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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:02 pm

    Sankcije nece zaustaviti rat. Sigurno ne u kratkom roku (nekoliko meseci)
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:42 pm

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:S bloomberga:
    In the days after the Ukraine war began, the ruble’s collapse was a potent symbol of Russia’s newfound financial isolation.
    International sanctions on Vladimir Putin’s regime sank it to a record low of 121.5 rubles per dollar, triggering memories of the battering it took during the 1998 Russian financial crisis.
    Things looked dire enough that U.S. President Joe Biden said the ruble had been reduced to “rubble.”
    Now, though, it sure hasn’t. The ruble has surged all the way back to where it was before Putin invaded Ukraine, extending its recent rally to trade as strong as 74.2625 per dollar in early Moscow trade on Thursday.
    What’s become clear is that despite an incredibly wide-ranging package of sanctions on the Russian government and its oligarchs, and an exodus of foreign businesses, the actions are largely toothless if foreigners keep guzzling Russian oil and natural gas -- supporting the ruble by stocking Putin’s coffers.
    Even as Russia remains mostly cut off otherwise from the global economy, Bloomberg Economics expects the country will earn nearly $321 billion from energy exports this year, up more than a third from 2021.
    The rapid ruble recovery gives Putin a major victory back in Russia, where many people fixate on the currency’s ups and downs, even as his military gets bogged down in Ukraine and outrage mounts across the globe over atrocities it’s committed.
    In response to this year’s sanctions, Russia has enacted capital controls that also appear to be supporting the ruble. That includes freezing the assets held by nonresident investors, and telling Russian companies to convert 80% of the foreign currencies they hold into rubles.
    This has some observers doubting the significance of the ruble’s recovery to pre-invasion levels -- which is also happening amid the lightest trading volume in a decade. “It is not a free-floating currency given all the measures imposed by the authorities,” Tresca said. U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said basically the same thing Wednesday when testifying before Congress, warning against drawing deeper messages about sanctions from the ruble’s rebound.
    Still, it’s hard to ignore the lifeline other nations are tossing Putin by purchasing his country’s oil and gas. Doing so gives Russia a current-account surplus -- economics jargon for exporting more than you import, which tends to lift a the country’s currency -- and undermines the attempt to pummel Russia with sanctions.
    “A current-account surplus should actually be another source of stability for the ruble,” said Brendan McKenna, a strategist at Wells Fargo Securities LLC. “If energy prices remain high and major importers of Russian energy and commodities continue to purchase, the current account should stay in surplus.”
    Russia has been able to stabilize local markets and even stave off a messy foreign default -- at least for now. This means that if the coalition of governments who oppose Putin want to hurt the ruble again, they’ll likely have to change tack. Just this week, the U.S. Treasury barred dollar debt payments from Russian accounts at U.S. banks, an attempt to make Russia drain its domestic dollar reserves or default.
    “As Russia’s economy and financial sector adapt to a new equilibrium of capital controls, managed prices, and economic autarky, it is not surprising that some of the domestic markets stabilize,” said Elina Ribakova and Benjamin Hilgenstock, economists at the Institute of International Finance. “Sanctions have become a moving target and will require adjustments over time to remain effective.”
    They pointed to the likelihood of more tightening of financial sanctions, perhaps even disconnecting additional Russian institutions from SWIFT, the communications system banks use to move money around the world.

    U tekstu se (boldovano) kriju razlozi stabilizacije* rublje - kontrola prometa novca, uzimanje 80% deviza od izvoznika energije, a sa rastućom izolovanošću ekonomije i rublje ta vrednost kursa ima sve više fiktivno značenje, iščašeno u odnosu na ekonomsko stanje. Videćemo nadalje, u Rusiji će pitanje lanca snabdevanja i socijalnog mira postai par ekselans pitanje, mnogo više od neke međunarodne konkurentnosti, cene sirovina i neto zarade deviza.
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    Post by паће Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:52 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Sankcije nece zaustaviti rat. Sigurno ne u kratkom roku (nekoliko meseci)

    Нису зауставиле ни ирачки ни авганистански, па неће ни овај.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:08 pm

    Bilo je potrebno dve godine da prodju da bi neuporedivo ostrije sankcije od oviih 1 Srbiju naterale da uvede embargo Srbima u Bosni. Pisi propalo.  Dugorocno, ako ostanu, to je nesto drugo. Ali Putina moze da sjebe samo saznanje da vojno ne moze da ostvari ciljeve a da mu ne bude previsoka cena kod kuce.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:25 pm



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    Međuopštinski pustolov.

