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    Post by rumbeando Sat May 07, 2022 12:41 am

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    Post by Filipenko Sat May 07, 2022 8:55 am

    To su kompaniije sa americkim kapitalom. Lenovo je prepakovani IBM, a Xiaomi je prosle godine, kada su Ameri hteli da zveknu sankcije i njima, objavio da su njegovi najveci akcionari zapravo tri americka investicionog fonda i svi problemi su nestali preko noci. Naravno, to je provuceno kao sudska zabrana uvodjenja sankcija, pred istim onim sudovima koji su rutinski odjebavali sve moguce i nemoguce tuzbe i podneske stranih kompanija.

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 07, 2022 9:03 am

    Predvidljiva ruka tržišta
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    Post by Del Cap Sat May 07, 2022 10:29 am

    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Kherson region will return the coat of arms of the times of the Russian Empire

    According to Kirill Stremousov, deputy chairman of the military-civil administration of the Kherson region, the region will return the coat of arms of the times of the Russian Empire.

    "It was decided to return the historical coat of arms to the Kherson region, the time when the region was part of the Russian Empire," Stremousov said in the official Telegram channel of the CAA.

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    Post by Guest Sat May 07, 2022 10:32 am

    Rusko carstvo, Lenjinove statue, zastave SSSR, vraćaj aaaaa sveee.
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    Post by Notxor Sat May 07, 2022 10:35 am

    Jedom rečju - Italija.


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    Post by Del Cap Sat May 07, 2022 11:42 am

    nije fregata

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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat May 07, 2022 12:45 pm

    Zadnjih četiri-pet dana Bajraktari svaki dan napadaju na Zmijsko ostrvo, izgleda da su našli stazu kojom mogu bezbijedno do njega i koriste tu priliku dok traje. Prvo su gađali zgradu za koju kažu da je komandni centar, onda neko vozilo (vjerovatno pvo sistem bilo je sekundarnih eksplozija) pod ceradom, juče su uništili pvo sistem Tor i jutros jedno plovilo i hangar u kom su takođe bila neka vozila. A ostrvo je veličine par fudbalskih terena.


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    Post by Filipenko Sat May 07, 2022 12:50 pm

    Cousin Billy wrote:Rusko carstvo, Lenjinove statue, zastave SSSR, vraćaj aaaaa sveee.

    I dalje je legitimnije i pozeljnije od statua Bandere ili Suskevica.

    Kad smo kod toga, bokser upozorava ljude da ce 9. maja biti pojacan nadzor ulica Kijeva i patroliranje vojske. Implicitno - nemoj da smo videli nekoga da slavi 9. maj u bilo kom obliku. Cisto da ukazem, to su ovi sto tvrdite da su isto ucestvovali u WW2, da su bili na pobednickoj strani, da imaju pravo da slave bas kao i Rusi itd.
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    Post by Guest Sat May 07, 2022 12:52 pm

    Da, izvesno je to razlog
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    Post by rumbeando Sat May 07, 2022 12:56 pm

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    Post by disident Sat May 07, 2022 2:04 pm

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    Post by Guest Sat May 07, 2022 3:08 pm

    Harkov počinje da izgleda kao novi Kijev. Ne znam gde su te konsolidovane i reorganizovane ruske jedinice, ali tamo, čini se, nisu.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 07, 2022 3:37 pm

    Pa nisu tamo, juznije su, prema Izjumu i dalje. Glavni cilj je Kramatorsk (bozemeprosti, isprva napisah Krematorsk...) i Slavjansk.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat May 07, 2022 4:23 pm

    Cousin Billy wrote:Harkov počinje da izgleda kao novi Kijev. Ne znam gde su te konsolidovane i reorganizovane ruske jedinice, ali tamo, čini se, nisu.


    Zelenski kao glavni uslov za nastavak pregovora traži povlačenje ruskih snaga na linije od prije 24. februara. Skromnije i realnije nego kad je tražio povlačenje i iz Donbasa i sa Krima.

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    Post by Del Cap Sat May 07, 2022 5:22 pm

    A. Tuz


    Lend-Lease & Escalation

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    As the best known history of Lend-Lease remarks: “The Lend-Lease Act marked the point of no return for American policy regarding Hitler’s Germany.” Lend Lease tied together the separate struggles in Europe and Asia to create by the end of 1941 what we properly call World War II.
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    It is striking - to say the least - that already in January 2022, before Putin’s invasion, the US Congress had taken up Lend-Lease as the historical inspiration for a legislative measure that frees the Biden administration’s hands in providing aid to Ukraine.

    The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act was unanimously approved by the Senate and passed by the House of Representatives by a vote of 417 to 10. Now, according to remarks made by press secretary Psaki, Biden may sign it into law on May 9th.

