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    Sotir

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    Post by Sotir Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:09 pm

    Ференце, 
    Изнео сам ти своје проценее (процена страдалих на основу документоване уништене технике у току прве недеље, као и бројање сахрана по Русији после неколико недеља), на основу којих мислим да подаци руског МО могу бити реални. Такође и да нису комплетни, јер не обухватају све формације.

    Изволи износи на основу чега процењујеш да су ти подаци неколико пута већи.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon Apr 11, 2022 4:24 pm



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    Del Cap

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    Post by Del Cap Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:13 pm

    Da ostane za forumski memento tamo 2035.

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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:27 pm

    Sotir wrote:Ференце, 
    Изнео сам ти своје проценее (процена страдалих на основу документоване уништене технике у току прве недеље, као и бројање сахрана по Русији после неколико недеља), на основу којих мислим да подаци руског МО могу бити реални. Такође и да нису комплетни, јер не обухватају све формације.

    Изволи износи на основу чега процењујеш да су ти подаци неколико пута већи.
    Ja sam pitao tebe, jer vjerujem da ove stvari pratiš detaljnije nego ja, da si bolje upućen u pitanja vojne tehnike itd. Moja procjena ruskih gubitaka je na osnovu informacija iz medija i s interneta, dakle, potpuno laička i neobavezujuća za bilo koga. Ne nudim argumente u prilog toj procjeni. Vrlo je lako moguće da se varam. Sve što želim reći je da mi je tvoja procjena, tj. ruskog MOD neuvjerljiva. Dat će svemogući Allah dž. š. sreće, pa ćemo se na to vratiti nakon godina. Minervina sova polijeće u suton.


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:56 pm

    Ovo nije bio prijateljski susret", izjavio je austrijski kancelar Nehammer nakon sastanka s ruskim predsjednikom Putinom. Kako javlja Reuters, dvojica lidera susrela su se u Putinovoj službenoj rezidenciji Novo Ogarjovo izvan Moskve. Službenih fotografija nije bilo zbog straha, kako tumači Kronen Zeitung, da bi ruska strana prizor rukovanja mogla iskoristiti u propagandne svrhe.

    Skoro pa ništa o susretu Putina i Nehamera, samo snimak kolone vozila ispred austrijske amabasade kad je gost krenuo u Putinovu rezidenciju.


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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:13 pm

    Procena ruskih vlasti o broju poginulih je skoro pa teorijski nemoguca. Ako uzmemo da.operacija traje 50tak dana, na podrucju skoro 1000km (nije "front", ali...) uz obostranu upotrebu artiljerije i svega ostalog, ako uzmemo broj poginulih oficira...to je skoro pa nemoguca cifra.
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    Post by Guest Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:29 pm

    a kako znaš da je baš poginuo od rata, možda je prelazio ulicu van pešačkog i zgazio ga auto

    čim pogine neko od granate u zaraćenom području odmah pišu da je žrtva rata

    ko zna koliko je imao komorbiditeta i možda bi umro u svakom slučaju
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    Post by kapetanm Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:38 pm

    Nemojmo se s tim zajebavati. Činjenica je da se u ratu ne mogu odmah dokumentovati gubici ni uzroci, pa onda krivudav administrativan put do vrha koji to treba da saopsti
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    Post by Guest Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:55 pm

    ja se ne zajebavam, kod virusa smo videli koliko malo ljudi ceni život, i svoj i tuđ

    što bi ga ovde cenili više, normalno je i licitiranje i proseravanje

    sve i da smo svi na terenu u ukrajini, ne bi imali pojma o razmerama smrti koja je oko nas
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Apr 11, 2022 6:57 pm

    kapetanm wrote:Nemojmo se s tim zajebavati. Činjenica je da se u ratu ne mogu odmah dokumentovati gubici ni uzroci, pa onda krivudav administrativan put do vrha koji to treba da saopsti
    A ne mogu ni posle rata.

    Pitaj Srbina i Hrvata koliko je poginulo ljudi u WW2 u Jugoslaviji, a koliko u Jasenovcu i glej si vatromet.

