslali smo nosace, ali Ukrajinci ne znaju sifre da gadjaju preko 300 km", "da, vec smo isporucili sve sto je potrebno" i na kraju balade "nakon sinocnjeg dogadjaja X / velikog stradanja civila Y, spremni smo da odgovorimo - necete verovati, ali nase haubice, predator dronovi i dalekometne rakete su vec spremne u Ukrajini i vec od sutra ce biti korisceni"
    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 30, 2022 6:15 pm

    Necemo slati nista sto stize do Rusije. Iz Amerike.
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    Post by Tovar Mon May 30, 2022 6:17 pm

    rumbeando wrote:War sucks kad nisi general.



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    Kad pročitam ovakve stvari, ili izvještaje o Rusima iz kojekakvih sirotinjskih pripizdina koji se u vojsku prijavljuju ne bi li zaradili nešto rubalja za obitelji, padne mi na pamet ona Lenjinova(?) 'bajonet puška je oružje s radnikom na obje strane'.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 30, 2022 6:27 pm

    Guardian

    Russia will stop supplying gas to the Netherlands as of tomorrow after the government-backed trader GasTerra refused to pay supplier Gazprom in roubles. About 44% of Dutch energy usage is based on gas, but only about 15% of Dutch gas comes from Russia, according to government figures.

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 30, 2022 9:57 pm



    Lavrov (BBC)

    Upitan o ljudskim žrtavama rata u Ukrajini usled razornih artiljerijskih i raketnih napada na neka urbana područja, ministar spoljnih poslova tvrdi da ruski vojnici imaju „strogo naređenje da izbegavaju napade i udare na civilnu infrastrukturu".
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon May 30, 2022 10:44 pm

    E dobro je što paze da ne pogode civile.


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    Post by Janko Suvar Mon May 30, 2022 10:47 pm

    Julian Röpcke🇺🇦
    @JulianRoepcke
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    26m
    #Breaking #NewsMap 
    More and more indication, Ukrainian forces surrendered #Severodonetsk to Russian invasion forces without a fight.
    The center is under Russian control and there is - again - no fighting visible or audible.


    Toshkivka also fully fell to the invasion army, meaning, they are advancing on the Western shore of the Siverski Donets towards #Lyssytchansk.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 30, 2022 11:07 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:E dobro je što paze da ne pogode civile.

    Sta bi bilo da ne paze.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 30, 2022 11:08 pm

    Janko Suvar wrote:Julian Röpcke🇺🇦
    @JulianRoepcke
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    26m
    #Breaking #NewsMap 
    More and more indication, Ukrainian forces surrendered #Severodonetsk to Russian invasion forces without a fight.
    The center is under Russian control and there is - again - no fighting visible or audible.


    Toshkivka also fully fell to the invasion army, meaning, they are advancing on the Western shore of the Siverski Donets towards #Lyssytchansk.

    Lakse je braniti Lisičansk, ima reka okolo.
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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 30, 2022 11:19 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:E dobro je što paze da ne pogode civile.

    Sta bi bilo da ne paze.

    Raspale svom silom iz uragana, smerca, haubica. Stotine projektila padaju i razvaljuju sve pred sobom.

    - Pauza! Jel vidite neke civile?
    - Ne, druz...gospodine kapetane! Nema nicega.
    - Dobro, nastavite. Mile Mihail, javi komandi da strogo pazimo na civile.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 30, 2022 11:24 pm

    pa to se ocigledno i desava. doduse, nisu rekli da paze na civile, nego na "infrastrukturu".
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    Post by kondo Tue May 31, 2022 12:48 am

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:E dobro je što paze da ne pogode civile.

    Sta bi bilo da ne paze.

    RTS


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue May 31, 2022 12:49 am

    To je neuporedivo
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue May 31, 2022 12:53 am

    NYT

    BRUSSELS — The European Union on Monday agreed to ban most imports of Russian oil, the harshest economic penalty yet imposed on Russia for its invasion of Ukraine, and potentially the biggest sacrifice by Europe, itself.

