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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:05 pm

    eh.
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:08 pm

    pffff
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:09 pm

    na osnovu cele današnje priče, rekao bih da su mornari, barem većina njih, imali dovoljno vremena da se evakuišu. nadam se, barem, da je tako.
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    Post by Notxor Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:12 pm

    The cruiser "Moskva" sank while being towed in a storm, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
    The crew of the sunken cruiser "Moskva" was evacuated to the ships of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in the area - Russian Defense Ministry


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:13 pm

    Sve ide prema planu
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    Post by Летећи Полип Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:21 pm




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    Post by Notxor Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:22 pm

    Intel Slava Z, [4/14/2022 10:18 PM]
    🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡⚡The big battle on the Donbass arc will begin within 48 hours.

    This is evidenced by several factors:

    ✅ Finished the concentration of reserves in the border areas.

    ✅ The troops withdrawn from the Kiev, Chernihiv and Sumy regions had enough rest.

    ✅ For a week now, the main missile strikes of the Russian Federation have been inflicting on the areas of the near reserve, approximately along the Dnipro-Krivoy Rog line.

    ✅ To the south of Izyum, a fairly large shock fist was formed, and clashes of reconnaissance groups began almost at hand-to-hand distance.

    ✅ An unprecedented number of aircraft are concentrated on the nearest airfields. Aviation, obviously, will be the main factor in the upcoming operation by the Russian Federation.


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    Post by Летећи Полип Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:28 pm


    MyCity Military wrote:Nisam upućen, da li se olupina može ikako, ako je na maloj dubini, izvući i vratiti joj sposobnost plovidbe?




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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:29 pm

    Realno je da Rusija pobedi u Donbasu, pogotovu ako su u medjuvremenu shvatili kako da kombinuju zemlju i vazduh. Ili, da preformulišem - ako ne uspeju, to im je kraj konvencionalnog rata. A mislim da je jedini način da ne uspeju ako im je moral drastično niži od ukrajinskog ili ako nekako royally fuck up, što je, sa ovolikom prednošću u vatrenoj moći i avijaciji, teško zamisliti i pored svih dosadašnjih blamaža.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:32 pm

    ja sam malo debil za strategiju a i inače, ali nisam siguran da se problemi logistike, morala i lanca komande  mogu rešiti za 4 nedelje. videćemo ali verujem da nas čekaju čudni dani.
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:39 pm

    Ukraine needs $7 billion per month in immediate financing help to cover social payments and salaries, President Volodymyr Zelenskiy told European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen when she visited Kyiv last week, according to people familiar with the matter.

    Zelenskiy also discussed the challenges Ukraine faces trying to export its grain, with von der Leyen saying the bloc would use its expedited border crossing procedures to help, the people said.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-14/ukraine-update-moscow-considers-easing-capital-controls
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:40 pm

    Летећи Полип wrote:






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    Post by Sotir Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:40 pm

    Украјинци су требали да се повуку из Донбаса у веће градове. Овде може да им буде одсечен највећи део војске, и после тога ће бити у проблему.
    Већ неко време су мало преоптимистични, па покушавају контра нападе, држе сву територију итд.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:52 pm

    Ja sam, laički, uvek mislio da treba da se povuku na nešto branjivije i kraće, ali sigurno tu ima i politike. Dobro, ima vrv i malo poverenja u svoje defanzivne pozicije/položaje koje drže. Videćemo. Rat je, sve je moguće.
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Thu Apr 14, 2022 10:56 pm

    Izaša je zanimljiv članak na WSJ iza paywalla ofkors, al mislim da je neko ukrao, preveo i sad je tu. Može proći i kao native advertising za nato.

    With no emphasis on numbers and weapons, the NATO Advisory Team focuses primarily on the concept of capacity building, which requires commanders to set goals and ensure they have sufficient manpower and weapons to meet that goal.
    To encourage this approach, NATO has proposed the idea of ​​building a professional military system in which experienced soldiers are promoted to high positions in the unit and act as a bridge between officers with only soldiers on the battlefield.
    NATO is also supporting Ukraine’s military leaders in adopting a “command-by-order” model, in which superiors set combat objectives and delegate decision-making authority to each soldier as far as possible in the chain of command.
    Attempts to reform Ukraine’s military actually began in 2008 but are said to have had no effect. At the time, Russia’s military campaign in Georgia led NATO to turn its attention to Ukraine. The Alliance has prepared a 70-page action plan entitled “Strategic Roadmap for Ukraine’s Euro-Atlantic Integration.”
    It is essentially a plan to help Kyiv meet NATO standards, which include calls for a more professional, civilian-controlled military. However, these efforts did not bring great results due to the resistance of the Ukrainian military itself.
    The conflict in the east since 2014 has changed Ukraine’s position. At the time, President Petro Poroshenko ordered military reform, further boosting NATO’s efforts.


