Rat u Ukrajini

Del Cap wrote:pa to je staza uzajamne američko-ruske eskalacije. za sada i u bližoj perspektivi daleko, daleko skuplja za ruse, za dugi rok, videćemo.

Mór Thököly wrote:

Del Cap wrote:pa to je staza uzajamne američko-ruske eskalacije. za sada i u bližoj perspektivi daleko, daleko skuplja za ruse, za dugi rok, videćemo.

Ma Ameri su mirni, ne znam sta za njih moze da krene lose u vezi sa tim. Za EU je problem.

Tovar wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:

Ma Ameri su mirni, ne znam sta za njih moze da krene lose u vezi sa tim. Za EU je problem.

Jedino što mi pada na pamet: nekakav iznenadni pičvajz s Iranom ili tako nekim, a zalihe oružja se mrvu stanjile. Ali pretpostavljam da im ni to ne bi bio neki veliki problem, s obzirom na tip oružja koje isporučuju Ukrajini.

Bono sings with soldier in Kyiv metro station https://t.co/cZUllQcvSu

— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) May 9, 2022

Filipenko wrote:Kad ti predsednik Jevrejin cestita dan pobede nad nacistima. Istu fotku okacilo i ministarstvo odbrane. Posle skinuli, naravno...

https://www.ft.com/content/8db0d387-fb41-4142-b78f-6619d36d8be0


Ukraine upgrades war aims as confidence grows

Foreign minister Dmytro Kuleba says ‘picture of victory’ has shifted to full liberation of territories from Russian occupation

Ukraine has upgraded its war aims and is now looking to push Russian forces out of the country as long as western allies rapidly deliver promised heavy weaponry, its foreign minister has said.

In a sign of the growing confidence in Kyiv after Moscow’s offensive in the eastern Donbas region appeared to have stalled, Dmytro Kuleba told the Financial Times “the picture of victory is an evolving concept”.

“In the first months of the war the victory for us looked like withdrawal of Russian forces to the positions they occupied before February 24 and payment for inflicted damage,” Kuleba said in an interview.

“Now if we are strong enough on the military front and we win the battle for Donbas, which will be crucial for the following dynamics of the war, of course the victory for us in this war will be the liberation of the rest of our territories.”

Kuleba said only Russia’s defeat would allow Ukraine to reopen its Black Sea ports and revive its export economy. If Kyiv received “even more military support, we will be able to throw them back from the Kherson region [in southern Ukraine], to defeat the Black Sea fleet and unblock the passage”.

But he also acknowledged the bloodshed could be too great and Ukraine might ultimately have to negotiate a settlement. In that event, Kyiv would want to “approach the unavoidable moment with the strongest cards possible”, he said.

If the battle is raging today, and howitzers and drones are arriving tomorrow, that is not how it should work

Kuleba spoke hours after the annual Victory Day parade in Moscow’s Red Square, during which Russian president Vladimir Putin made clear his determination to vanquish Ukraine even as he did not announce a full mobilisation or issue a formal declaration of war.

Kuleba said the lack of verbal escalation from Putin made no difference to the situation on the battlefield, where “the worst has already happened”.

To defeat Russia, he said Ukraine’s allies had to deprive it of oil and gas revenues “to park the Russian war machine”.

They also needed to improve the “timeline and sustainability” of weapons supplies. Kyiv has berated western governments for dragging their feet over the supply of long-range, heavy weaponry of its own choosing.

But he said Ukraine’s resilience in the first phase of the invasion — when it fended off a Russian attempt to seize Kyiv — and the fact that it had proven “trustworthy” using western-supplied anti-tank weapons and surface-to-air Stinger missiles had been a “game-changer” for western perceptions.

Kuleba said Ukraine wanted a permanent “mechanism” for co-ordinating weapons pledges and deliveries among western allies so that donors did not make ad hoc pledges from their stockpiles.

That would mean building on the “new dynamic” reached when US defence secretary Lloyd Austin rallied Nato member countries last month to boost armament supplies, calibre and range.

Kuleba said the immediate focus in the battle for Donbas was the need for artillery, including howitzers, which the country was receiving, as well as multiple-launch rocket systems that have not been supplied.

