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    Post by Erős Pista Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 0:49

    Mislim da je ovo pre svega odmazda za to sto su ih napravili budalama pred celim svetom potapajuci Moskvu.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 0:52

    Vrv. Ali uskoro ce i na istoku poceti for real.
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    Post by plachkica Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 1:01

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    Post by Летећи Полип Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 1:03

    Neko je ljut zbog broda.


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    Post by MNE Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 7:45

    a i zbog Belgoroda/Brajanska

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    "Pa šta bi?"

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 8:13

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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by MNE Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 8:14

    da baš će to neko da stavi na oglas
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    Post by Del Cap Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 8:43

    МОСКВА, 14 апреля. /ТАСС/. Американская компания Monotype, владелец прав на шрифты Times New Roman, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica и Tahoma, сообщила о приостановке взаимодействия с российскими компаниями.

    Šta ovo znači u praksi?
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    Post by Guest Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 8:47

    Gotovo ništa. Neće moći da se iz Rusije pristupi njihovim datotekama. Ko od ranije ima legalan pristup Monotype fontovima, može da ih koristi i dalje.

    Vest zanimljivo zvuči ali nema tu ničega.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 8:50

    Pa to
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    Post by Del Cap Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 9:24

    Ukraine War Is Depleting America’s Arsenal of Democracy
    By Hal Brands | Bloomberg
    Yesterday at 5:47 p.m. EDT


    America is following an “arsenal of democracy” strategy in Ukraine: It has avoided direct intervention against the Russian invaders, while working with allies and partners to provide the Kyiv government with money and guns.

    That strategy, reminiscent of U.S. support for Britain in 1940-41, has worked wonders. Yet as the war reaches a critical stage, with the Russians preparing to consolidate their grip on eastern Ukraine, the arsenal of democracy is being depleted.

    That could cause a fatal shortfall for Ukrainian forces in this conflict, and it is revealing American weaknesses that could be laid bare in the next great-power fight.

    Of all the support the U.S. and its friends have provided Ukraine, arms have mattered the most. Deliveries of drones, antitank and anti-aircraft weapons, ammunition and other capabilities have helped Ukraine wreak havoc on Russian forces even as Moscow has pummeled the country’s industrial base.

    General Mark Milley, the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress that the West has delivered 60,000 antitank weapons and 25,000 anti-aircraft weapons to Kyiv. The Pentagon is now laying plans to rush additional artillery, coastal defense drones and other materiel to Ukraine. The White House on Wednesday announced a new $800 million package including helicopters and armored personnel carriers.

    But President Joe Biden never planned for a war like this. The assumption was that Russia would quickly conquer much of the country, so the U.S. would be supporting a simmering, low-intensity Ukrainian insurgency. Instead, Ukraine’s successful resistance has led to an ongoing, high-intensity conventional fight, with prodigious consumption of munitions and intense attrition of key military assets.

    Pentagon officials say that Kyiv is blowing through a week’s worth of deliveries of antitank munitions every day. It is also running short of usable aircraft as Russian airstrikes and combat losses take their toll. Ammunition has become scarce in Mariupol and other areas.  

    This is presenting Western countries with a stark choice between pouring more supplies into Ukraine or husbanding finite capabilities they may need for their own defense.

    Germany has declined to transfer tanks to Ukraine on grounds that it simply cannot spare them. Canada quickly ran short on rocket launchers and other equipment that the Ukrainians desperately need. The U.S. has provided one-third of its overall stockpile of Javelin anti-tank missiles. It cannot easily deliver more without leaving its own armories badly depleted — and it may take months or years to significantly ramp up production.

    Before the U.S. entered World War II, President Franklin Roosevelt and his military advisers engaged in intense debates about whether the U.S. should rush weapons to a beleaguered Britain or hang onto them in case America had to defend itself. Biden’s arsenal-of-democracy strategy is reaching a similar inflection point in Ukraine.

    Kyiv will require far more Western support to beat back Russian forces gathering in the east, where relatively open terrain is less favorable to the defense. It will also need more sophisticated weapons, such as tanks and aircraft, to deny Russia a decisive advantage — and perhaps take the offensive if Moscow’s eastern offensive falters. Stout Ukrainian resistance has given Kyiv a reasonable chance of winning this war, but the cost of any victory, in equipment no less than lives, will be astounding.