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    Post by Anduril Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:03 pm

    U Donbasu imaju jos Slovjansk i Kramatorsk koji nisu mala mesta, i bice ih jako tesko zauzeti.
    Sa druge strane, logistika je i dalje ogroman problem za Putinovu vojsku i ocigledno to nisu resili.
    Ona linija snadbevanja od granice preko Izluma ka Slovjansku izgleda strasno ranjiva iz pravca Harkova.
    Oni i dalje nemaju dovoljno vojske za neku zaista veliku ofanzivu i da zaista naprave neki kotao.
    A ovo sto su povukli oko Kijeva je demoralisana vojska kojoj treba mnogo duze od nedelju dana da se reorganizuje i ponovo opremi.
    Plus, pocela je sezona blata i nece biti lako manevrisanje van puteva a sateliti snimaju svaki pokret.
    Jos sa ovim izbacivanjem Moskve, bice sada veceg pritiska na Kerson, a ne vidim ni da ce im moral sve ovo podici. 
    Putinova vojska ocigledno ima mnogo ozbiljnije probleme od pogresne taktike ili strategije.
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    Post by MNE Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:12 pm

    opolčenci su prije 8 godina sa osnovnim naoružanjem zauzeli Kramatorsk i držali ga 3 mjeseca
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    Post by Јанош Винету Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:16 pm

    Тад је командовао Стрелков. А сменили су га јер је изгубио Славјанск и Краматорск.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:19 pm

    Ovo nije taj rat - ni sa jedne, ni sa druge strane.
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:38 pm

    Sotir wrote:
    Cousin Billy wrote:Ukrajinci se hvale da su pogodili sa dve rakete flagship crnomorske flote, Moskvu. Za sada nema nikakve nezavisne potvrde.

    Хмм, Украјинци имају само подзвучне противбродске ракете.
    Иако Москва нема најновији ПВО, тешко да би могли да га пробију.

    Ово је нпр последња одбрана, аутоматски топови од 30мм који пуцају по 100 граната у секунди.
    Pa šta bi? 
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    rumbeando wrote:BBC analizirao podatke o preko 1000 poginulih ruskih vojnika, od toga je 0 iz Moskve.


    (niz se nastavlja)
    Ференце,
    прочитај ово.
    Da, i? Demografija zvaničnih gubitaka. Ne vidim da to znači da drugih nema.


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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:39 pm

    Ček sad vidim, 100 u sekundi, zvuči baš mnogo.


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    Post by nalog sa ženinog laptopa Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:40 pm

    jel to blato tolki problem u 2022.?


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    Post by Del Cap Thu Apr 14, 2022 11:43 pm

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:Izaša je zanimljiv članak na WSJ iza paywalla ofkors, al mislim da je neko ukrao, preveo i sad je tu. Može proći i kao native advertising za nato.

    With no emphasis on numbers and weapons, the NATO Advisory Team focuses primarily on the concept of capacity building, which requires commanders to set goals and ensure they have sufficient manpower and weapons to meet that goal.
    To encourage this approach, NATO has proposed the idea of ​​building a professional military system in which experienced soldiers are promoted to high positions in the unit and act as a bridge between officers with only soldiers on the battlefield.
    NATO is also supporting Ukraine’s military leaders in adopting a “command-by-order” model, in which superiors set combat objectives and delegate decision-making authority to each soldier as far as possible in the chain of command.
    Attempts to reform Ukraine’s military actually began in 2008 but are said to have had no effect. At the time, Russia’s military campaign in Georgia led NATO to turn its attention to Ukraine. The Alliance has prepared a 70-page action plan entitled “Strategic Roadmap for Ukraine’s Euro-Atlantic Integration.”
    It is essentially a plan to help Kyiv meet NATO standards, which include calls for a more professional, civilian-controlled military. However, these efforts did not bring great results due to the resistance of the Ukrainian military itself.
    The conflict in the east since 2014 has changed Ukraine’s position. At the time, President Petro Poroshenko ordered military reform, further boosting NATO’s efforts.

    To se tradicionalno zove auftragstaktik, doktrinarno usvojena u srpskoj vojsci krajem 19. veka uz stratešku i taktičku misao iz Nemačke.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:34 am

    Sirene za vazdušnu opasnost širom Ukrajine, eksplozije u Kijevu, deo grada bez struje.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:36 am

    Pocelo je Vol.2

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