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    Del Cap

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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 09, 2022 6:17 pm

    Patuljak samo snima propagandu po ceo dan. Sada mi je jasno zasto su ga postavili za predsednika.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Mon May 09, 2022 6:28 pm



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    Filipenko

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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 09, 2022 7:07 pm

    Ben Sapiro propo.
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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 09, 2022 7:21 pm

    Ovo će biti veselo


    EU should seize Russian reserves to rebuild Ukraine, top diplomat says

    Josep Borrell tells FT he wants discussion about methods of ensuring ‘war compensations’ from Russia


    EU capitals should consider seizing frozen Russian foreign exchange reserves to cover the costs of rebuilding Ukraine after the war, the bloc’s top diplomat has said, as the west debates how to force Moscow to pay for some of the damage the conflict has caused. Josep Borrell, the EU’s high representative for foreign policy, said the US had taken control of billions of dollars of assets belonging to the Afghan central bank, in part to potentially compensate victims of terrorism as well as for humanitarian aid for the country, and that it would be logical to consider similar steps with Russia’s reserves. “I would be very much in favour because it is full of logic,” said Borrell in an interview with the Financial Times. “We have the money in our pockets, and someone has to explain to me why it is good for the Afghan money and not good for the Russian money.”

    Early in the war, the EU and its allies froze hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign exchange reserves parked in accounts by the Russian central bank. Russia said in March that the central bank sanctions had frozen about $300bn out of its gold and forex reserves, which total more than $600bn. EU officials have examined the question of whether Russia’s reserves could somehow be deployed in the Ukraine reconstruction effort, but Brussels has not come forward with any policy proposals on the topic. Borrell raised the idea as one of a number of ways in which Russia could be made to contribute. Asked last month whether the money could be seized and used to rebuild Ukraine, US Treasury secretary Janet Yellen said it was not something to be done lightly, should only be done in co-ordination with allies and that it might require legislation in the US.  Borrell said the question of how to pay for the rebuilding of Ukraine was one of the crucial political questions given the “incredible amount of money” that would be involved. He wanted to see a discussion about methods of ensuring “war compensations” came from Russia. 

    The European Commission has said the reconstruction price tag could run into hundreds of billions of euros, and Europe is expected to bear a significant share of the burden. Sums raised in recent pledging conferences by Ukraine’s partners, he added, had been a mere “drop of water in the ocean” compared with what would be needed. US president Joe Biden has proposed oligarchs’ seized assets could be sold off to help rebuild Ukraine — an idea also advocated last week by European Council president Charles Michel. Commission officials have been examining ways of making this legally more straightforward, but the topic is fraught given the overriding need to respect due process and not to railroad individuals’ legal rights.

    Asset confiscations are sometimes possible following a criminal conviction, but that requirement would not be satisfied just because someone was targeted with sanctions. The idea of seizing Russian foreign exchange reserves would mark a dramatic move that would probably alarm other governments with strained relations with the EU and its partners. But Borrell argued that it would not be without precedent, pointing to the US decision to set aside $3.5bn of frozen assets of the Afghan central bank for needs including humanitarian relief and compensation for families of victims of the September 11 attacks. “This is one of the most important political questions on the table: who is going to pay for the reconstruction of Ukraine?” Borrell said. Russian deputy foreign minister Alexander Grushko said on Monday that Borrell’s idea was “total lawlessness [and] destruction of the very foundations of international relations”. Grushko told state newswire RIA Novosti that seizing Russia’s reserves would “harm the Europeans themselves, the modern financial system and trust in Europe and the west in general”.
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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 09, 2022 7:53 pm

    Americka fora da ti postave vlast koja ti prosledi njihove devize i ti onda ucenjujes da niko ne sme da srusi tu vlast jer u suprotnom zaplenice ti sve rezerve je super, cudi me da se toga nisu ranije setili.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon May 09, 2022 7:56 pm

    Ja prvi put čujem da su to već uradili sa avganistanskom imovinom Rat u Ukrajini - Page 29 1403342043

    Za razliku od talibana, Rusi imaju šta da zaplijene protivnicima kao kontra mjeru.


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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 09, 2022 8:01 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:Ja prvi put čujem da su to već uradili sa avganistanskom imovinom Rat u Ukrajini - Page 29 1403342043

    Za razliku od talibana, Rusi imaju šta da zaplijene protivnicima kao kontra mjeru.

    To je od ranije poznata stvar. Sve pare Avganistana su blokirane i onemogucena im je trgovina posto, jelte, Talibani nemaju devize koje su iznete iz zemlje od strane prethodnih vlasti, i izazvana je (a u najmanju ruku pospesena) glad u Avganistanu, dok se cinicno prica o tome kako su je eto Talibani kreirali, iako su oni zapravo hteli da nabave hranu za stanovnistvo.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon May 09, 2022 8:37 pm



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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 09, 2022 8:41 pm

    Da se i Norvežanin odmori od sekiracije
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    Post by boomer crook Mon May 09, 2022 8:42 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
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    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/05/05/support-ukraine-strong-europe-nations-are-not-unit

    grci cuvaju snagu za trursku


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon May 09, 2022 9:54 pm

    Президент США Байден подписал закон о ленд-лизе для Украины


    Президент США Джо Байден подписал закон о поставках Украине вооружений в рамках программы ленд-лиза. Об этом сообщили в Белом доме, передает ТАСС.


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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 09, 2022 10:15 pm

    pun intended, je li

    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 09, 2022 10:39 pm

    Ovo je "big", zapravo
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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 09, 2022 10:43 pm

    kaži mi da su ušli u rat a da nisu ušli u rat
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    "lend liz"
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    Post by Guest Mon May 09, 2022 10:43 pm

    Veoma big.
    Del Cap

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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 09, 2022 10:49 pm

    Del Cap

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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 09, 2022 10:50 pm

    Kačio sam Tuza oko "lend liza". Većina stvari je već bila odobrena i naznačena, ovo sad je više simboličko/političko prepakivanje kao poruka.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 09, 2022 10:50 pm

    Secam se onog nemackog politicara - ma sta sad, prekasno je, rusi ce ionako za nedelju dana biti u kijevu, ameri nude zelenskom da ga sklone iz Kijeva/Ukrajine... Tri meseca kasnije - lend-lease od US. Bukvalno "ma bice gotovo do bozica" momenat.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 09, 2022 10:53 pm

    Pa ja vise ni ne znam kako mogu da obnove Ukrajinu osim tim ruskim novcem. Minimalno su u pitanju stotine milijardi evra/dolara
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    Post by Guest Mon May 09, 2022 10:58 pm

    Del Cap wrote:Većina stvari je već bila odobrena i naznačena, ovo sad je više simboličko/političko prepakivanje kao poruka.
    Što je dosta važnije od tih spiskova bakaluka.
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    Post by Del Cap Mon May 09, 2022 11:01 pm

    pa to je staza uzajamne američko-ruske eskalacije. za sada i u bližoj perspektivi daleko, daleko skuplja za ruse, za dugi rok, videćemo.
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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 09, 2022 11:02 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon May 09, 2022 11:09 pm

    Ovom Lavrovu baš krenulo sa paralelama vezanim za Izrael i Jevreje.
    Sreća pa Rusija ima dobru istoriju odnosa prema Jevrejima pa ova opsesija neće biti pogrešno shvaćena.


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    Post by Tovar Mon May 09, 2022 11:09 pm

    Skroz me smirio.

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