Rat u Ukrajini
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Stoti dan rata.
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evo još jedan felou koristi priliku da se proslavi, kanselovao rusiju samo tako
Very limited ambition and creativity with regards to Russia's future. Why do we need a Russia? What value did it ever add? Time to push for a final break up so Europe can finally become secure.
— Anders Östlund (@andersostlund) June 1, 2022
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Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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Okačio sam već na Rusija ptf - komentari su odlični koliko i prvi post.
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Kasno se Andes sjetio, Rusija je opet bila brža, spretnija i jača od zapada pa je ona već kenselovala njih. Evo i potvrde o tome sa jako bitnog mjesta:
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Aleksandar Zaldastanov poznatiji kao Hirurg vođa "Noćnih vukova" rekao je za RIA Novosti da su svi mostovi između Ruske Federacije i zapadne civilizacije spaljeni, da Rusija ići svojim putem do kraja i pobijediti.
"Sada smo toliko daleko da Rusiju praktično ništa ne povezuje sa zapadnom civilizacijom – svi mostovi su spaljeni", rekao je vođa sveruskog motociklističkog kluba "Noćni vukovi",
Od kada je zapadna civilizacija objavila dehrišćanizaciju, koja je sada u punom jeku i pada u satanizam, kada progone našu pobjedu u svetom ratu to je Hristova, božanska pobjeda. Kada su ovi mostovi spaljeni mi praktično nemamo ništa zajedničko“, naglasio je on za kremaljski medij.
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Ukraine is desperate for peace, but we won’t sign up to a bogus Russian deal | Andriy Zagorodnyuk
Andriy Zagorodnyuk
5-7 minutes
We Ukrainians want peace more than anyone in the world. For about 100 days, we have been fighting Russian forces on the ground, in the sky, on the sea, and in cyber and information spaces. Defence experts originally gave us little hope of success. They changed their position when we showed our ability to resist. Now we need to demonstrate the strength to hold our course and resist the temptations of a false resolution.
In this existential battle for our future, ostensibly friendly or consoling pundits and politicians persistently suggest we should surrender to achieve peace more quickly. Of course, we do not want a war to take longer than necessary, but we will not get trapped into a bogus deal which will only make things worse.
Among those who advised a quick fix was the former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, who suggested we should cede territory in exchange for ending the war. His intervention was appalling and, for a well-known strategic thinker, he was amazingly non-strategic. Conceding territory will not end the war. It will reinforce it. Russia has not abandoned its primary objective of getting rid of Ukraine, wiping us off the map. Any concessions would reward and legitimise its strategy. Far from stopping Russia’s pursuit of its broader military goals, it would feel emboldened.
Responding to force with territorial concessions would also have tragic global consequences. It would open the door to similar cases around the world. We do not want to live in a world where brute force decides which country we live in and which regime we belong to. We do not want to live in a world where only large countries can be truly sovereign.
Receiving that suggestion from a renowned expert was very surprising. However, the idea was immediately picked up by the Russians, who cynically blamed Ukraine for a desire to continue an unnecessary war. Some media commentators also started to debate the need for a compromise to secure peace. This is manipulative and wrong.
Imagine the harrowing scenario of your home being invaded by a street gang which then occupied part of your house. What peaceful compromise is possible? None. You would expect the police to deal with it. Suggesting that compromising with a criminal act leads to peace is ridiculous. It is similarly absurd in the case of the Russian invasion.
Many armed conflicts do end with a compromise, but it would be illogical to assume all of them should. The only reason for this invasion was Putin’s obsession with subjugating Ukraine. What compromise is possible when your adversary’s goal is that you should not exist? The unspeakably brutal way in which Russians treat our occupied towns and villages is known throughout the world. True peace can only be secured when the invader leaves our country.
As the old saying has it, the night is darkest just before the dawn. Russia is now applying maximum available force, but the evidence of 1960s tanks being dusted off for battle, use of conscripts and the patching up of new military units without collective training demonstrate that it has exhausted its options. That is why Russia is pushing the idea of a compromise. It needs a pause to show gains to the Russian public and to give itself time to recover before moving on further with its attempt to subjugate Ukraine.
