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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Sep 07, 2023 7:11 pm

    first can you comment on how common or unusual it would have been to find a pastry shop run by a person of Albanian origin in the towns and villages of socialist Yugoslavia?
    Rory Archer: I think it would have been very common. Judging from the sources, it’s kind of ubiquitous.

    Kec ko vrata za Rorija.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by паће Thu Sep 07, 2023 8:41 pm

    Најбољи бурек сам појео на станици у Љубљани.


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       И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:40 pm

    Ja najgoru picu u Veneciji.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by паће Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:03 am

    То, у Трсту.

    Тј није да је била најгора него подгревана већ сатима, то стоји у орману за подгревање, а од сервирања добијеш комад папира... јер овај није имао ни просторије, само некакву кабину где је једва могао да обиђе око тог ормана, и шубер кроз који је продавао. Бурек ти боље упакују.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Sep 21, 2023 2:07 am

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    Post by beatakeshi Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:27 am

    Čudna devojka :heart:
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    Post by паће Thu Sep 28, 2023 4:05 pm

    Пишући нешто о том времену, натрчим на линк: http://www.titoville.com/ - у имејлу из априла 2001. Још увек ради!


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    Post by boomer crook Fri Oct 06, 2023 11:45 pm

    jovic 12.10 o vladajucoj levici u yu

    https://idn.org.rs/sr_lat/blog/2023/10/06/regionalna-cajanka-dejan-jovic-o-nasledju-jugoslovenske-levice-1945-1991/?fbclid=IwAR0CdKosXva6kVI9xGF0W3xu1EK8LXnD3Uf4442symccAbcyX3rA3gBnpAs


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    Post by Del Cap Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:26 am

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    Post by Del Cap Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:17 am

    From a Reporter's Notebook
    By Christopher Bir

    Problems of Communism, Jul-Aug-Sep-Oct 1969

    Mr. Bird is a free-lance writer who recently spent a year in Yugoslavia as a correspondent for Time
    magazine (New York). He has previously contributed to this journal.


    Spoiler:
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:30 am

    Hvala ti puno za ovaj clanak, ovo sjajno objasnjava situaciju u Jugoslaviji krajem sezdesetih. Ove dve opaske mnogo govore:

    While the project may appear illogical from the all-Yugoslav viewpoint, no one can deny that the Macedonians have created skills and jobs where none existed before.”
    Ovakvih projekata koji su u startu imali dubioznu ekonomsku racunicu je bilo dosta u SFRJ (fabrika aluminijuma u CG, fabrika glinice u Obrovcu). Medjutim imale su politicki znacaj, kao sto autor i primecuje. I to je tako funkcionisalo dok nije doslo vreme da se vracaju pare MMF, i onda je djavo dosao po svoje. 

    A ovo nam je jako poznato, jer to isto radi i Vucic vec 10 godina:
    Tito has been adept at fostering the impression that threats nonetheless lurked everywhere, warning his countrymen at one time or another about the dangers posed by Italian army maneuvers in Venetia, by the new junta of colonel-dictators in Greece, by the Bulgarians casting covetous eyes on Macedonia, by the CIA, by the presence of the US fleet in the Mediterranean, and so forth. It seems obvious he felt it was better to keep popular attention riveted on outside enemies and what they might be doing, than to have various Slavs striving to best their neighbors.

    I tada, kao i sada, smo imali apoliticnu masu koja se brinula samo o svom dupetu:

    As for the man on the street, it was my impression that he was largely apathetic about both politics and ideology, contemptuous of politicians, and interested primarily in his own material advancement.

    I posle me pitate zasto #fuckSlovenia. Ovo se dogadja krajem sezdesetih:

    These esoteric variations among students are paralleled by a pride in language differences that extends down to the least educated, barely literate element of the populace—a factor that seriously impedes unity within the country. A Slovenian highway patrolman who stops a foreign car for a traffic violation will open with the query (in his own language), “Do you speak Slovenian?”—as unlikely a probability as if Basque had been in question—and only then try another language, usually German rather than Serbo-Croatian. As we drove into town, we stopped to ask a uniformed policeman the way to the city hall. The cop, somewhat harassed by his duties as a traffic director (one in seven people owns a car in Slovenia today) yelled the way at us, adding rudely in his native language: “And why the hell don't you talk Slovenian?”


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:06 am

    kakav jezik boktemazo, ko da citam nesto iz 1930tih...
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:45 am

    Mene zabole glava citajuci ono, ali srecom tu je Del Capo da podvuce.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:03 am

    pa ovo je sjajno. 