    Will a new Lend Lease Act be America’s answer to Putin’s “Victory day”?

    As well-informed defense journalists point out, the Lend Lease Act of 2022 adds very little to Biden’s already extensive powers to support to Ukraine. Far more consequential in that regard are the $33 billion in additional aid that Biden has requested. But that isn't the point of the Congressional measure

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    Symbolism aside, the scale of the aid now being envisioned by the Biden administration is unprecedented. As Ben Freeman and William Hartung point out at Responsible Statecraft

    if Congress signs off on this new request the U.S. will have authorized $47 billion in total spending to Ukraine. That’s more than the Biden administration is committing to stopping climate change and almost as much as the entire State Department budget.

    This is twice the maximum amount of money ever provided in a single year to the Afghan army (as opposed to money spent by the US in Afghanistan) and seven times the US military aid budget for Israel. The total request amounts to one third of Ukraine’s prewar GDP. As far as Ukraine is concerned, the US is bankrolling a total war effort and the US political class has with near unanimity declared that the appropriate historical analogy for this effort is 1941 - “All measures short of war”.
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    In openly declaring our intention to adopt all measures short of war to ensure Russia’s military defeat and in invoking Lend Lease in doing so, we must surely ask ourselves that question, what is our theory of Putin? And beyond Putin what is our model of the escalatory dynamics at work in 2022?

    In swathing ourselves in historic garments, are we inviting Putin to do the same? Are we inviting him to fully inhabit the role of the maniacal dictator who can only be crushed out of existence? Are we, as in 1941, crossing the point of no return? Are we, consciously or not, assuming further escalation?

    In so doing, are we assuming that escalation will have the same kind of “happy end” that World War II eventually had for the United States in 1945? The kind of “happy end” that makes Lend Lease into a myth shrouded in good feelings - a grand chapter. in the “American story”?

    Or, are we, in fact, hoping that 2022 unfolds as 1941 did not? That Putin is not suicidal? That this time the escalation remains confined to Ukraine and Russia? That this becomes, as some American strategists envisioned Lend Lease in 1941, a calculated exercise in using the dogged resistance of a client - then the British now Ukrainians - to attrit a geopolitical antagonist?

    These are not comfortable questions. So much so that merely raising them can lay you open to accusations of defeatism. But that is beside the point. Supplying weapons may well be the best thing to do under the circumstances. It is certainly what the Ukrainian government is asking for. But to weigh the consequences of our actions and the risks attendant on them, to assess the costs and who pays them is a basic imperative of responsible politics. In so doing we need a clear head and democracy demands that clarity is not just something that is achieved behind closed doors.

    Ukrainians at this moment may need history to give them courage. For us to revel in mythic references to the 1940s and “the American story” is a shameful, sentimental self-indulgence. If we are to evoke the past at all, let us do so in a critical and exploratory fashion, not to “prove” facile points one way or another, but to better understand how we arrived at this moment and to infer what its possibilities and risks might be.

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    Post by Notxor Sat May 07, 2022 6:58 pm

    Prije 15 minuta
    Ukrajina: Sva djeca, žene i starci evakuirani iz Azovstala
    Irina Vereščuk, zamjenica ukrajinskog premijera, na Telegramu je objavila da su sve žene, djeca i starci evakuirani iz čeličane Azovstal, posljednjem uporištu ukrajinskih branitelja u razorenom gradu Mariupolju.

    "Taj dio humanitarne operacije u Mariupolju je završen", napisala je.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat May 07, 2022 7:29 pm

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    Post by Sotir Sat May 07, 2022 8:24 pm

    Змијско острво постаде најбитнији део војишта...
    Руско МО је изјавило да су Украјинци покушали да изврше десант на острво, те да су им том приликом уништили неколико БПЛ, један ловац Су-27, бомбардер Су-24, 3 хеликоптера и један десантни чамац (могуће са све десантом унутра).

    Тако да су украјинске акције претходних дана према острву биле само припрема за већу операцију.
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    Post by Notxor Sat May 07, 2022 8:29 pm

    Ne kapiram ni Ruse ni Ukrajince. Jedina veća i manje pokretna meta od broda je ostrvo.
    Zgodno je i da se atomskom "pošalje poruka" kad pošte ne rade.


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    Post by Del Cap Sat May 07, 2022 10:46 pm

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    Post by rumbeando Sat May 07, 2022 11:05 pm

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    Post by Sotir Sat May 07, 2022 11:16 pm

    Del Cap wrote:
    Су-24, а не Су-27. Не би могао ловац тако прецизно да гађа.
    Мало је чудан снимак местимично. Највише што су гађали острво са мале висине, без успорења на упаљачима.
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    Post by Filipenko Sun May 08, 2022 12:24 am

    rumbeando wrote:


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