Ukraine’s forces are more efficient than Russia’s. With more equipment and ammunition, pushing Russia back and out of the country is a realistic prospect. The flow of western help is only beginning and will increase. Putin’s desperate attempts to intercept the supplies from the west by bombing rail lines and fuel depots are strikingly similar to Hitler’s attempts to attack allied convoys in the Atlantic. But they are failing to affect the overall situation, and equipment is successfully getting to the frontline. US weapons from the unprecedented $40bn aid package, which we expect will include much-needed multiple rocket launch systems, will start arriving soon.
The free world has decided to stop accepting Russia’s bullying behaviour, but it must be consistent in its application of that approach. For many years, western leaders tolerated Russian aggression: invading Georgia; invading Ukraine; occupying Crimea; occupying the Black Sea; carrying out targeted assassinations in the UK; carrying out cyber-attacks; allegedly meddling with elections; abusing human rights. Every time it was said: “It is Russia. It has always been like that.”
It is time to stop accepting such injustices. How often have people been told to tolerate something because “it has always been like this”? Racial discrimination, sexual abuse, domestic violence, corruption, social inequality and organised crime have been endemic in societies. The only time things have changed is when people have challenged the old ways and refused to accept them any more.
We cannot allow past approaches to dominate the way we live now. Kissinger may have played a significant role in creating the world as it was – a less than perfect world, I must say. But no longer we will accept an unjust and unfair past defining our future.
Andriy Zagorodnyuk is a chairman of the Centre for Defence Strategies, and a former Ukrainian defence minister
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"Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."
Dragoslav Bokan, Novi putevi oftalmologije
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Ma lazna dilema. Napali su ih 2014, kao reakciju smo imali appeasement i evo gde smo sad. Posle jos jednog appeasementa za 10tak godina sledi isto, ako ne i pre.
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" svi mostovi su spaljeni", rekao je vođa sveruskog motociklističkog kluba "Noćni vukovi","
sad će da voze Urala umjesto Harlija jbg jer djelova biti neće
sad će da voze Urala umjesto Harlija jbg jer djelova biti neće
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Narucivace delove preko Ali Ekspresa.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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da samo što kineski ksenoni crkavaju nakon 3 dana pa će biti dnevni vukovi umjesto noćni
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Naručivaće preko dark weba, isto kao acid.
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Sweet and Tender Hooligan
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Zašto uopšte voze HD? Malo je šta američkije i zapadnjačkije od Harlija i bajkerstva generalno? Đe je Ural ili bar MZ i JAWA?
Zadnjih desetak postova je za Salo i Sahar topik.
Zadnjih desetak postova je za Salo i Sahar topik.
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Java je motor kakvi harliji [starac focho]
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Motor od dizel golfa ubačen u Dnepr ram, tako nekako.
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Sweet and Tender Hooligan
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Polovinom sedamdesetih naša murija je maasovno rasprodavala jave prelazeći na bembare. Tako se narod motorizovao i ostale su u slatkoj uspomeni
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https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/1532727019179589633
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Kadirov se sastao sa Sojguom i sada nesto kenja kako su dogovorili novu taktiku koja ce znacajno ubrzati Veliku Otadzbinsku Specijalnu Operaciju. Sta mu to znaci pojma nemam, ali ako se izuzmu pompezna i teatralna obracanja zapadu i bliskom istoku, obicno kada kaze nesto o samom ratu tu ne kenja previse.
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Priča se priča, Poljaci dolaze.
Tzv. Strelkov tvrdi da su u strani legionari koji su pristigli u Sjeverodonjeck i pokrenuli kontranapad (za sad uspješan ali još uvijek neće da iznosi detalje) uglavnom Poljaci, iako pred kamerama pričaju na engleskom.
Meni nešto nije teško da mu povjerujem o ovo.
Tzv. Strelkov tvrdi da su u strani legionari koji su pristigli u Sjeverodonjeck i pokrenuli kontranapad (za sad uspješan ali još uvijek neće da iznosi detalje) uglavnom Poljaci, iako pred kamerama pričaju na engleskom.
Meni nešto nije teško da mu povjerujem o ovo.
Ово је Комсомолск на Амуру. Јуче су запалили одељење Националне гарде.
https://www.yapfiles.ru/show/2743008/a8bd8a05653cbabfc1a05a905af2a8fc.mp4.html
Човек је пришао згради са канистером. Према неким извештајима, успео је да уђе у предворје и тамо просуо гориво, по другима је једноставно ставио канистер на трем и запалио га. Касније је приведен 50-годишњи локални становник.