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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:53 am


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:02 am

    two morning dailies in Belgrade, Borba and Polityka, whose columns are translated into English by nightfall by a joint British-American committee for the use of the diplomatic corps. Reading this press was one of the least satisfying experiences this writer has had since becoming literate

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:12 am

    When one lives in Belgrade one is in Serbia, not Yugoslavia. Try to cover a story on art, books, cinema, education, religion, press, theater, behavior, or whatever, and you find you get a Serbian view of the Serbian side of the issue. Serbian actors on these many stages often do not know, and more often do not care to know, what is going on in Ljubljana, Skopje or Zagreb. And the reverse holds as well.

    zapravo je tragedija sto je ovo bilo manje istina 80tih nego 60tih
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:15 am

    ali, ovo je kljuc imho

    At present pragmatism is to the fore, and progress reports on the reform are encouraging. Following a period of slowdown, the economy took a new upturn in mid-1968, when the government adopted a policy of reflation. The year 1968 as a whole registered an advance over 1967 of 6.5 percent in industrial production and 4 percent in overall growth. A good part of this gain was attributable to increased productivity, since employment in the same period rose only 1 percent (nevertheless reversing a two-year decline). Exports leaped forward 13 percent, for the most part in a westerly direction, indicating that the economists who bet on the ability of Yugoslav enterprises to compete, once they were under pressure to do so, may well win their wager.

    e, ali vraga. bolje da se vratimo ekonomskom i nacionalnom populizmu.
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    Post by disident Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:17 am

    Nektivni Ugnelj wrote:ali, ovo je kljuc imho

    At present pragmatism is to the fore, and progress reports on the reform are encouraging. Following a period of slowdown, the economy took a new upturn in mid-1968, when the government adopted a policy of reflation. The year 1968 as a whole registered an advance over 1967 of 6.5 percent in industrial production and 4 percent in overall growth. A good part of this gain was attributable to increased productivity, since employment in the same period rose only 1 percent (nevertheless reversing a two-year decline). Exports leaped forward 13 percent, for the most part in a westerly direction, indicating that the economists who bet on the ability of Yugoslav enterprises to compete, once they were under pressure to do so, may well win their wager.

    e, ali vraga. bolje da se vratimo ekonomskom i nacionalnom populizmu.
    Kako su povecali produktivnost, fiskalnom politikom ili promenama u funkcionisanju fabrika, tj prepustanju vece kontrole direktorima naspram partijskih rukovodilaca iil nesto trece?


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    Pristalica krvne osvete
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:23 am

    ovo poslednje da (mada vise neformalno), a ovo pre toga sto si pitao bolje Del Cap da odgovori. Imalo je uticaja i pocetak masovnih odlazaka na "privremeni rad" u inostranstvu (manji pritisak za zaposljavanjem) sigurno.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:36 am

    ma to je nemoguće uhvatiti na makro nivou. naravno da je "uvek" bilo rasta produktivnosti jer se, prvo, ubacuje nova tehnologija kroz vreme, ali opet brojke mogu da varaju. npr 80ih je statistički bio pad produktivnosti, što je bilo suštinski netačno ali statistički "uhvaćeno" zbog rasta nezaposlenosti, odsustva s posla itd. ne obazirite se na makro podatke na nekom malom uzorku.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:42 am

    tih godina su u privredu umesto "kadra" poceli da ulaze i ljudi koji su skolovani na konacno necemu sto je licilo na ljudske fakultete
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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:20 pm

    Koliko sam upoznat, ta čeličana u Makedoniji radi. Firma u kojoj sam do skoro radio kupuje čelik od njih.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:57 pm

    Nektivni Ugnelj wrote:ali, ovo je kljuc imho

    At present pragmatism is to the fore, and progress reports on the reform are encouraging. Following a period of slowdown, the economy took a new upturn in mid-1968, when the government adopted a policy of reflation. The year 1968 as a whole registered an advance over 1967 of 6.5 percent in industrial production and 4 percent in overall growth. A good part of this gain was attributable to increased productivity, since employment in the same period rose only 1 percent (nevertheless reversing a two-year decline). Exports leaped forward 13 percent, for the most part in a westerly direction, indicating that the economists who bet on the ability of Yugoslav enterprises to compete, once they were under pressure to do so, may well win their wager.

    e, ali vraga. bolje da se vratimo ekonomskom i nacionalnom populizmu.
    E ali smo zato dobili nekoliko godina kasnije Zakon o udruzenom radu. Koja je bila motivacija toga? Da se spreci korupcija medju direktorima?


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”

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