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    Filipenko

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    Post by Filipenko Tue Jul 12, 2022 5:52 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:stan u MNE.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:14 pm

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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Notxor Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:14 pm

    Renoviraćeš stan kad nađeš majstore, tj. nikad.


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    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:51 pm

    Ima tu istine, Agrum u Igalu izgoreo zimus, i eto ispred prodavnice još stoji gomila peska, još uvek nisu počeli da rade.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:22 pm

    Nato and EU sound alarm over risk of Ukraine weapons smuggling | Financial Times (ft.com)

    Nato and EU sound alarm over risk of Ukraine weapons smuggling
    Countries call for greater tracking of arms to stop sales to Europe’s black market


    Nato and EU states are pushing for better tracking of weapons supplied to Ukraine in response to fears that criminal groups are smuggling them out of the country and on to Europe’s black market.


    Since Russia launched its war against Ukraine, western states have pledged more than $10bn in military support, from portable rocket launchers and armoured vehicles to rifles and vast amounts of ammunition.

    A number of Nato member states are discussing with Kyiv some form of tracking system or detailed inventory lists for weapons supplied to Ukraine, two western officials briefed on the talks told the Financial Times.

    Ukraine’s government is setting up a more extensive weapons monitoring and tracing system with the help of western countries, a third person familiar with the situation said.

    “All these weapons land in southern Poland, get shipped to the border and then are just divided up into vehicles to cross: trucks, vans, sometimes private cars,” said one of the western officials. “And from that moment we go blank on their location and we have no idea where they go, where they are used or even if they stay in the country.”

    The potential for US weapons sent to Ukraine to fall into the wrong hands is “among a host of considerations” given the “challenging situation” on the ground in the country, said Bonnie Denise Jenkins, US under secretary for arms control and international security, on Tuesday.

    “The US very seriously takes our responsibility to protect American origin defence technologies and prevent their diversion or illicit proliferation,” Jenkins told reporters in Brussels, adding that the US was in “continued contact” with Kyiv on the issue.

    “We are confident in the Ukrainian government’s commitment to appropriately safeguard and account for US [weapons],” Jenkins added.

    Yuriy Sak, an adviser to Ukraine’s defence minister, said: “Any movement of weaponry either into Ukraine or out of Ukraine — when such movement is required for repairs when necessary — is very closely monitored and supervised both by Ukraine and our international partners.”

    The issue of arms trafficking from Ukraine was discussed at a meeting of EU interior ministers this week, while on Monday the European Commission launched an “EU Support Hub” in neighbouring Moldova to provide expertise and co-operation to combat issues such as weapons smuggling.

    “It’s hard to avoid trafficking or smuggling — we didn’t achieve it in former Yugoslavia and probably won’t avoid it in Ukraine,” Jana Černochová, the Czech defence minister, told reporters in Prague on Friday. She said she trusted that donor countries were taking all necessary steps to track weaponry but warned that it would not be possible to follow every item.

    Europol, the EU’s law enforcement agency, said in April that its investigations indicated that weapons trafficking from Ukraine into the bloc to supply organised crime groups had begun and was a potential threat to EU security.

    “The Russian war of aggression against Ukraine has resulted in the proliferation of a significant number of firearms and explosives in the country,” Europol said in a briefing note sent to governments.

    “Initially, Ukrainian officials maintained registers of firearms handed out to civilians, but this practice was abandoned as the war progressed and firearms have been distributed without records since then,” it said, calling for “a register of weapons and other military materials transferred from the EU to Ukraine” to help law enforcement agencies track them.

    “Information that Ukraine is becoming a major hub for arms smuggling does not correspond to reality,” said Sak, suggesting that those claiming such “could be part of Russia’s information war to discourage international partners from providing Ukraine with weaponry that is necessary for our victory”.
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    Post by MNE Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:26 pm

    "war of aggression"

    ne nego war u kome će da im bacaju cvijeće
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:45 pm

    Ne, nego postoji i odbrambeni rat.
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    Post by kondo Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:07 am

    Mór Thököly wrote:Ne, nego postoji i odbrambeni rat.


    jok.


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Jul 13, 2022 11:39 pm

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    Post by Thomas Sankara Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:38 am

    Najbolje da se Ukrajina preda, ustupi pola zemlje fasistima koji kamen na kamenu nece ostaviti samo da nam se Volodja ne sekira
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    Post by Thomas Sankara Thu Jul 14, 2022 2:39 am

    E ali saosecamo jako, jadan taj narod tamo
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    Post by Filipenko Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:11 am

    Stoltenberg upozorio evropski parlament da bi Putinova pobeda znacila da veliki mogu da naredjuju malima sta da rade i naredio preporucio im da finansiraju Ukrajinu.
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    Post by паће Thu Jul 14, 2022 9:21 am

    Пробудите ме кад ЕУ каже историјско НЕ северноамеричкој федерацији.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:02 am

    Taman da kažu to istorijsko ne pa da se grejemo ko ljudi na zimu. Ukrajinu ko jebe, ionako ne planiramo da živimo u Ukrajini.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Notxor Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:56 am

    The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and the arms industry that depends on it for billions in profits, has become the most aggressive and dangerous military alliance on the planet. Created in 1949 to thwart Soviet expansion into Eastern and Central Europe, it has evolved into a global war machine in Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, Africa and Asia.