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Indian FM explains why India doesn't do sanctions on Russia -- "your problems aren't our problems." pic.twitter.com/x2mhdB7S4z
— Ignorance, the root and stem of all evil (@ivan_8848) June 4, 2022
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-must-not-be-humiliated-despite-putins-historic-mistake-macron-2022-06-04/French President Emmanuel Macron said it is vital that Russia is not humiliated so that when the fighting stops in Ukraine a diplomatic solution can be found, adding that he believed Paris would play a mediating role to end the conflict.
Macron has sought to maintain a dialogue with Russian President Vladimir Putin since Moscow's invasion of Ukraine in February. His stance has been repeatedly criticised by some eastern and Baltic partners in Europe, as they see it as undermining efforts to pressure Putin to the negotiating table.
"We must not humiliate Russia so that the day when the fighting stops we can build an exit ramp through diplomatic means," Macron said in an interview to regional newspapers published on Saturday. "I am convinced that it is France's role to be a mediating power."
Macron has spoken with Putin regularly since the invasion as part of efforts to achieve a ceasefire and begin a credible negotiation between Kyiv and Moscow.
"I think, and I told him, that he is making a historic and fundamental mistake for his people, for himself and for history," Macron said.
France has supported Ukraine militarily and financially, but until now Macron has not been to Kyiv to offer symbolic political support like other EU leaders, something Ukraine has wanted him to do. Macron said he had not ruled out going.
Paris sends offensive weapons including Caesar howitzer canon taken from French army stocks. Macron said he had asked weapons manufacturers to accelerate production.
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Calls to avoid humiliation of Russia can only humiliate France and every other country that would call for it. Because it is Russia that humiliates itself. We all better focus on how to put Russia in its place. This will bring peace and save lives.
— Dmytro Kuleba (@DmytroKuleba) June 4, 2022
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Iskreno, nije mi bas najjasnije sta tacnoznaci "ne poniziti Rusiju". Potpuno je sigurno da nece biti bilo cega slicnog Parizu/Versaju 1919/20. Jos manje Potsdamu. Da li je ponizenje vracanje na status quo ante?
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Naravno. Gde si bio nigde šta si radio ništa.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Pa dobro, ali to se objektivno ne moze nazvati ponizavajucim uslovima nekakvog zamisljenog mirovnog ugovora.
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Kakav mirovni ugovor? Kakav status quo?
Rusija ce biti pod sankcijama obrnuto proporcionalnim snazi svoje vojske sledecih nekoliko decenija da se sutra povuce sa teritorija tzv. Ukrajine. Nikakav mirovni ugovor nece biti potpisivan niti je to u planu, svi ce biti u fazonu da nemaju nista sa Rusijom i prepustice regulisanje odnosa sa njom "medjunarodnim organizacijama" odnosno de fakto SAD. Sto se duze bude tolerisalo postojanje eksperimentalnih zahvata zapada (kijevski ultranaci rezim, poljska intervencija pod maskom internacionalne legije, zajebancije sa isporukama oruzja) to ce prema Rusiji biti manje respekta, a zahtevi prema njoj veci i tezi.
Nece biti dobro.
Rusija ce biti pod sankcijama obrnuto proporcionalnim snazi svoje vojske sledecih nekoliko decenija da se sutra povuce sa teritorija tzv. Ukrajine. Nikakav mirovni ugovor nece biti potpisivan niti je to u planu, svi ce biti u fazonu da nemaju nista sa Rusijom i prepustice regulisanje odnosa sa njom "medjunarodnim organizacijama" odnosno de fakto SAD. Sto se duze bude tolerisalo postojanje eksperimentalnih zahvata zapada (kijevski ultranaci rezim, poljska intervencija pod maskom internacionalne legije, zajebancije sa isporukama oruzja) to ce prema Rusiji biti manje respekta, a zahtevi prema njoj veci i tezi.
Nece biti dobro.
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THE space age is upon us. Rockets are leaving our globe at
speeds unheard of only a few years ago, to orbit earth, moon, and
sun. People have visited the moon, we have sent space probes to
all but one of the planets, and words like "orbit" and "satellite" are
picked up by children in the nursery.