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    Post by kondo Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:24 pm

    a ispeci ces je na drva?


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    Post by паће Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:29 pm

    kondo wrote:a ispeci ces je na drva?

    Па може, у ствари има старих рецепата како да се грнчарија пече мимо ових индустријских поступака. Са глазуром претпостављам да је штогод зајебаније.


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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:38 pm

    Talason wrote: se prekraja stvarnost kako bi se navijalo


    Fama est.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0969725022000032526

    Uprkos opravdanoj i simpatičnoj mizantropiji bi valjalo nekad i elaborirati argument, a ne samo docirati s olimpijskih visina poznavaoca tehnologija. Nije isključeno da između tehnologija i materijala ima stvari o kojima Vaša premudrost niti ne sanja.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:47 pm

    Talason wrote:
    Mór Thököly wrote:E btw, slucajno odlicno znam za sta se sve koristi nafta. Ali znam i jos nesto. Ono sto sam pricao pre pocetka rata.

    ja ne znam sve za šta se koristi nafta, ali kada pogledam po stanu, ne vidim apsolutno ništa za šta se ne koristi

    Ali nafta je i dosta laksa za diverzifikovanje nabavke od gasa
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:52 pm

    Mislim da ovde imamo  nesporazum, ne kazem da ce se potrosnja nafte smanjiti 5 puta
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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:59 pm

    Vektorski ce napasti sopstvenu zavisnost od sirovina i energenata

    Rusija i kongo nemaju sansi


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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:59 pm

    Planeta da odahne


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:54 pm

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    Tj bio bi da nije ovog celog stradanja desetina hiljada i miliona izbeglica.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:12 pm

    To je ruski cinizam

    Nego su previse tupavi da skapiraju


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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:14 pm

    Mariupulj je beskonacno puta vazniji strateski od kieva


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:31 pm

    Prije da će na istok Ukrajine nego u svoje vojarne u Rusiji.




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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:38 pm

    A jok, ce idu preko ukrajine i trpe gubitke


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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:55 pm

    Ferenc Puskás wrote:
    Talason wrote: se prekraja stvarnost kako bi se navijalo


    Fama est.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0969725022000032526

    Uprkos opravdanoj i simpatičnoj mizantropiji bi valjalo nekad i elaborirati argument, a ne samo docirati s olimpijskih visina poznavaoca tehnologija. Nije isključeno da između tehnologija i materijala ima stvari o kojima Vaša premudrost niti ne sanja.

    Ne pišem ono što ne znam, ovde su svi stručniji od mene kada su u pitanju istorija, fudbal, istorija fudbala, apsolutno sve društvene nauke, brizle, iznutrice, riba, divljač itd.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:14 pm

    Ma ne, istina je to za naftu, nema zbora. Nesam skolovao, ali neko jako blizak je hiper strucnjak za problematiku. Nego sam ja mislio na nabavku iz Rusije, a ti, verujem, na generalno potrosnju. Generalno potrosnja sto se goriva tice ce se nekako smanjivati, ali za ostalo ce ici jako tesko i sporo, to je jasno.
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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:16 pm

    mene nervira što se gaji narativ videće sad rusija kad prestanemo da upotrebljavamo naftu i svuda stavimo vetrenjače, umesto lepo da kažu ok, smanjujemo energetsku zavisnost i idemo na alternativne dobavljače nafte
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:19 pm

    Da, slazem se.
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    Post by MNE Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:51 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:Prije da će na istok Ukrajine nego u svoje vojarne u Rusiji.


    gotove vježbe
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:00 pm

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    Post by Del Cap Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:07 pm

    Crunch Time for Europe's Economic Sanctions
    Mar 29, 2022
    JEAN PISANI-FERRY

    Virtually any additional sanctions against Russia would entail an economic cost for Europe, which is why the European Union is dithering. As the economic conflict with Russia enters a hazardous new phase, can Europe’s leaders hold their nerve?

    PARIS – In 2003, the conservative US pundit Robert Kagan famously wrote that Europe “is turning away from power; it is moving beyond power in a self-contained world of laws and rules.” After Russia invaded Ukraine in late February, the European Union decided that it was time to prove Kagan wrong. The EU has mobilized economic power, at least, against Russia’s military aggression, and deployed an array of monetary, financial, trade, and investment sanctions.

    Europe’s swift and muscular reaction has rightly been hailed. The shock effect of freezing much of Russia’s foreign-exchange reserves was spectacular. But as the war continues, will the sanctions remain effective? And if their impact weakens, as seems likely, will the EU be able to step them up in a meaningful way?

    A worrying sign is that after the EU’s decision on March 15 to ban imports of steel and exports of luxury goods to Russia, there were no further announcements at the leaders’ meeting on March 24. Europe will not force Russian President Vladimir Putin to back down by depriving Russian oligarchs of the latest Ferraris and Louis Vuitton handbags.

    EU leaders cannot evade the question of possible further sanctions. On March 7, a few days after Russia’s reserves were frozen, 100 rubles were worth just $0.72, down from $1.30 in early February. But by March 27, the ruble had recovered to $0.99. As Robin Brooks of the Institute of International Finance has emphasized, Russia is accumulating massive current-account surpluses and is thus en route to rebuilding both its reserves and its import capacity.

    Banning Russia’s central bank from accessing its reserves was costless for the EU. But virtually any additional steps – reducing imports of oil and gas, banning a wider range of exports, or telling European firms to withdraw from Russia – would entail an economic cost for Europe.