    Zli stolar.
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:34 pm

    Mmmm, kako misle to za nuklearno gorivo da izvedu? Slovačka pre mesec dana i Mađarska ovih dana su avionima dovezli neko nuklearno gorivo, ima još n eleketrana koje zavise od ruskog izvora, to ne može tek tako da se napravi negde drugde. Mislim da je Vestinghaus probao pre nekog vremena da snabdeva da li Ukrajinu ili koga već, nije išlo. Doduše, ovo je Evroparlament, njegovo je da bude bučan i širok u zahtevima, ne odlučuju oni o tome.
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    Post by паће Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:40 pm

    У ствари, о чему уопште ЕУпарламент (Европарламент не постоји) одлучује?


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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:44 pm

    Evropski parlament (zvanično ime, uzmi ili ostavi) odlučuje, zajedno sa Savetom ministara, o svim zakonskim aktima koji se odnose na prostor EU.
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    Post by Guest Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:46 pm

    I nije da je kritika na tvoj račun, Paće, ali šteta je što kod nas nema dovoljno znanja o strukturi i zakonskim i upravnim dometima EU. Ovo znanje  bi omogućilo da ljudi donesu informisane političke odluke, bili za ili protiv EU integracija.
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    Post by паће Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:50 pm

    Cousin Billy wrote:Evropski parlament (zvanično ime, uzmi ili ostavi) odlučuje, zajedno sa Savetom Evrope, o svim zakonskim aktima koji se odnose na prostor EU.

    А да например Босна, Бугарска и Грчка саме оснују Балкански парламент?


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    Post by Filipenko Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:56 pm

    Evropski parlament ne odlucuje ni o cemu. Do pre par godina su imali iskljucivo savetodavnu ulogu, sada se to malo prosirilo ali i dalje se toj bandi ne poverava odlucivanje o bilo cemu bitnom. Nego ljudi misle po analogiji sa sopstvenim parlamentima da je to nekakav pravi parlament gde se nesto odlucuje pa je to obavezno za druge organe vlasti - odluke evropskog parlamenta nisu obavezujuce ni za koga. Ostavljam malu ogradu da su u poslednjih dve-tri godine to promenili, ali sumnjam.


    Del Cap wrote:U tekstu se (boldovano) kriju razlozi stabilizacije* rublje - kontrola prometa novca, uzimanje 80% deviza od izvoznika energije, a sa rastućom izolovanošću ekonomije i rublje ta vrednost kursa ima sve više fiktivno značenje, iščašeno u odnosu na ekonomsko stanje. Videćemo nadalje, u Rusiji će pitanje lanca snabdevanja i socijalnog mira postai par ekselans pitanje, mnogo više od neke međunarodne konkurentnosti, cene sirovina i neto zarade deviza.


    Mda, docim su druge vaalute u potpunosti linearno zavisne od ekonomskog stanja, sto se dalje prenosi po dubini ekonomije, pa tako najveca turisticko-ugostiteljska firma nema nijedan objekat u vlasnistvu, najveci taksi prevoznik nijedno vozilo, najvrednija firma na berzi je prvi put napravila profit pre 6 meseci i to tako sto su proizvodjaci SUS automobila morali da uplate procenat koji je isao njoj zbog toga sto pravi EV, a bez toga bi i dalje bili u gubicima kao i prethodnih 15 godina i tako dalje. I sve to se pokriva stampanjem dolara sa realnim pokricem, dabome.
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:08 pm

    Glasali smo za.
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    Post by Notxor Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:09 pm

    Kreneš od oligarha završiš na muzejskoj imovini

    Finland seized tens of millions of dollars worth of artwork on its way to Russia due to the European Union sanctions imposed on the country.
    ...
    Reuters reports the artwork was worth $46 million, with Russia claiming the works were loaned to Italy.
    The artwork came from The Hermitage Museum and Tsarskoye Selo state museum in St. Petersburg, along with the State Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow, Russian-state media reported, per Reuters.
    ...
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/finland-seizes-46-million-worth-031322744.html


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    Post by Filipenko Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:21 pm

    Recimo, ja bih za ovo mirne duse bombardovao Helsinki.
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    Post by паће Thu Apr 07, 2022 6:23 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Recimo, ja bih za ovo mirne duse bombardovao Helsinki.

    Каже се

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