He expressed hope that Kyiv would receive US-made systems rather than stockpiled Soviet-era “Grads”, even before the US Congress approves a $33bn package of economic and military assistance, expected towards the end of May.

“The promise was given,” Kuleba said.

The minister said he was convinced Ukraine’s allies would back it all the way, including pushing Russia out of Donbas and Crimea, because it was Moscow’s aggression that had given the west a new sense of purpose.

When “democracy was in decline” and “authoritarian regimes on the offensive” three months ago, Kuleba said it was Ukraine’s resistance that “brought the US and EU back together”.

“They already feel that our victory will also be their victory and this is why I believe they will stand by us,” Kuleba said.

Responding to French president Emmanuel Macron’s prediction that it could take “several years, in truth undoubtedly several years” for Ukraine to join the EU, Kuleba said: “Three months ago this country did not even have a membership perspective. Now they are discussing how long it will take.”

The most important thing was for Ukraine to be given membership candidate status by the EU in June. “Then we will sit down with you and resolve the rest of the issues. How. When, and so forth.”

Macron and some other leaders have proposed forms of associate membership but Kuleba said these could not be a substitute for Kyiv.


“If we don’t get the candidate status, it means only one thing, that Europe is trying to trick us. And we are not going to swallow it.


“Ukraine is the only place in Europe where people are dying for the values the EU is based on. And I think this should be respected.”

How would the Finnish Defence Forces fare against an invasion from the east? I've been following some Finnish volunteers in Ukraine, and noticed a pattern: they tend to think that Finland is better prepared than Ukraine was. I've translated one thread below.

— Janne M. Korhonen (@jmkorhonen) May 9, 2022

The commander wouldn't hear of it, and the Finns "did what we do best": went to the forest where they dug deep foxholes and slept in them, without tents. That was a source of great amusement to other foreign volunteers.

10:36 am · 9 May 2022·Twitter Web App

Russia has only gained a handful of miles in Donbas because of four factors: senior US defense official

1) won't advance ahead of artillery fires
2) stuck on paved roads because of spring mud
3) hasn't fixed logistics in Donbas
4) Some troops aren't following orders

— Jack Detsch (@JackDetsch) May 9, 2022

Cousin Billy wrote:Da li bi? 

Ne znam zapravo koliko istine ima u pričama da su naši inteligentno izmicali NATO napadima putem raznih kamuflaža i vizuelnih mamaca.

The team has been working on the restoration of the platform for more than 15 hours. Some partners of the service also joined in resolving the situation. They promise to restore the site, but still demonstrate the Victory Parade - albeit on record. “As usual, Rutube is expected to solve all problems with lightning speed. Well, we are accustomed to high demands. However, we recall that magic wands do not exist in real life, ”apparently, they joke in the telegram channel of the service. But there is also an alternative version. A source from The Village, close to the Rutube team, believes that the platform has left us forever and cannot be restored. According to the insider, the hackers took advantage of the leak and completely removed the site's code. Information The Village was confirmed by the producer of the "Tender Editor" and the TV channel "Friday!" Svetlana Gulyaeva. She was informed about the possible death of Rutube by her fellow producers. The corresponding post appeared in Svetlana's telegram channel. “The service was not raised during the day, the guys from the team say that there is a panic,” Gulyaeva admitted.

Notxor wrote:Nije spavanje u zemunici originalna ideja nego su Ukrajinci glupi.
Ja sam spavao 3 nedelje u zemunici i to u miru.
U ratu bi zemunica samo bila dublja, a debla koja čine krov deblja.

edit: Naravno da ne mislim da su svi Ukrajinci glupi - mislim na te koji su spavali na livadi u šatorima

#Europe must learn from its past mistakes and make sure no side is humiliated when #Russia and #Ukraine negotiate for peace, as happened to Germany in 1918, France’s president @EmmanuelMacron proclaimed on Europe Day in Strasbourg. @GeorgiGotev reports.https://t.co/jn0dmwHriS

— EURACTIV (@EURACTIV) May 10, 2022