    Nas su ucili da je 7 hiljada ljudi streljano u Kragujevcu, ti dobro znas kakav je performans osnovnoj imala Nadja kada je predavala o tome na casu istorije. 

    Kad ono Svabo popisao manje od tri hiljade. Zasto je popisivao? Zato sto su im delili medalje u zavisnosti od toga da li su namakli koliko je trebalo za streljanje. I da ne bi te morbidnosti, mi ne bi smo nikada znali koliko je zaista streljano. A sve se dogadjalo u jednom gradu, nema sanse da se nije znalo ko je streljan.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by kondo Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:08 pm

    Talason wrote:a kako znaš da je baš poginuo od rata, možda je prelazio ulicu van pešačkog i zgazio ga auto

    čim pogine neko od granate u zaraćenom području odmah pišu da je žrtva rata

    ko zna koliko je imao komorbiditeta i možda bi umro u svakom slučaju


    kovid kovid točka, iskander točka kovid, skočko kovid skočko, pik pik kovid.


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by kondo Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:09 pm

    E ovo je zanimljivo:

    Ukrainian Intelligence Directorate ( Головне управління розвідки Міністерства оборони України) is making the following claim on social media:
    " Russians are preparing for a partisan war on their territory
    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 25aaThe Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation is obliged to ensure the interaction of the Russian railroad with the Ministry of Internal Affairs and FSB. Increased security measures are related to “the threat of interference in the work of transport infrastructure objects located at the borders of Rostov region and Krasnodar region”.
    For the first time counter-diversion measures on the Russian railway were introduced with the beginning of aggression against Ukraine for a short-term, with the calculation of a quick blitz-krig. After the failure of the initial plan, their actions regularly continue and intensify.
    Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 25aaSuch an increase in readiness is related in particular to the actions of the Belarusian “raik partisans”, which purposefully remove the railway connection with Ukraine to complicate the delivery of reinforcement from the combat zone. And recent explosions near Belgorod at the local oil base and ammunition warehouses sowed panic and in neighboring Russian regions of the Russian Federation. This is the beginning of a partisan war and the transfer of combat to the territory of the Russian Federation."
    Obviously, source inquirenda, but interesting nonetheless.


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:15 pm

    Talason wrote:a kako znaš da je baš poginuo od rata, možda je prelazio ulicu van pešačkog i zgazio ga auto

    čim pogine neko od granate u zaraćenom području odmah pišu da je žrtva rata

    ko zna koliko je imao komorbiditeta i možda bi umro u svakom slučaju

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    Post by Filipenko Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:28 pm

    Za nekoga ko obozava da preimenuje gradove po Ukrajini u njihova nikad nosena nepostojeca imena na ukrajinskom jeziku (uglavnom menjajuci "o" i "e" u "i"), primecujem da bi Mor Thokoly trebao da u znak protesta protiv ruske agresije promeni nik u Mir Thikily.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:33 pm

    gili gili


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by kondo Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:33 pm

    ako je tačno da su rusi izrokali ove S300 što su za vikend prihajali u ukrajinu
    slovaci su odigrali kolosalan rad bez ruku, odrekli se đubreta, dobili patriote


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:33 pm

    Tikili mi je ok, Mir pak ne Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 1399639816
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    Post by Notxor Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:45 pm

    ORGANIZACIJA zemalja izvoznica nafte (OPEC) je poručila Europskoj uniji da trenutne i buduće sankcije Rusiji mogu stvoriti jedan od najvećih šokova na tržištu nafte te da taj savez ne može zamijeniti ruske količine i neće povećati svoju proizvodnju.