    That is why the EU is dithering. Policymakers are discussing an energy embargo or a tax on Russian oil and a gradual reduction of gas imports. But German Chancellor Olaf Scholz remains opposed, warning that abruptly cutting Russian energy imports would plunge Germany and Europe into a recession.

    How large would the cost of tightening the screw on Russia be? The war in Ukraine has already darkened the economic outlook. The OECD recently estimated that, assuming prices of energy and commodities remain elevated, eurozone growth will be reduced by about 1.5 percentage points, and inflation will rise by two percentage points. Other assessments are more benign, but only because they start from less adverse assumptions.

    These negative adjustments look big, but two caveats apply. Until the war began, growth in 2022-23 was expected to be buoyant; lowering a 4% growth forecast by two percentage points is not the same as cutting a 1% forecast by that amount. And the OECD rightly observes that government policies – such as targeted fiscal support to the worst-hit low-income households – can help cushion the shock and reduce the growth shortfall.

    The more difficult question is how much it would cost Europe to reduce and ultimately eliminate its dependence on Russian energy – or, equivalently, to withstand a Russian export ban. The data are frightening: In 2019, the EU imported 47% of its coal, 41% of its gas, and 27% of its oil from Russia. And while coal and oil are global commodities, implying that one supplier can largely be substituted by another, gas flows depend on the infrastructure of pipelines and liquefied natural gas terminals.

    Currently, Russia can hardly export its gas elsewhere than westward, whereas the EU’s greater substitution capacities put it in a stronger position than its adversary. But shifting away from Russian gas will not be painless. Both protagonists are thus playing a game of chicken.

    On March 23, Putin announced that Russia would accept payments only in rubles for gas deliveries to “unfriendly countries,” including all EU members. This is probably first and foremost a ploy to force the EU to violate its own ban on transacting with the Russian central bank. But it is also a way for Putin to signal that Russia is prepared to stop exporting gas to Europe and to dispense with the corresponding revenues.

    Is the EU ready to call Putin’s bluff? Past experience, such as the sudden closure of nuclear plants after the 2011 Fukushima disaster, suggests that the economic system can adapt quickly to disruptions. In the case of Germany, a widely cited paper by Rüdiger Bachmann and others puts the overall cost of an abrupt stop to Russian energy imports at between 0.5% and 3% of GDP. Results for the EU as a whole appear to be similar, but the impact on countries like Lithuania and Bulgaria would be much greater.

    Today’s uncertainty understandably makes European policymakers nervous. But an energy embargo is now within the range of possibilities for the immediate future. Because the West has invested its entire credibility in the effectiveness of economic sanctions against Russia, irresolution can quickly become a fatal weakness. The EU has little time left to prepare.

    The concern is that, instead of drawing up contingency plans for adapting the European energy system, developing new collective energy-security mechanisms, and supporting the worst-affected member states, European governments started by rushing to clinch individual supply deals with Middle East producers. The lack of common purpose was striking. One hopes that the agreement reached on March 25 to organize joint gas purchases will trigger a change in attitude.

    Europe’s leaders should make it clear to the public that they cannot defeat an adversary ready to endure a 20% drop in national income if Europeans are not willing to risk a 2% decline in their own. But the same leaders who recently dared to lock down their fellow citizens to combat COVID-19 are now unwilling to tell them to drive a little slower to conserve fuel.

    Europe’s economic conflict with Russia is entering a hazardous new phase. The risk of failing is too big to be taken.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:17 pm

    Pentagon says Russia is repositioning forces around Kyiv rather than withdrawing


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:25 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Pentagon says Russia is repositioning forces around Kyiv rather than withdrawing

    U svakom slucaju niko nije mislio da te snage idu kuci. A i ovo ne cudi puno.
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:29 pm

    Puno ruske proizvodnje, uključujući i ekstrakciju nafte i gasa, oslanja se na zapadne komponente, čipove, mašine i tehnologiju. Doći će na red remonti ili će zatrebati rezervni delovi.

    Evo npr. slike iz ruske fabrike oružja u kojoj se koristi italijanska mašina Tacchi.

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    Naravno da je masu toga moguće zameniti kineskim (ali ne sve, i Kina je prisiljena da se za neke stvari oslanja na zapadnu tehnologiju jer nema sopstvena dovoljno dobra rešenja), ali pitanje u kom vremenskom okviru i po kojoj ceni, ne samo novčanoj nego i vremenskoj (potrebno vreme za obuku ljudi).

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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:35 pm

    Talason wrote:mene nervira što se gaji narativ videće sad rusija kad prestanemo da upotrebljavamo naftu i svuda stavimo vetrenjače, umesto lepo da kažu ok, smanjujemo energetsku zavisnost i idemo na alternativne dobavljače nafte

    Mór Thököly wrote:Da, slazem se.

    A ja više čitao o ovom drugom, da lepo kažu i baš to govore.
    Ovo prvo baš ne nalazim. Najbliže tomu su bili komentari nakon prvih sankcija kako će Rusija biti slomljena ekonomski, a onda odmah se dodavalo da će to trajati, da bi nakon nekoliko dana počele izlaziti analize o ograničenom dometu sankcija. Specifično za naftu sam uglavnom nalazio ocjene da se može ipak uvijek kupiti drugdje, makar skuplje, ali da će moći, i da je ključni problem plin.


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    Post by MNE Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:43 pm

    nafte nema beskonačno, što se više izvlači to je komplikovanije i skuplje jer moraš ići dublje sa bušotinama
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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:08 pm

    E, kaze cia analitika da se radi samo o mosi oko koeva

    Koji je potrajao koliko sati


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