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    Летећи Полип

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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri May 06, 2022 9:58 am

    And there are more than 7 million people like Kirill in the country, Putin’s middle and upper class. Six months before disaster struck one of them told me, “You and Navalny are tilting at windmills. We are the middle class, and everything suits us fine. Putin lets us earn money, and so what that there aren’t elections — you don’t make money off elections.” He had all the rest: children in private schools now and off to the best European universities later, holidays in Crimea and the Emirates three or four times a year, better restaurants than in Europe, clothing, luxury gated communities, etc. Who cares about elections when Chanel and Louis Vuitton make life worth living? Right?
    None of the people I spoke with could formulate the idea or ideology that was the basis of their loyalty. They are all just opportunists who regarded support for the regime as a form of capital investment. They viewed Putin's aggressive rhetoric toward the West as the correct strategy: if a competitor cannot be beaten in business, then he must be crushed, broken, and forced to surrender.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/05/a-heart-to-heart-with-russias-elites-a77587


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    Post by kondo Fri May 06, 2022 10:05 am

    pa da jedino što istu takvu klasu imaš i u ukrajini, pogledaj malo kola sa UA tablicama po beogradu. prosek nije ispod 50,000 EUR po vozilu, ekstremi idu do 200,000 (bentley, merc).

    nikad nisam uspeo da uspostavim razliku između rusa i ukrajinaca na koje sam nailazio, u ponašanju i navikama sve isto 200%. neću da kažem ista stoka ali jbga.


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    Post by MNE Fri May 06, 2022 10:17 am

    i ovamo ista stvar
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri May 06, 2022 10:43 am

    Ukrajinci su siromašniji
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    Post by Del Cap Fri May 06, 2022 10:52 am

    Russian war’s ‘Phase 2’: How Ukraine troops adapt, giving little ground
    May 4, 2022


    The Ukrainian artillery team was moving into position in the northern Donbas region, along the front line near Izium. The soldiers did not even have time to orient their guns before they were found by a Russian drone.

    The first Russian 152 mm shells – fired by howitzers more than 10 miles away – landed near the Ukrainian guns. As the artillery team ran for safety, its vehicle was hit and set on fire.

    The driver, badly wounded, veered straight into bushes as shells rained down. The survivors escaped on foot, across open fields.

    Roman, a young artilleryman with a short patchy beard, recalled the events from a darkened military hospital room in Kramatorsk, his eyes glazed and an intravenous drip in his left arm, as he recovered from blast concussion. He gave only his first name, in keeping with Ukrainian military rules for wounded soldiers.

    The biggest surprise for him? “That I am still alive here, after that shelling,” he says listlessly, closing his eyes and lying back on his bed.

    Roman’s story, recounted last Friday, is emblematic of the new focus, style, and demands of the war in Ukraine, in what Russia calls Phase 2 of its invasion.

    Since mid-April, Russia has re-concentrated on conquering the industrial heartland of the Donbas, made up of the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk, where Russian-backed separatists have fought Ukrainian forces for eight years.


    The new battlefield has required that Ukrainian forces demonstrate resolve, patience, and renewed confidence – the latter born of already defeating the Russian advance on the capital, Kyiv – as they seek to hold their ground despite Russia’s numerical superiority and overwhelming firepower.

    Russia has escalated its shelling in an apparent bid to advance on the eastern region both from the Izium axis in the north and up from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in the south. The pincers movement seeks to cut off some of Ukraine’s most battle-hardened forces – and perhaps enable Moscow to declare some gains before its annual May 9 Victory Day military parade at the Kremlin, which celebrates its defeat of German forces in World War II.

    Roman’s story of survival may be a surprise for Russia, too. Ukrainian forces have given up little ground despite the intensified bombardment along eastern Ukraine’s entire 300-mile front.

    In Roman’s unit the driver is dead, the commander is in intensive care, another artilleryman has shrapnel wounds, and the rest are concussed, like Roman.


    Yet he says that despite the “really incredible” numbers of Russian shells, “the enemy is stopped, and they cannot advance because we are defending ourselves; we are holding our lines.”

    Race against time

    In many ways, the fight for the Donbas is a race against time: Can entrenched Ukrainian forces withstand the unrelenting onslaught until enough extra American and European military hardware arrives to help thwart the Russian advance, and potentially mount a counterattack?

    Both sides have drawn lessons from Russia’s failed advance in late February on Kyiv, where a 40-mile-long convoy of Russian armor was smashed by stealthy Ukrainian anti-tank teams and precise artillery and drone strikes. That forced Russia to withdraw, and at least suspend its ambition to occupy all of Ukraine.

    By contrast, in the Donbas – where much of the fighting is in flat, open fields, unlike the forested ground around the capital – Russian troops have advanced incrementally, in smaller groups, and always after relentless bombardment.


    “Their artillery never, never stops,” says the deputy commander of Ukraine’s Donbas Battalion, a major who only gave the nickname Kot (Cat). He spoke in Sloviansk with a balaclava covering his face, as an air raid siren wailed across the city.