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    Post by MNE Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:48 pm

    Del Cap wrote:Da ostane za forumski memento tamo 2035.

    do sad je poprilično pogodio, ako se i ovo ispostavi kao tačno onda je u pitanju klasični dogovoreni remi u italijanskoj C ligi kad i jednima i drugima odgovara bod da ne ispadnu, ono ne dogovore se direktno ali se dobro kapiraju kad se ispucavaju lopte bzvz, samo što ovdje nije u pitanju fudbal nego vojna industrija sa obije strane
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    Post by Filipenko Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:50 pm

    Jel ti stvarno mislis da se on igra prognoziranja? To je zlo, a posebnu notu daje pozivanje da "oni kojima se to ne svidja napuste Ukrajinu" dok istovremeno zabranjuju izlazak iz zemlje, hapse i salju u prve linije.


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    Post by Del Cap Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:52 pm

    Cela vest

    OPEC tells EU it's not possible to replace potential Russian oil supply loss


    BRUSSELS/LONDON, April 11 (Reuters) - OPEC told the European Union on Monday that current and future sanctions on Russia could create one of the worst ever oil supply shocks and it would be impossible to replace those volumes, and signalled it would not pump more.

    European Union officials held talks in Vienna with representatives of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries amid calls for the group to increase output and as the EU considers potential sanctions on Russian oil.

    "We could potentially see the loss of more than 7 million barrels per day (bpd) of Russian oil and other liquids exports, resulting from current and future sanctions or other voluntary actions," OPEC Secretary General Mohammad Barkindo said, according to a copy of his speech seen by Reuters.

    "Considering the current demand outlook, it would be nearly impossible to replace a loss in volumes of this magnitude."

    The European Union reiterated its call in the meeting for oil-producing countries to look at whether they can increase deliveries to help cool soaring oil prices, a European Commission official told Reuters.

    EU representatives also pointed out that OPEC has a responsibility to ensure balanced oil markets, the official said.

    OPEC has resisted calls by the United States and the International Energy Agency to pump more crude to cool prices, which reached a 14-year peak last month after Washington and Brussels imposed sanctions on Moscow following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

    In the meeting with OPEC, the EU said OPEC could provide more production from its spare capacity, according to an OPEC document seen by Reuters.

    Still, Barkindo said the current highly volatile market was a result of "non-fundamental factors" outside OPEC's control, in a signal the group would not pump more.

    OPEC+, which consists of OPEC and other producers including Russia, will raise output by about 432,000 barrels per day in May, as part of a gradual unwinding of output cuts made during the worst of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    The EU-OPEC meeting on Monday afternoon was the latest in a dialogue launched between the two sides in 2005.

    Russian oil has been excluded from EU sanctions so far. But after the 27-country bloc agreed last week to sanction Russian coal - its first to target energy supplies - some senior EU officials said oil could be next.

    The European Commission is drafting proposals for an oil embargo on Russia, the foreign ministers of Ireland, Lithuania and the Netherlands said on Monday at a meeting of EU foreign ministers in Luxembourg, although there was no agreement to ban Russian crude. 

    Australia, Canada and the United States, who are less reliant on Russian supply than Europe, have already banned Russian oil purchases.

    EU countries are split over whether to follow suit, given their higher dependency and the potential for the move to push up already high energy prices in Europe.

    The EU expects its oil use to decrease 30% by 2030, from 2015 levels, under its planned policies to fight climate change - though in the short term, an embargo would trigger a dash to replace Russian oil with alternative supplies.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:37 pm

    Del Cap wrote:Cela vest

    "We could potentially see the loss of more than 7 million barrels per day (bpd) of Russian oil and other liquids exports, resulting from current and future sanctions or other voluntary actions," OPEC Secretary General Mohammad Barkindo said, according to a copy of his speech seen by Reuters.

    "Considering the current demand outlook, it would be nearly impossible to replace a loss in volumes of this magnitude."

    A zasto je ovo "loss"? Sve je isto, samo se vrsi preraspodela gde ide nafta. OPEC bez Rusije izvozi na zapad, Rusija ne-zapadu salje jeftinu naftu u rubljama. Dje je ba zapelo?


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Guest Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:52 pm

    Zapelo je što nemaš način da to uradiš. Možda za 5-10 godina, ako sutra krenu investicije.
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    Post by Del Cap Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:16 am


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