    For the same reason, the war in Ukraine is a sobering preview of the problems the U.S. itself would face in a conflict against Russia or China. If forced to go to war in Eastern Europe or the Western Pacific, Washington would spend down its stockpiles of missiles, precision-guided munitions and other critical capabilities in days or weeks. It would probably suffer severe losses of tanks, planes, ships and other assets that are sophisticated, costly and hard to replace.

    During World War I, the offensives of 1914 led to “shell famine” as the European combatants exhausted their arsenals. Get ready for “missile famine” if there is a great-power war.

    In the world wars of the last century, America’s unmatched manufacturing base ultimately powered it to victory. But today, replenishing the free world’s arsenal might not be so easy.

    American economic leadership is no longer based primarily on manufacturing. Shortages of machine tools, skilled labor and spare production capacity could slow a wartime rearmament effort. The U.S. can’t quickly scale up production of Stinger missiles for Ukraine, for example, because the workforce needed to do so no longer exists.

    American stockpiles of key weapons are smaller than one might imagine, partly because of production constraints and partly because most of the Pentagon’s roughly $750 billion budget goes to manpower, health care and things other than bullets and bombs. Don’t bet against the world’s leading economy — and all of its democratic allies — in a long war. But don’t think that America would effortlessly produce what it needs to win.

    The problem isn’t insoluble. Greater investments in the defense industrial base and more aggressive purchasing and stockpiling of key munitions can help. The creation of a reserve industrial corps (civilians who have basic peacetime training so they can contribute to wartime production) is worth exploring. Key allies, such as Japan, may be able to help the U.S. surge production in shipbuilding and other areas.

    Small wars typically preview what is to come in bigger wars. The Ukraine conflict is showing what it will take to keep the arsenal of democracy equal to the task.
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    Post by Notxor Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 9:25

    Sa spiska su Times i Helvetica klasici. Arial i Tahoma nikada nisu ništa valjali, a Verdana je među prvima napravljena za web, ali je u međuvremenu prevaziđena.
    Za Times i Helvetiku postoje i bolje i besplatne varijante koje prodaje i daje besplatno i ruski Paratype.ru
    Vest je ne-vest.


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    Post by MNE Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 9:31

    "Canada quickly ran short on rocket launchers and other equipment that the Ukrainians desperately need. The U.S. has provided one-third of its overall stockpile of Javelin anti-tank missiles. It cannot easily deliver more without leaving its own armories badly depleted — and it may take months or years to significantly ramp up production."

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    Post by kondo Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 9:31

    Čuj brte Ruse će da ojade za softver. Pa ovde ne treba ni Pink, mogu i ja.

    Samo da mi ne omlate rutrackere ali bolje da im to ne pričam.


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    Post by Sotir Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:07

    Ференц,
    У тексту није само демографија, наводе да имају потврђено из јавних извора нешто преко хиљаду погинулих у рату у Украјини, пар недеља пошто је руско МО објавило да имају 1500 погинулих.

    Јасно да нису пописали све, али питање је колико?
    Да ли је то преко 90% по украјинским наводима, или око 1/3 колико тврде Руси.
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    Post by Sotir Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:11

    Што се тиче потапања Москве, Руси су објавили само да је дошло до пожара и експлозије муниције. 
    Неки проруски налози спомињу да је могуће да је налетео на мину. 

    Верзија која се спомиње је комбиновано дејство са неколико БПЛ Барјактар, које су одвлачиле пажњу, и дејство са против бродским ракетама. Ако је било и више ракета, такав комбинован напад би могао да збуни ПВО брода. Ракете су старије генерације.

    Руси ће вероватно за коју недељу да саопште шта се десило.
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    Post by MNE Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:20

    opet Ukrajinci snimaju svakakve gluposti pa bi 99% snimili i ispaljivanje Neptuna

    vjerovatnije je da su dobili info od Amera da je Moskva u problemu (da li od mine ili samozapaljenje) pa su onda složili priču
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    Post by Guest Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:22

    Reci to ruskim medijima koji u talk show emisijama predlažu sravnjivanje Kijeva zbog samozapaljenja broda.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:28

    Del Cap wrote:
    Ukraine War Is Depleting America’s Arsenal of Democracy
    By Hal Brands | Bloomberg
    Yesterday at 5:47 p.m. EDT


    America is following an “arsenal of democracy” strategy in Ukraine: It has avoided direct intervention against the Russian invaders, while working with allies and partners to provide the Kyiv government with money and guns.

