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by MNE Sun Mar 20, 2022 10:33 pmne zamišljaju ništa, znaju da se ovi neće predati ali izgleda su izvukli civile pa im ta najava treba kao opravdanje da im odrade 1 Savamalu na suvoFilipenko wrote:Janko Suvar wrote:Phil Stewart
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BREAKING - Russia's defense ministry: Ukraine has until early hours of March 21 to give Russia its answer on surrendering Mariupol - RIA
Kako oni to uopste zamisljaju da funkcionise, Ukrajina naredni garnizonu u Marijupolju da se preda (a pitanje je da li uopste imaju komunikaciju), a oni ih poslusaju (a svakako ih nece poslusati)?
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Da, u pravu ste, mada tu sigurno ima i prostora za tumačenja - da li se misli direktno na teritoriju ili može da obuhvati napad na oružane snage. U svakom slučaju ovo što pišete otvara mogućnost za ulazak u zapadnu Ukrajinu uz naravno vrlo zakulisnu diplomatiju. E sad koliko je to moguće...
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Улазак Пољака у западну Украјину, пошто Руси поразе Украјинце на истоку, би исувише подсећао на јесен 1939. године. Плус и на некакве тајне споразуме.
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Del Cap wrote:Cousin Billy wrote:Napad na poljske trupe svakako bi izazvao aktivaciju člana 5, nema nikakve sumnje u to. Ali nešto se ovde valja iza brda pošto je Lavrov neobično spokojno primio k znanju poljsku ideju o mirovnim trupama, i samo konstatovao da bi to bila de fakto okupacija zapadne Ukrajine. Ne bi me čudilo da taj pojam "bezbednosnih garancija" za Ukrajinu uključuje trupe NATO zemalja na zapadu zemlje, i jasnu liniju razgraničenja sa ruskom okupacionom zonom.
Mislim da ne, trupe NATO zemalja na nekoj tuđoj teritoriji su fair game odnosno ne podležu "zaštiti" po članu 5. Napad na suverenu teritoriju - da.
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Cousin Billy wrote:Da, u pravu ste, mada tu sigurno ima i prostora za tumačenja - da li se misli direktno na teritoriju ili može da obuhvati napad na oružane snage. U svakom slučaju ovo što pišete otvara mogućnost za ulazak u zapadnu Ukrajinu uz naravno vrlo zakulisnu diplomatiju. E sad koliko je to moguće...
Bice mnogo vise moguce tj verovatno ako Belorusija udje u rat. Skoro sam sasvim siguran da im ne.pada na pamet da imaju "gvozdenu zavesu" kod Užgoroda i prema Rumuniji (gore)i celoj Poljskoj, itd.
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Mór Thököly wrote:
Skoro sam sasvim siguran da im ne.pada na pamet da imaju "gvozdenu zavesu" kod Užgoroda i prema Rumuniji (gore)i celoj Poljskoj, itd.
Ne razumem zasto bi im to bio problem.
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Летећи Полип wrote:Mór Thököly wrote:
Skoro sam sasvim siguran da im ne.pada na pamet da imaju "gvozdenu zavesu" kod Užgoroda i prema Rumuniji (gore)i celoj Poljskoj, itd.
Ne razumem zasto bi im to bio problem.
Preskupo za odrzavanje + mnogo vise potencijalnih problema tipa jos tri zemlje o kojima mora da se razmislja da li ce imati neke "specijalne odnose" sa Moskvom. A i "duboko" je to, geografski. Evo recimo Madjarska. Direktna granica sa Putinom, naslanja se na neutralnu Austriju, Austrija na neutralnu Svajcarsku.
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https://www.novosti.rs/c/planeta/svet/1098146/najnovije-vesti-sergej-lavrov-nato-poljska-ukrajina-nato-mirovni-kontigent
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what the fuck he actually said this https://t.co/1BV1Zm9j8i pic.twitter.com/tKqnarDdBi
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Bekam dao Instagram nalog sa 71m pratilaca doktorki iz Harkova
Iryna showed Beckham’s 71.5 million followers the cramped basement where all pregnant women and new mothers were evacuated to during the first day of the Russian invasion. She posted photographs of newborns in the intensive care unit, where they relied on oxygen generators donated by Unicef. In one clip, she filmed a young mother, Yana, holding her son, Mykhailo, who was born with breathing problems, and whose family home was destroyed.