    “They are changing their strategy, but it is still what we would expect from Russia,” says Major Kot. There are no more long, vulnerable columns: “They are sending recon units, then shell with artillery, and then send tanks,” he says. “If those tanks are destroyed, they send more tanks.”

    Infantry hardly plays a role. “You see how many of them have died already, and they are not motivated,” says Major Kot. “Russia underestimated us; they don’t know how much we have been preparing.”

    Russia’s battlefield pressure may be improving Ukrainian capabilities.

    “Of course, shelling has intensified ... but the Ukrainian army is also getting more experienced; they know how to fight, how to protect our people, and are getting better at defending,” says Maj. Stepan Andriytsiv, director of a brigade medical unit with a Ph.D. in medical science, who is now at the Kramatorsk hospital.

    The Ukrainian military admits its recent losses in the east have been “significant,” but claims that Russian casualties have been “colossal.”

    Russian advances “slow and uneven”

    The United States assessed last week that Russian troops were making “slow and uneven” progress in the Donbas, often of no more than “several kilometers ... on any given day, just because they don’t want to run out too far ahead of their logistics and sustainment lines,” one senior U.S. official told journalists.

    But in its daily reports, the Institute for the Study of War noted that Russian forces made no confirmed ground attacks on Monday or Tuesday. It said a Ukrainian artillery strike April 30 on a Russian command headquarters near Izium has slowed the Russian push, and noted that, farther north, a Ukrainian counterattack Monday pushed Russian forces back 25 miles east of Kharkiv.

    President Joe Biden called last week for Congress to approve a further $33 billion in military aid to Ukraine, much of it for the kind of weaponry meant to defeat Russian artillery and rocket attacks. Among other contributions, Germany in recent days said it would also send seven of its top-line 155 mm howitzers, which have a range of 25 miles.

    “We really have a lack of heavy artillery,” says Ukrainian Sgt. Viktor Davydov, still wired and speaking quickly of Ukraine’s needs, after returning to the town of Druzhkivka from the front, where he says Russian artillery strikes continue “24/7.”


    “When Russia sends incoming 200 shells, we send back 10 shells,” says Sergeant Davydov, who wears sunglasses, a pistol on his thigh, and a skull shoulder patch in the blue and yellow colors of the Ukrainian flag.

    His job is to take freshly mobilized men to the front “to show them not to be afraid,” and to teach them “how to dig in and make very effective defensive positions” to compensate for the firepower imbalance with Russia.

    “I tell them that all they have to do is hold our line, and not retreat,” says Sergeant Davydov. The cost can be high. The sergeant recalls 10 recruits in late April being sent to him one night at 11 p.m. By 6 a.m. two were dead and three wounded by Russian artillery.

    At the Kramatorsk hospital, stretchers line the wall where wounded soldiers are brought from the front, and the facility generator and windows are sandbagged. Major Andriytsiv speaks during a pause in the arrival of casualties, as shells explode in the distance.

    Despite the surge in Russian attacks, the number of wounded rose just 10% from March to April, the doctor says.

    “Every day of us fighting and resisting Russian aggression makes the Ukrainian army and the Ukrainian nation stronger – every day,” he says.

    Russian military surprises

    But Russian forces have been learning, too, and the stories of wounded Ukrainian troops now often include a Russian military surprise.

    Tank driver Maksym, for example, sits quietly in a hospital bed, eyes vacant, his tank battalion tattoo on his arm, and the Russian tank ambush that left him concussed occupying his thoughts.


    His unit entered a small village, expecting two Russian tanks and an armored personnel carrier, but instead found 10 Russian vehicles.

    “We were ambushed. ... The Russians were ready,” recalls Maksym. When he first saw the Russians, they were less than 70 yards away. “For tanks, it’s very close,” he says. His tank took a direct hit, but was robust enough to escape and rescue another crew whose tank was wrecked.

    Also surprised was Serhii, a machine gunner in the Territorial Defense Forces. Both his legs are now in casts below the knee, after being peppered by shrapnel when his unit was struck by Russian artillery while trying to dig deeper trenches.

    “We were trying to make a better position,” says Serhii, who was a worker in a carbon fiber factory and also fought in the Donbas in 2015. Serhii was wounded by the first of three Russian shells, which landed without warning Friday. Another man was struck in the back. But the Ukrainian position remains.

    “I am not a military expert, but I think that our boys will hold the line,” he says.

    Many Ukrainians stationed at the front expect more will be achieved.

    “Everyone is in the mood to push the Russians all the way out,” says Oleksandr Tsunenko, a coal mine mechanic who has been home from the Donbas front just one day in the past 11 months.

    “Why are they shelling us with rockets and artillery, and not moving forward?” asks the soldier with a worn assault rifle and fingernails dirty from the front. “They know if they advance, they will be defeated – that’s why they are afraid.”