    NATO expanded its footprint, violating promises to Moscow, once the Cold War ended, to incorporate 14 countries in Eastern and Central Europe into the alliance. It will soon add Finland and Sweden. It bombed Bosnia, Serbia and Kosovo. It launched wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, resulting in close to a million deaths and some 38 million people driven from their homes. It is building a military footprint in Africa and Asia. It invited Australia, Japan, New Zealand and South Korea, the so-called "Asia Pacific Four," to its recent summit in Madrid at the end of June. It has expanded its reach into the Southern Hemisphere, signing a military training partnership agreement with Colombia, in December 2021. It has backed Turkey, with NATO's second largest military, which has illegally invaded and occupied parts of Syria as well as Iraq. Turkish-backed militias are engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds and other inhabitants of north and east Syria. The Turkish military has been accused of war crimes — including multiple airstrikes against a refugee camp and chemical weapons use — in northern Iraq. In exchange for President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's permission for Finland and Sweden to join the alliance, the two Nordic countries have agreed to expand their domestic terror laws making it easier to crack down on Kurdish and other activists, lift their restrictions on selling arms to Turkey and deny support to the Kurdish-led movement for democratic autonomy in Syria.

    https://www.salon.com/2022/07/12/natos-endless-expansion-threatens-endless--and-potential-nuclear-holocaust/


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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:00 am

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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:05 am

    novi regionalni list za lepšu i bolju budućnost

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    Post by boomer crook Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:35 am

    Notxor wrote:The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), and the arms industry that depends on it for billions in profits, has become the most aggressive and dangerous military alliance on the planet. Created in 1949 to thwart Soviet expansion into Eastern and Central Europe, it has evolved into a global war machine in Europe, the Middle East, Latin America, Africa and Asia.

    NATO expanded its footprint, violating promises to Moscow, once the Cold War ended, to incorporate 14 countries in Eastern and Central Europe into the alliance. It will soon add Finland and Sweden. It bombed Bosnia, Serbia and Kosovo. It launched wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, resulting in close to a million deaths and some 38 million people driven from their homes. It is building a military footprint in Africa and Asia. It invited Australia, Japan, New Zealand and South Korea, the so-called "Asia Pacific Four," to its recent summit in Madrid at the end of June. It has expanded its reach into the Southern Hemisphere, signing a military training partnership agreement with Colombia, in December 2021. It has backed Turkey, with NATO's second largest military, which has illegally invaded and occupied parts of Syria as well as Iraq. Turkish-backed militias are engaged in the ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds and other inhabitants of north and east Syria. The Turkish military has been accused of war crimes — including multiple airstrikes against a refugee camp and chemical weapons use — in northern Iraq. In exchange for President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's permission for Finland and Sweden to join the alliance, the two Nordic countries have agreed to expand their domestic terror laws making it easier to crack down on Kurdish and other activists, lift their restrictions on selling arms to Turkey and deny support to the Kurdish-led movement for democratic autonomy in Syria.

    https://www.salon.com/2022/07/12/natos-endless-expansion-threatens-endless--and-potential-nuclear-holocaust/

    ne zeleci zaista da branim NATO ali kako je ta organizacija "launched a war" u siriji? takodje ispada da je bombardovala kosovo i bosnu protivu njenih gradjana a tamo im ono dizu spomenik.


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    Post by MNE Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:43 am

    tako što je "spontano" finansirala arapsko proljeće i "spontano" im dostavljala oružje iz Iraka itd.
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    Post by Sotir Thu Jul 14, 2022 11:46 am

    Добра ти је логика, ако нађеш неког да ти подигне споменик онда то није агресија.
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:26 pm

    Sotir wrote:Добра ти је логика, ако нађеш неког да ти подигне споменик онда то није агресија.

    pa nije ako te drzava (bosna) pozove da to uradis. za kosovo jeste agresija ali je takodje intervencija u gradjanski rat.

    a ovo o tome da je NATO pokrenuo arapsko prolece je vec ono za marica.


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    Post by boomer crook Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:26 pm

    mislim ovo je cvorovicevska fantazija o svemoci NATO-a


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    Post by boomer crook Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:27 pm

    sto se tice sirije svako ko obozava asada zasluzuje da do kraja zivota radi u madoni kao konobar.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Jul 14, 2022 12:31 pm

    a svako ko misli da je 2014. godine u ukrajini bio drzavni udar koji su sproveli fasisti pravac pred RIK da podrzi odrzavanje drugog kruga izbora ali ne u velikom trnovu vec na teritoriji SRJ 2000. godine.


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