    The deal is the latest and most far-reaching demonstration that over more than three months of war, in reaction to mounting Russian aggression and atrocities, European leaders have grown willing to take steps they considered too extreme when the invasion began. They have already barred imports of Russian natural gas, cut off Russian banks from global financial networks, frozen Russian assets and sent advanced weaponry to Ukraine.

    After weeks of intense wrangling, E.U. leaders meeting in Brussels endorsed an embargo on Russian oil delivered by tankers, the primary method, with commitments to reduce imports by pipeline, according to a draft agreement seen by The New York Times. The deal was announced in a late-night tweet by Charles Michel, president of the European Council, though many details remain to be hashed out.

    The endorsement came as a multipronged Kremlin assault closed in on the easternmost Ukrainian-controlled city, Sievierodonetsk. Russian forces continued their pattern of bombarding cities and towns, including civilian areas, reducing them to depopulated wastelands before attempting to seize control.

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    With the war driving up prices, the European Union countries alone have been paying $23 billion a month for Russian oil.

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    The limited embargo that European leaders endorsed was tailored to win Mr. Orban’s support. Prohibiting Russian oil deliveries aboard tankers would eliminate two-thirds of E.U. imports, while having no effect on Hungary, a landlocked nation. Arriving at the E.U. summit meeting on Monday, Mr. Orban said of the pipeline exemption, “It’s a good approach.”

    Slovakia, the Czech Republic and Germany, which also receive Russian oil by pipeline, were expected to commit to weaning themselves from that source; Hungary is not expected to give any such assurance.

    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/30/world/russia-ukraine-war?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20220530&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=headline&regi_id=68640735&segment_id=93761&user_id=73a0899eb7f6ff553c40e66f414dda52
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    Post by plachkica Tue May 31, 2022 12:58 am

    a?

    'They have already barred imports of Russian natural gas'
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue May 31, 2022 1:00 am

    Neam pojma sta su tacno mislili pod tim

    U svakom slucaju, ovo je najvaznija mera koju su doneli od pocetka rata. To je na godisnjem nivou oko 180bn dolara. To je vrlo ozbiljan novac.

    Samo sto cemo tek videti kad ce poceti da se primenjuje.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue May 31, 2022 1:08 am

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    Post by Del Cap Tue May 31, 2022 8:40 am

    Azov Battalion drops neo-Nazi symbol exploited by Russian propagandists
    Tom Ball
    Monday May 30 2022, 2.30pm BST, The Times

    The Azov Battalion has removed a neo-Nazi symbol from its insignia that has helped perpetuate Russian propaganda about Ukraine being in the grip of far-right nationalism.

    At the unveiling of a new special forces unit in Kharkiv, patches handed to soldiers did not feature the wolfsangel, a medieval German symbol that was adopted by the Nazis and which has been used by the battalion since 2014.

    Instead, they featured a golden trident, the Ukrainian national symbol worn by other regiments.

    “On the same principles and ideological basis as the legendary Azov regiment, we form new divisions. Every day they become more numerous and professional,” Maksym Zhorin, an Azov commander, said at the ceremony on Sunday.

    eto, denacifikacija radi.....
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    Post by Del Cap Tue May 31, 2022 8:49 am

    Россия недополучит около $22 млрд нефтяных доходов из-за нефтяного эмбарго Евросоюза, подсчитало агентство Bloomberg. Однако $10 млрд ежегодных поступлений Россия сможет сохранить за счет поступлений от поставок в Венгрию, Словакию и Чехию по нефтепроводу «Дружба».

    Как утверждает Bloomberg, прекращение поставок по трубопроводу через северную ветку нефтепровода «Дружба» в Польшу и Германию сократит доходы России на $12 млрд. От запрета на экспорт нефти в Европу морским путем Россия потеряет около $10 млрд в год. Из-за продажи нефти в Азии с большим дисконтом Россия может понести дополнительные убытки.

