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Летећи Полип wrote:Ma niko od njih ne želi da ostane u Srbiji. Srbi ne žele da ostanu u Srbiji. Ali tu se ne pitaju ni oni, ni Srbi, već Zapad. Austrijanci već prave vojne vežbe za suzbijanje ilegalnih prelaza preko granice . Napraviće čekaonicu-zatvor od Balkana.

Walk or die: Algeria strands 13,000 migrants in the Sahara


ASSAMAKA, Niger (AP) — From this isolated frontier post deep in the sands of the Sahara, the expelled migrants can be seen coming over the horizon by the hundreds. They look like specks in the distance, trudging miserably across some of the world’s most unforgiving terrain in the blistering sun.

They are the ones who made it out alive.

Here in the desert, Algeria has abandoned more than 13,000 people in the past 14 months, including pregnant women and children, stranding them without food or water and forcing them to walk, sometimes at gunpoint, under temperatures of up to 48 degrees Celsius (118 degrees Fahrenheit).

In Niger, where the majority head, the lucky ones limp across a desolate 15-kilometer (9-mile) no man’s land to Assamaka, less a town than a collection of unsteady buildings sinking into drifts of sand. Others, disoriented and dehydrated, wander for days before a U.N. rescue squad can find them. Untold numbers perish along the way; nearly all the more than two dozen survivors interviewed by The Associated Press told of people in their groups who simply could not go on and vanished into the Sahara.

“Women were lying dead, men..... Other people got missing in the desert because they didn’t know the way,” said Janet Kamara, who was pregnant at the time. “Everybody was just on their own.”

Her body still aches from the dead baby she gave birth to during the trek and left behind in the Sahara, buried in a shallow grave in the molten sand. Blood streaked her legs for days afterward, and weeks later, her ankles are still swollen. Now in Arlit, Niger, she is reeling from the time she spent in what she calls “the wilderness,” sleeping in the sand.

Quietly, in a voice almost devoid of feeling, she recalled at least two nights in the open before her group was finally rescued, but said she lost track of time.

“I lost my son, my child,” said Kamara, a Liberian who ran her own home business selling drinks and food in Algeria and was expelled in May.

Another woman in her early twenties, who was expelled at the same time, also went into labor, she said. That baby didn’t make it either.

Algeria’s mass expulsions have picked up since October 2017, as the European Union renewed pressure on North African countries to head off migrants going north to Europe via the Mediterranean Sea or the barrier fences with Spain. These migrants from across sub-Saharan Africa — Mali, the Gambia, Guinea, Ivory Coast, Niger and more — are part of the mass migration toward Europe, some fleeing violence, others just hoping to make a living.

A European Union spokesperson said the EU was aware of what Algeria was doing, but that “sovereign countries” can expel migrants as long as they comply with international law. Unlike Niger, Algeria takes none of the EU money intended to help with the migration crisis, although it did receive $111.3 million in aid from Europe between 2014 and 2017.

Algeria provides no figures for the expulsions. But the number of people crossing on foot to Niger has been rising steadily since the International Organization for Migration started counting in May 2017, when 135 people were dropped at the crossing, to as high as 2,888 in April 2018. In all, according to the IOM, a total of 11,276 men, women and children survived the march.

At least another 2,500 were forced on a similar trek this year through the Sahara into neighboring Mali, with an unknown number succumbing along the way.

The migrants the AP talked to described being rounded up hundreds at a time, crammed into open trucks headed southward for six to eight hours to what is known as Point Zero, then dropped in the desert and pointed in the direction of Niger. They are told to walk, sometimes at gunpoint. In early June, 217 men, women and children were dropped well before reaching Point Zero, fully 30 kilometers (18 miles) from the nearest source of water, according to the IOM.

Within seconds of setting foot on the sand, the heat pierces even the thickest shoes. Sweat dries upon the first touch of air, providing little relief from the beating sun overhead. Each inhalation is like breathing in an oven.

But there is no turning back.

