Ukrajina ne moze da vodi rat bez podrske zapada. To znaci da je na Ukrajinu relativno lako uticati kad se dodje do momenta za potpisivanje necega. Neuporedivo lakse nego na Moskvu. Kako primorati Moskvu da.ozbiljno pregovara - to je pravo pitanje. Tako da je ovo Kisindzerovo 1 klasicna zamena teza.
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Pa ja isto mislim da bi bila ludost krenuti na Krim, Donjeck ili Lugansk. Nine u tome vic. Vic je kako se stvar postavi.
Ukrajina ne moze da vodi rat bez podrske zapada. To znaci da je na Ukrajinu relativno lako uticati kad se dodje do momenta za potpisivanje necega. Neuporedivo lakse nego na Moskvu. Kako primorati Moskvu da.ozbiljno pregovara - to je pravo pitanje. Tako da je ovo Kisindzerovo 1 klasicna zamena teza.
Ukrajina ne moze da vodi rat bez podrske zapada. To znaci da je na Ukrajinu relativno lako uticati kad se dodje do momenta za potpisivanje necega. Neuporedivo lakse nego na Moskvu. Kako primorati Moskvu da.ozbiljno pregovara - to je pravo pitanje. Tako da je ovo Kisindzerovo 1 klasicna zamena teza.
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Del Cap wrote:Eighty-seven people were killed in a Russian air strike in the town of Desna last Tuesday, said President Zelensky, in what could be Ukraine's biggest military death toll in a single strike of the war so far.
On the day of the attack, a Russian military spokesman said high-precision, long-range missiles had hit Ukrainian reserves forces at a training centre near Desna, in the northern Ukrainian region of Chernihiv, and at one other site.
Zelensky did not specify if the casualties from the attack in Desna were military or civilian. There is a military barracks and training base near the town.
"Today we completed work at Desna. In Desna under the rubble there were 87 casualties. 87 corpses," said Zelensky in his address via videolink to business leaders at Davos.
87 mrtvih?
Gle, isto kao kad je NATO bombardovao Kosovare kod Koriše, s tim da je tamo toll bio veći jer nisu sve pobili (87) nego je bilo i ranjenih (60)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kori%C5%A1a_bombing
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Samo što je na Kosovu bio 100% civilni cilj, ali je NATO kao i uvek boleo kurac za civile.
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Da je Nato boleo kurac za civile...drugacije bi se u Srbiji pisalo...
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Подсетимо се да је НАТО гађао путнички воз вођеним ракетама, чисто цивилни циљ, а затим га и још пар пута оверио кад је стао.
А затим су у њиховој команди и ПРу заташкавали злочин, тако што су пуштали 10х убрзан снимак да би показали да су случајно погодили воз јер су гађали мост, и да нису имали времена да прекину, јер возови у Србији иду 400 на сат.
Такав ниво говнарлука ће тешко бити скоро превазиђен.
Да не буде изолован случај, тако су погодили и још неколико аутобуса.
А затим су у њиховој команди и ПРу заташкавали злочин, тако што су пуштали 10х убрзан снимак да би показали да су случајно погодили воз јер су гађали мост, и да нису имали времена да прекину, јер возови у Србији иду 400 на сат.
Такав ниво говнарлука ће тешко бити скоро превазиђен.
Да не буде изолован случај, тако су погодили и још неколико аутобуса.
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Ljudi, mi smo pobili 10 puta vise civila od Natoa tokom tog rata.
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CHISINAU -- Moldova's Prosecutor-General's Office says former President Igor Dodon's home is being searched by anti-corruption authorities, after which a determination will be made on whether to detain the 47-year-old politician.
Mariana Cherpec, a spokeswoman for the Prosecutor-General's Office, said that Dodon's house was being searched in his presence and clarified earlier reports that Dodon -- a pro-Russian politician who was president from 2016 to 2020 -- had been detained during the raid for 72 hours under suspicion of corruption, illicit enrichment, accepting political funding from a criminal organization, and treason.
But spokeswoman Cherpec clarified her comments in a statement for RFE/RL's Moldovan Service to say that the former head of state "is not currently detained."
"Once the search has been finalized, the prosecutors will decide whether he will be arrested," Cherpec said, adding that Dodon did not enjoy immunity from prosecution as a former head of state.
At a news conference, members of Dodon's Party of Socialists rejected the accusations against him, which they said were part of a "two-penny show" meant to distract the public's attention from poverty and social issues. They also called for public protests.
Dodon, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whom he visited frequently in Moscow, was defeated in November 2020 by Maia Sandu, a U.S.-educated politician who ran on a ticket of closer relations with the West.
In Moscow, the Kremlin voiced "concern" at the reports surrounding Dodon, with spokesman Dmitry Peskov calling on the Moldovan authorities to ensure his rights are respected.
Moldova, one of Europe's poorest countries, formally applied for European Union membership in March after Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.
Despite its lack of wealth and size, Moldova, which has a population of about 2.6 million people, has taken in more than 470,000 refugees from neighboring Ukraine.
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#Breaking #NewsMap
Massive Ukrainian withdrawal in Donbas continues.