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Iryna showed Beckham’s 71.5 million followers the cramped basement where all pregnant women and new mothers were evacuated to during the first day of the Russian invasion. She posted photographs of newborns in the intensive care unit, where they relied on oxygen generators donated by Unicef. In one clip, she filmed a young mother, Yana, holding her son, Mykhailo, who was born with breathing problems, and whose family home was destroyed.
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1 podsećanje koliko je ovo kukavički śto rade
If you don't get how vital the battle for #Ukraine is, let Sergei Lavrov explain:
— David Patrikarakos (@dpatrikarakos) March 20, 2022
"This is not about Ukraine at all, but the world order. The current crisis is a fateful, epoch-making moment in modern history. It reflects the battle over what the world order will look like".
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Tvit je izbrisan pa evo ovako.
Joe Biden’s ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield:
Joe Biden’s ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/zelenskiy-biden-us-ukraine-talks-russia-putin-china-nato“Other Nato countries may decide that they want to put troops inside of Ukraine, that will be a decision that they have made. We don’t want to escalate this into a war with the United States but we will support our Nato allies.”
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Specijalna operacijo, meet Mirovnu operaciju
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"On je Jevrejin, ne moze on da naljuti Kneset i Izrael"
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'What I saw, I hope no one will ever see"Mariupol will become part of a list of cities that were completely destroyed by war; I don’t need to name them- they are Guernica, Coventry, Aleppo, Grozny, Leningrad," Androulakis said.' https://t.co/Zx86K3fXoI
— Anastasios Telloglou (@telloglou) March 20, 2022
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I sta sad kada za par sati ovi ne predaju to sto je ostalo od Mariupolja? Kako se to tacno razlikuje od prethodnih 7 ultimatuma?
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Bio prvo kod Julije, pa onda kod Jacenjuka.
The wife of former Ukrainian MP Ihor Kotvitskyi declared 28 million dollars and 1.3 million euros when entering Hungary. Kotvitskyi has faced allegations of corruption in the past. pic.twitter.com/K4Ry2qOyk6
— Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) March 20, 2022
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European officials voiced concern that they were reaching capacity to comfortably house some of the nearly 3.5 million refugees who have fled Ukraine since Russia's invasion and are now camped in temporary accommodation.
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Jedinstveni ukrajinski ratni TV program u verziji sa simultanim ruskim prevodom:
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Do read @mashagessen's moving tragic elegy for liberal Moscow as it flees into horrified exile. https://t.co/HFdRmOX5Ku
— Susan Glasser (@sbg1) March 20, 2022
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Dejan Beric.
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Ukrajinci znaju da mrze, ali ne i da ratuju!
Yeah, right. Vidim kako ne znaju.
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Mislim, sta cu sve procitati na ovom svetu, Ukrajinci ne znaju da ratuju 
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Ni ja ne mogu da verujem sta pises, odakle ti to da Ukrajinci ne znaju da ratuju?
Ako mislis na Bericevu pricu, on to ne kaze u apsolutnom smislu, vec prica u kontekstu toga kako Ukrajinaca zapravo ima vise od trupa koje ih napadaju. Naravno, koliko je to glupo ili netacno, neka svako proceni za sebe. Pretpostavljam da proponenti teze o neverovatno dobrom otporu Ukrajinaca koji se smeju Rusima sto nisu zauzeli Ukrajinu za 3 dana umiru od smeha kad cuju tako nesto.
Ako mislis na Bericevu pricu, on to ne kaze u apsolutnom smislu, vec prica u kontekstu toga kako Ukrajinaca zapravo ima vise od trupa koje ih napadaju. Naravno, koliko je to glupo ili netacno, neka svako proceni za sebe. Pretpostavljam da proponenti teze o neverovatno dobrom otporu Ukrajinaca koji se smeju Rusima sto nisu zauzeli Ukrajinu za 3 dana umiru od smeha kad cuju tako nesto.
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