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https://apnews.com/9ca5592217aa4acd836b9ee091ebfc20/Algeria-abandons-13,000-migrants-in-the-Sahara-in-waves

Halve number of refugees
No welfare for failed asylum-seekers
Strengthen ID checks
Ban failed asylum-seekers from ever returning if don't leave voluntarily
Only jobs that can't be done by native Swedes should go to migrants

Says ... Sweden's centre-LEFThttps://t.co/n8DmR4EmLI

— Matthew Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) July 21, 2018

Летећи Полип wrote:Ne razumem šta je ne-socijaldemokratsko u predloženim politikama. Pa socijaldemokrate i treba da budu protiv masovnog i nekontrolisanog priliva stanovništva aka. radne snage.

KinderLad wrote:
Zato što je to čista demagogija, pošto skoro cela Evropa može da dođe u Švedsku da radi ako ima ponudu za posao samom činjenicom da je Švedska u EU. Drugim rečima dobiće više Poljaka ili Italijana, a manje...ovih, jel, nekih drugih.

William Murderface wrote:Ma o cemu pricamo, ovi se uvlace desnici i to je cela prica. Btw, ako IKEA moze da otvara radnje po celom svetu, mogu i izbeglice da dolaze u Svecku iz svih krajeva sveta i to je to. Moze i zatvorena trgovacka drzava, ko voli, ali to onda ide u oba smera.

While on tour, Bannon’s diatribes tend to focus on Trump, his miraculous election victory, and the president’s vision of tearing down the “global liberal elite.” He pushes all the right buttons: defense spending, trade imbalances, and Crooked Hillary. But Bannon does it from a blinkered Washington perspective. There was little Central European context in his speeches and no evidence of the close attention that Bannon claims the U.S. far-right pays to the region and its “populist nationalist revolt.”
In fact, Bannon, who left the White House last summer, is so clueless about the needs and priorities of Eastern European nations that right-wing commentators in Budapest were quick to express frustration. Why, they asked, would Bannon parrot the White House line that China and Iran threaten Western civilization when those countries are currently a cornerstone of Orban’s foreign and economic policy ambitions?
Hungary hopes for a significant economic boost from Chinese investment—largely in transport infrastructure as part of Beijing’s Belt and Road Initiative—in the coming years and hopes to expand trade and establish Budapest as a regional hub for Chinese finance. It has joined Poland recently in fluttering its eyelashes at Beijing by pioneering yuan-denominated debt issues, an aid to China’s push to raise its profile on international financial markets. Hungary signed one such deal, raising $148 million, in 2016, with another bond issue last year.
The rest of the region is also careful to avoid offending Beijing as it chases Chinese investment. When the Czech culture minister privately met the Dalai Lama in 2016, Zeman forced the then-prime minister into co-signing a groveling letter of apology.
In Prague, Bannon also offered an economic epiphany. Trade is simply “unfair competition using underpaid labor in other countries,” he declared. The audience’s stunned silence was not due to his radical challenge to conventional wisdom but because of the approximately 80 percent of the Czech Republic’s GDP that comes from exports.

KinderLad wrote:Švedska je ogromna zemlja. I biće, tako izgleda, klimatski sve bolja za život. Imaju, koliko, 9-10 miliona. Nije sve to nikakav problem. Svima njima bi trebalo istočna Evropa da služi kao veliko upozorenje da se uvek može dogoditi ovo ili ono što dovodi do depopulacije. Samo što ćeš se teže depopuisati sa 30m nego sa 9m. Ono što bi trebalo možda da rade ako hoće da sačuvaju "lokalne zajednic" je da ne može svako da se naseli gde mu padne na pamet. Ali ne više od toga, imho.

William Murderface wrote:Postoji srpsko izdanje.

https://www.nedeljnik.rs/lmd

Ointagru Unartan wrote:

KinderLad wrote:Švedska je ogromna zemlja. I biće, tako izgleda, klimatski sve bolja za život. Imaju, koliko, 9-10 miliona. Nije sve to nikakav problem. Svima njima bi trebalo istočna Evropa da služi kao veliko upozorenje da se uvek može dogoditi ovo ili ono što dovodi do depopulacije. Samo što ćeš se teže depopuisati sa 30m nego sa 9m. Ono što bi trebalo možda da rade ako hoće da sačuvaju "lokalne zajednic" je da ne može svako da se naseli gde mu padne na pamet. Ali ne više od toga, imho.