    That strategy, reminiscent of U.S. support for Britain in 1940-41, has worked wonders. Yet as the war reaches a critical stage, with the Russians preparing to consolidate their grip on eastern Ukraine, the arsenal of democracy is being depleted.

    That could cause a fatal shortfall for Ukrainian forces in this conflict, and it is revealing American weaknesses that could be laid bare in the next great-power fight.

    Of all the support the U.S. and its friends have provided Ukraine, arms have mattered the most. Deliveries of drones, antitank and anti-aircraft weapons, ammunition and other capabilities have helped Ukraine wreak havoc on Russian forces even as Moscow has pummeled the country’s industrial base.

    General Mark Milley, the chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told Congress that the West has delivered 60,000 antitank weapons and 25,000 anti-aircraft weapons to Kyiv. The Pentagon is now laying plans to rush additional artillery, coastal defense drones and other materiel to Ukraine. The White House on Wednesday announced a new $800 million package including helicopters and armored personnel carriers.

    But President Joe Biden never planned for a war like this. The assumption was that Russia would quickly conquer much of the country, so the U.S. would be supporting a simmering, low-intensity Ukrainian insurgency. Instead, Ukraine’s successful resistance has led to an ongoing, high-intensity conventional fight, with prodigious consumption of munitions and intense attrition of key military assets.

    Pentagon officials say that Kyiv is blowing through a week’s worth of deliveries of antitank munitions every day. It is also running short of usable aircraft as Russian airstrikes and combat losses take their toll. Ammunition has become scarce in Mariupol and other areas.  

    This is presenting Western countries with a stark choice between pouring more supplies into Ukraine or husbanding finite capabilities they may need for their own defense.

    Germany has declined to transfer tanks to Ukraine on grounds that it simply cannot spare them. Canada quickly ran short on rocket launchers and other equipment that the Ukrainians desperately need. The U.S. has provided one-third of its overall stockpile of Javelin anti-tank missiles. It cannot easily deliver more without leaving its own armories badly depleted — and it may take months or years to significantly ramp up production.

    Before the U.S. entered World War II, President Franklin Roosevelt and his military advisers engaged in intense debates about whether the U.S. should rush weapons to a beleaguered Britain or hang onto them in case America had to defend itself. Biden’s arsenal-of-democracy strategy is reaching a similar inflection point in Ukraine.

    Kyiv will require far more Western support to beat back Russian forces gathering in the east, where relatively open terrain is less favorable to the defense. It will also need more sophisticated weapons, such as tanks and aircraft, to deny Russia a decisive advantage — and perhaps take the offensive if Moscow’s eastern offensive falters. Stout Ukrainian resistance has given Kyiv a reasonable chance of winning this war, but the cost of any victory, in equipment no less than lives, will be astounding.

    For the same reason, the war in Ukraine is a sobering preview of the problems the U.S. itself would face in a conflict against Russia or China. If forced to go to war in Eastern Europe or the Western Pacific, Washington would spend down its stockpiles of missiles, precision-guided munitions and other critical capabilities in days or weeks. It would probably suffer severe losses of tanks, planes, ships and other assets that are sophisticated, costly and hard to replace.

    During World War I, the offensives of 1914 led to “shell famine” as the European combatants exhausted their arsenals. Get ready for “missile famine” if there is a great-power war.

    In the world wars of the last century, America’s unmatched manufacturing base ultimately powered it to victory. But today, replenishing the free world’s arsenal might not be so easy.

    American economic leadership is no longer based primarily on manufacturing. Shortages of machine tools, skilled labor and spare production capacity could slow a wartime rearmament effort. The U.S. can’t quickly scale up production of Stinger missiles for Ukraine, for example, because the workforce needed to do so no longer exists.

    American stockpiles of key weapons are smaller than one might imagine, partly because of production constraints and partly because most of the Pentagon’s roughly $750 billion budget goes to manpower, health care and things other than bullets and bombs. Don’t bet against the world’s leading economy — and all of its democratic allies — in a long war. But don’t think that America would effortlessly produce what it needs to win.