Hours ago, the Ukrainian army surrendered the city of Svitlodarsk (formerly 12.000 inhabitants) to Russian invasion forces.
The settlement became undefendable after the Russian breakthrough south of Popasna. https://t.co/eD2eEnM8q1
Massive Ukrainian withdrawal in Donbas continues.
Hours ago, the Ukrainian army surrendered the city of Svitlodarsk (formerly 12.000 inhabitants) to Russian invasion forces.
The settlement became undefendable after the Russian breakthrough south of Popasna. https://t.co/eD2eEnM8q1
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UKRAINE: This map shows Russian progress around the city of Sievierodonetsk in eastern Ukraine since May 06. Maps provided by @Liveuamap. pic.twitter.com/do5nkJKUQp
— Conflict News (@Conflicts) May 24, 2022
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Spreman sam da žrtvujem Ukrajinu al da mi bude toplo zimus. Eto.
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Jeste, ali mi nismo bili demokratija a oni jesu. Kako sme demokratija da ubija civile? Jesu to te zapadne vrednosti kojima težimo? Licemerje takozvanog NATO nema granica.Mór Thököly wrote:Ljudi, mi smo pobili 10 puta vise civila od Natoa tokom tog rata.
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“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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vi ste bolesnici
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Ne daj bože da u Ukrajini pogine 200 hiljada civila kao u Iraku.
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A tek koliko je civila bilo kada je pala bomba na nebranjeni grad, Hirosimu?
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“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Tako je. Na žalost u to vreme nije bilo suda da obesi i otera u zatvor do kraja života ratne zločince.
Da nije smrtna kazna ukinuta i ubice 200 hiljada iračkih civila bi sigurno bile streljane, a ovako će do kraja života trunuti u zatvorima.
Sa druge strane, još je važnije što je zaplenjeno oružje za masovno uništenje.
Da nije smrtna kazna ukinuta i ubice 200 hiljada iračkih civila bi sigurno bile streljane, a ovako će do kraja života trunuti u zatvorima.
Sa druge strane, još je važnije što je zaplenjeno oružje za masovno uništenje.
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Lepe vesti u ovom moru ludila - Mariupolj luka je razminirana, izvoz psenice, zita, celika i uglja moze da krene.
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Da je pravde, odgovarali bi ne samo za Drezden, nego i za bombardovanje Beogrda za Vaskrs 1944. Jel si znao da tada stradalo 10 puta vise civila nego 6. aprila 1941?Notxor wrote:Tako je. Na žalost u to vreme nije bilo suda da obesi i otera u zatvor do kraja života ratne zločince.
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“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Zbog toga je i Ruzvelt obešen na samom kraju rata, ali Truman nije znao za 2 sakrivene atomske bombe inače bi upozorio Japance.
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A question like ‘Did US intelligence-sharing with Ukraine cross a line?’ forgets the fact that it was Russia that crossed the line – by invading Ukraine
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Pa brodove neće pustiti Erdogan, gospodar svijuh 4 strana svijeta.
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Их 10 пута.Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
Da je pravde, odgovarali bi ne samo za Drezden, nego i za bombardovanje Beogrda za Vaskrs 1944. Jel si znao da tada stradalo 10 puta vise civila nego 6. aprila 1941?
Страдало је 2.5 пута мање.
У Дрездену је погинуло нешто преко 25 хиљада људи. Доста мање него по Јапану. Немци су имали добру Luftshutz, која је доста лошије радила у окупираној Србији.
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У том случају би морало да погине најмање 300 хиљада војника, а и једних и других да буде рањено х3.Notxor wrote:Ne daj bože da u Ukrajini pogine 200 hiljada civila kao u Iraku.
То је, са оваквим стањем, јако тешко могуће да се деси. Чак и пола од тога је тешко, све и да ратују дуже од годину дана.
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Ma to dobri Vilmos odgovara mimom na mim umesto da pogleda kako mu plaža izgleda.
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- Bili smo svjedoci toga kako se Rusija svojim energentima koristila kao oružjem kojim je prijetila. I vidjeli smo posljedice. Na nesreću, sada vidimo kako se Rusija koristi zalihama hrane kao oružjem, poručila je predsjednica Europske komisije.
Događaji u Ukrajini bitno mijenjaju svjetsku gospodarsku koncepciju. Donedavna mantra o "slobodnoj trgovini" više nije tako važna, prema svemu sudeći ni profit nije više "sveta krava".
- Moramo priznati da naši ekonomski izbori utječu na našu sigurnost. Sloboda je važnija od slobodne trgovine, zaštita naših vrijednosti važnija je od profita, naglasio je glavni tajnik NATO-a Jens Stoltenberg.
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Pa zar je manja sramota ako je poginulo 4x manje nego sto sam rekao? Lera smo obesili za manje, zasto saveznicki general nije omastio konopac?Sotir wrote:Их 10 пута.Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
Da je pravde, odgovarali bi ne samo za Drezden, nego i za bombardovanje Beogrda za Vaskrs 1944. Jel si znao da tada stradalo 10 puta vise civila nego 6. aprila 1941?
Страдало је 2.5 пута мање.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”