    Blumbergova računica kaže da će Rusija imati 22 milijarde dolara manjih prihoda od prodaje nafte i prerađevina u EU ove godine, a deo gubitka će se nadoknaditi povećanim izvozom u Aziju (pre svega u Indiju i Kinu).
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    Post by Filipenko Tue May 31, 2022 9:09 am

    exploited by Russian propagandists

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    Dobro je da ga ukrajinski nacisti nisu koristili u propagandne svrhe. Danas evo mozemo priznati da su to nacisticki simboli, ali pod uslovom da dodamo da su surovo iskoriscavani od strane nacista Rusa.

    Inace, za sve one koji se pitaju kako to da Rusi nisu naisli na dobrodoslicu lokalaca...

    special forces unit in Kharkiv
    “On the same principles and ideological basis as the legendary Azov regiment, we form new divisions.“

    ...eto zasto.

    A eto i ko i koga vezuje za bandere u slavu...Bandere.


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    Post by Filipenko Tue May 31, 2022 9:12 am

    Del Cap wrote:
    Россия недополучит около $22 млрд нефтяных доходов из-за нефтяного эмбарго Евросоюза, подсчитало агентство Bloomberg. Однако $10 млрд ежегодных поступлений Россия сможет сохранить за счет поступлений от поставок в Венгрию, Словакию и Чехию по нефтепроводу «Дружба».

    Как утверждает Bloomberg, прекращение поставок по трубопроводу через северную ветку нефтепровода «Дружба» в Польшу и Германию сократит доходы России на $12 млрд. От запрета на экспорт нефти в Европу морским путем Россия потеряет около $10 млрд в год. Из-за продажи нефти в Азии с большим дисконтом Россия может понести дополнительные убытки.

    Blumbergova računica kaže da će Rusija imati 22 milijarde dolara manjih prihoda od prodaje nafte i prerađevina u EU ove godine, a deo gubitka će se nadoknaditi povećanim izvozom u Aziju (pre svega u Indiju i Kinu).


    Ah, lepote zapadne terminologije. Manji prihodi ili gubici? Posto to nije isto. Nije kao da ce Rusija nesto da izgubi ako proda na drugoj strani. Inace, prihodi od nafte su im uvecani za 45% ove godine, tako da tesko da imaju ikakve "gubitke". Dugorocno ce i to uslediti, ali kombinacija novih trzista i vecih cena nafte sasvim sigurno doprinosi da se "gubici" ne osete. Za sada.
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    Post by rumbeando Tue May 31, 2022 9:18 am

    Del Cap wrote:
    Россия недополучит около $22 млрд нефтяных доходов из-за нефтяного эмбарго Евросоюза, подсчитало агентство Bloomberg. Однако $10 млрд ежегодных поступлений Россия сможет сохранить за счет поступлений от поставок в Венгрию, Словакию и Чехию по нефтепроводу «Дружба».

    Как утверждает Bloomberg, прекращение поставок по трубопроводу через северную ветку нефтепровода «Дружба» в Польшу и Германию сократит доходы России на $12 млрд. От запрета на экспорт нефти в Европу морским путем Россия потеряет около $10 млрд в год. Из-за продажи нефти в Азии с большим дисконтом Россия может понести дополнительные убытки.

    Blumbergova računica kaže da će Rusija imati 22 milijarde dolara manjih prihoda od prodaje nafte i prerađevina u EU ove godine, a deo gubitka će se nadoknaditi povećanim izvozom u Aziju (pre svega u Indiju i Kinu).

    Ne, nego će povećati gubitke. Prevod zadnje rečenice na engleski:

    Due to the sale of oil in Asia at a large discount, Russia may incur additional losses.

    Ove 22 milijarde su izgleda gubici zato što je lakše transportovati naftu u EU nego na Daleki istok. Dodatni gubici se stvaraju davanjem popusta Kini i Indiji da u većoj meri pređu na rusku naftu.

    Doduše, veliko je pitanje kako se računaju gubici - u odnosu na tržišnu cenu prodaja sa osetnim popustom jeste gubitak, a u odnosu na predratnu cenu nije, već je dobitak.

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