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2022/0504/Russian-war-s-Phase-2-How-Ukraine-troops-adapt-giving-little-ground
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    Post by Del Cap Fri May 06, 2022 2:18 pm

    Fwiw

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    Post by Filipenko Fri May 06, 2022 2:21 pm

    Izgleda da je potopljen Admiral Makarov, ali se ja ne brinem jer sam uveren da Putin zna. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 26 2304934895
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri May 06, 2022 2:28 pm

    Ako ovako nastave Nato podmornice u Crnim moru su totalno ugasile.
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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri May 06, 2022 2:44 pm

    To Amerikanci po svaku cenu spasavaju generala Milija od pada u ruske ruke.


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    Post by Del Cap Fri May 06, 2022 3:13 pm

    Generala Klutijea iz Azovstala....
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    Post by Notxor Fri May 06, 2022 3:17 pm

    Klutije je na VMA sa pilotima crncima.


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Fri May 06, 2022 3:37 pm

    Пресс-секретарь российского президента отказался комментировать распространяемую в ряде украинских СМИ информацию.

    Пресс-секретарь президента РФ Дмитрий Песков отказался комментировать распространяемую в ряде украинских СМИ информацию о якобы нанесенном ударе по российскому кораблю в Черном море, сообщает ТАСС. Он подчеркнул, что Кремль не располагает подобными данными.


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    Post by rumbeando Fri May 06, 2022 4:32 pm

    Rusi poslali nekog Putinovog saradnika u Herson da izjavi da će Rusija tamo biti za sva vremena.

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    Post by Del Cap Fri May 06, 2022 5:00 pm

    Gde je Paće kad je potreban?

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/03/ukrainian-man-stabbed-for-speaking-russian-in-brooklyn-bar-brawl/


    An enraged Ukrainian man stabbed a compatriot for speaking Russian at a Brooklyn bar in a booze-fueled spat that’s now being investigated as a hate crime, The Post has learned.
    ...
    “We switched to Ukrainian in order to calm him down but it was getting him more and more agitated and he started asking us to translate words to prove that we’re Ukrainian,” Meleshkov told The Post.
    ...
    Sulyma demanded Meleshkov and his friends say the word “Palianytsia” — a type of Ukrainian domed bread — that native Russian speakers have difficulty pronouncing because of its combination of vowels and consonants, according to prosecutors and Meleshkov.

    “If you get it wrong, I’ll have my way with you,” warned Sulyma, according to prosecutors.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri May 06, 2022 5:21 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Izgleda da je potopljen Admiral Makarov, ali se ja ne brinem jer sam uveren da Putin zna. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 26 2304934895


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by kapetanm Fri May 06, 2022 5:23 pm

    rumbeando wrote:Rusi poslali nekog Putinovog saradnika u Herson da izjavi da će Rusija tamo biti za sva vremena.

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    Post by Del Cap Fri May 06, 2022 5:31 pm

    The blockade of Ukraine’s Black Sea ports, along with infrastructure challenges, are preventing nearly 25 million tonnes of grain from being exported, a United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) official said Friday.

    "It's an almost a grotesque situation we see at the moment in Ukraine,” said Josef Schmidhuber, deputy director of FAO's markets and trade division, at a media briefing in Geneva. “There are nearly 25 million tonnes of grain that could be exported but that cannot leave the country simply because of the lack of infrastructure, the blockade of the ports.”

    Ukraine is one of the world's largest grain-producing countries.

    At the same time, in the months of July and August, the new crop will be coming in, Schmidhuber said, and "despite the war, harvest conditions don't look that dire."

    But, he continued, “that could really mean that there is not enough storage capacity going forward in Ukraine particularly if there is no ‘wheat corridor’ opening up for exports from Ukraine.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri May 06, 2022 6:01 pm

    kapetanm wrote:
    rumbeando wrote:Rusi poslali nekog Putinovog saradnika u Herson da izjavi da će Rusija tamo biti za sva vremena.

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    To nešto kao samojed?
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    Post by rumbeando Fri May 06, 2022 10:19 pm

    Kažu Ameri da nemaju nikakvu potvrdu da je pogođena fregata.

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    Post by kapetanm Fri May 06, 2022 11:01 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    kapetanm wrote:
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    To nešto kao samojed?
    Izgleda. Bio mi zabavan komentar na lika gore, ne nam duh jezika
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    Post by kondo Sat May 07, 2022 12:19 am

    pozdravljam blokadu crnomorskih luka sviju kojima pripadaju. danas sam bio na plaži red rock koja nadgleda deo egeja pred ulaz u dardaneli i dalje u mramorno more i bosfor. u ovo vreme prethodnih godina sam uglavnom slikao plasticnu ambalazu od turske egipatske ruske ukrajinske prehrane mornarice a ne retko i mrtve morske kornjače i delfine, ugušene plastikom. ovaj put - nista, nada, tipota. plaza cista ko upisana iako se efendija iste angelos jos nije umilostivio da izadje s metlom. a nema ni za sta ako cemo posteno, uredno je kao nikada... neka ostane blokada zemlja ce biti srecnija.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 07, 2022 12:21 am

    Jedino nece biti hleba za tipa pola Afrike
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    Post by kondo Sat May 07, 2022 12:27 am

    trenutno mi više prija čisto priobalje ovde gde sam. gladnu decu afrike će već nekako pomaziti deka bajden.


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