Btw, u jednom od poslednjih le Monde Diplomatique (postoji li jos srpsko izdanje?) bio je zanimljiv dosije o demografskoj buducnosti Evrope.

Par crtica:

Svedska ima pozitivni prirodni prirastaj, nezavisno od migranata i njihove dece. Jedno od objasnjenja je da su se oni vise od ostalih primakli idealu jednakosti polova, sto znaci da u praksi Svedjankama odgajanje dece pored posla predstavlja manji teret nego ostalim Evropljankama. Isto vazi i za Norvesku. Njihova populacija najbrze raste, zbog kombinacije prirodnog prirastaja i imigracije. U Istocnoj Evropi populacija najbrze opada, zbog kombinacije negativnog prirodnog prirastaja i emigracije, Zapadna i Juzna Evropa negde su izmedju, sa negativnim ili nultim prirodnim prirastajem, koji imigracija vise nego nadomesta. Rezultat: tokom poslednih tridesetak godina, mi izgubili sedamsto hiljada stanovnika, Ukrajina 10 miliona, Francuska dobila 10 miliona, a Norveska i Svedska procentualno jos vise.

Filipenko wrote:

William Murderface wrote:Postoji srpsko izdanje.

https://www.nedeljnik.rs/lmd

Ziv nisam da uporedim ta dva lista koja pompezno nazivaju La Monde Diplomatique i izlaze u Nedeljniku sa originalom. Nesto mi govori da je tu sve izopaceno i da naravno lazu i edituju tekstove da se upodobe sa njihovom misijom salonskodesnicarenja na sitno. Zapravo, ne bi me cudilo ni da ne placaju licencu nego da je to neka fora.

KinderLad wrote:

Ointagru Unartan wrote:. Rezultat: tokom poslednih tridesetak godina, mi izgubili sedamsto hiljada stanovnika, Ukrajina 10 miliona, Francuska dobila 10 miliona, a Norveska i Svedska procentualno jos vise.

Jebote, jebote, je bo te

Ointagru Unartan wrote:

KinderLad wrote:Švedska je ogromna zemlja. I biće, tako izgleda, klimatski sve bolja za život. Imaju, koliko, 9-10 miliona. Nije sve to nikakav problem. Svima njima bi trebalo istočna Evropa da služi kao veliko upozorenje da se uvek može dogoditi ovo ili ono što dovodi do depopulacije. Samo što ćeš se teže depopuisati sa 30m nego sa 9m. Ono što bi trebalo možda da rade ako hoće da sačuvaju "lokalne zajednic" je da ne može svako da se naseli gde mu padne na pamet. Ali ne više od toga, imho.

Btw, u jednom od poslednjih le Monde Diplomatique (postoji li jos srpsko izdanje?) bio je zanimljiv dosije o demografskoj buducnosti Evrope.

Par crtica:

Svedska ima pozitivni prirodni prirastaj, nezavisno od migranata i njihove dece. Jedno od objasnjenja je da su se oni vise od ostalih primakli idealu jednakosti polova, sto znaci da u praksi Svedjankama odgajanje dece pored posla predstavlja manji teret nego ostalim Evropljankama. Isto vazi i za Norvesku. Njihova populacija najbrze raste, zbog kombinacije prirodnog prirastaja i imigracije. U Istocnoj Evropi populacija najbrze opada, zbog kombinacije negativnog prirodnog prirastaja i emigracije, Zapadna i Juzna Evropa negde su izmedju, sa negativnim ili nultim prirodnim prirastajem, koji imigracija vise nego nadomesta. Rezultat: tokom poslednih tridesetak godina, mi izgubili sedamsto hiljada stanovnika, Ukrajina 10 miliona, Francuska dobila 10 miliona, a Norveska i Svedska procentualno jos vise.