    The problem isn’t insoluble. Greater investments in the defense industrial base and more aggressive purchasing and stockpiling of key munitions can help. The creation of a reserve industrial corps (civilians who have basic peacetime training so they can contribute to wartime production) is worth exploring. Key allies, such as Japan, may be able to help the U.S. surge production in shipbuilding and other areas.

    Small wars typically preview what is to come in bigger wars. The Ukraine conflict is showing what it will take to keep the arsenal of democracy equal to the task.

    Kakav raj za vojnu industriju

    60 hiljada komada antioklopnog  naoruzanja...
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:31

    Sto se tice spremnosti za nove ratove...ne znam. Kada.je Rusija u pitanju - pa ovo je taj rat, iz njega ce i ruske snage izaci prilicno ispraznjene, kako god da se zavrsi. Kina - americki rat, eventualni, sa Kinom tesko da ce biti vodjen na kopnu, a usvakom slucaju nece inicijalno biti vodjen na kopnu

    Koliko su se Rusi (srecom) obrukali kad je i americka bazicna pretpostavka na.osnovu koje su gradili strategiju bila da ce uzeti oko 2/3 Ukrajine.
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    Post by Guest Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:38

    ...nebitni kurton od broda, matora kanta.

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    Post by Del Cap Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:44

    KIEL, Germany — German Vice Chancellor Robert Habeck backtracked Thursday on support for quickly sending tanks to Ukraine, amid divisions within Berlin’s ruling parties over how much to get involved and concerns about becoming Russia’s next target.

    Habeck, a member of the Greens, had said just two days ago that “anything that helps the Ukrainian army now must be delivered quickly,” in response to Kyiv’s demands for Germany to send tanks and artillery. But on Thursday, speaking to POLITICO at a local election rally in the northern German city of Kiel, he took a different stance more in line with his Social Democratic boss, Chancellor Olaf Scholz.

    Notably, Habeck mentioned concerns among NATO allies that deliveries of modern tanks from Western producers could prompt Russia to extend its war to Western countries.

    “Heavy weapons are synonymous with tanks, and all NATO countries have so far ruled this out to not become targets themselves,” said Habeck, who also serves as Germany’s economy and climate minister, arguing that NATO and the EU must first debate whether “we want to change this line.”

    He added: “NATO will constantly reevaluate the situation, the course of the war will change, and then it will be discussed within NATO.”
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 10:50

    Cousin Billy wrote:Reci to ruskim medijima koji u talk show emisijama predlažu sravnjivanje Kijeva zbog samozapaljenja broda.

    Obrazloženje za udare su jučerašnji ukrajniski napadi na ruskoj teritoriji, ne bi oni zbog broda koji je ionako bio za penziju raketirali Kijev. 


    Moskva je flagship, ponos, prvi i komandni brod crnomorske flote. Nakrcana je raketama i topovima za odbranu od drugih brodova, aviona i podmornica. Samom svojom pojavom u Mediteranu nakon što su Turci oborili ruski Su-24 je disciplinovala Turke i u mišiju rupu ih otjerala. Ukrajincu lažu, u stvari desilo se nešto ali nije ukrajinska raketa već požar, brod tegljači već slepaju u luku i za najviše mjsec dana se vraća u službu, možda i malo duže potraje pauza ukoliko ga ozbiljnije modernizuju.

    Rusko MOD potvrdi potonuće.

    Moskva je ionako brod star 40 godina, iz sovjetskog je doba i naoružan već prilično zastarjelim raketama i topovima. Jedan brod, ma kakav bio, nije neka posebna šteta. A pošto je brod ionako star, remont vjerovatno nije ni planiran niti bi bio isplativ. Izgradiće Rusi vrlo brzo nove i modernije brodove. Birno je da je razlog potonuća požar a ne ukrajinska rakete.

    Ispade Moskva ono babino raspuklo korito iz bajke o ribaru i ribici.


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    Post by Pink_ćevabdžinica_Altina Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 11:07

    nego kina se nesto naostrila oce da izadje i ona na more

    nemam pojma, brod blizu obale je losa rabota u danasnje vreme, to je da se tera po okeanu


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    Post by Pink_ćevabdžinica_Altina Fri 15 Apr 2022 - 11:08

    rusi ce racunam skapirati da je bombardovanje iz vazduha najisplitiviji vid ratovanja

    best bang for buck doslovno


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