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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:52 pm

    Zovite onog Rusa sto je objasnio Markale.


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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:55 pm

    Putin Live, ima prevod na engleski



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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:57 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Mór Thököly wrote:



    Zveri

    Čekaj da vidimo o čemu se tačno radi i koja strana je gađala zgradu, možda je regrutni centar Azova.


    Ja nisam siguran da će NATO ulijetiati u Ukrajinu, ali ako uleti onda siguran sam da sa ruske strane slijedi taktička nuklearka.

    NATO za sad tanko pomaže i u hardveru.
    Nema razloga za takticku nuklearku dok se boj bije van granica Rusije. Dakle ako se ulazi na teritoriju Krima, takticka nuklearka, ako se ulazi na teritoriju Donbasa, takticka nuklearka. Ulazak u Lavov je "e hvala bogu da ne moramo da se tamo bijemo al cemo malo da pizdimo da ne bude bas ocigledno da nam je laknulo. Uostalom, to je ionako Poljska"/ 

    Ustvari, najvaznije je, za NATO, da se ne uspostavi alternativna vlast Ukrajine, koja ce tvrditi da u ime cele Ukrajine zahteva ujedinjenje sa Rusijom. Ako se to dogodi, u tom trenutku se otvara mogucnost za takticku nuklearku u slucaju ulaza NATO u Ukrajinu. Sve dok je to nicija zemlja, nema takticke nuklearke, samo pretnje.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:58 pm

    On a postivie note



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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Mar 03, 2022 5:59 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    fikret selimbašić wrote:

    Čekaj da vidimo o čemu se tačno radi i koja strana je gađala zgradu, možda je regrutni centar Azova.


    Ja nisam siguran da će NATO ulijetiati u Ukrajinu, ali ako uleti onda siguran sam da sa ruske strane slijedi taktička nuklearka.

    NATO za sad tanko pomaže i u hardveru.
    Nema razloga za takticku nuklearku dok se boj bije van granica Rusije. Dakle ako se ulazi na teritoriju Krima, takticka nuklearka, ako se ulazi na teritoriju Donbasa, takticka nuklearka. Ulazak u Lavov je "e hvala bogu da ne moramo da se tamo bijemo al cemo malo da pizdimo da ne bude bas ocigledno da nam je laknulo. Uostalom, to je ionako Poljska"/ 

    Ustvari, najvaznije je, za NATO, da se ne uspostavi alternativna vlast Ukrajine, koja ce tvrditi da u ime cele Ukrajine zahteva ujedinjenje sa Rusijom. Ako se to dogodi, u tom trenutku se otvara mogucnost za takticku nuklearku u slucaju ulaza NATO u Ukrajinu. Sve dok je to nicija zemlja, nema takticke nuklearke, samo pretnje.

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:00 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    fikret selimbašić wrote:

    Čekaj da vidimo o čemu se tačno radi i koja strana je gađala zgradu, možda je regrutni centar Azova.


    Ja nisam siguran da će NATO ulijetiati u Ukrajinu, ali ako uleti onda siguran sam da sa ruske strane slijedi taktička nuklearka.

    NATO za sad tanko pomaže i u hardveru.
    Nema razloga za takticku nuklearku dok se boj bije van granica Rusije. Dakle ako se ulazi na teritoriju Krima, takticka nuklearka, ako se ulazi na teritoriju Donbasa, takticka nuklearka. Ulazak u Lavov je "e hvala bogu da ne moramo da se tamo bijemo al cemo malo da pizdimo da ne bude bas ocigledno da nam je laknulo. Uostalom, to je ionako Poljska"/ 

    Ustvari, najvaznije je, za NATO, da se ne uspostavi alternativna vlast Ukrajine, koja ce tvrditi da u ime cele Ukrajine zahteva ujedinjenje sa Rusijom. Ako se to dogodi, u tom trenutku se otvara mogucnost za takticku nuklearku u slucaju ulaza NATO u Ukrajinu. Sve dok je to nicija zemlja, nema takticke nuklearke, samo pretnje.


    Ili na poziv same sadasnje ukrajinske vlade, u kom slucaju je cak i u skladu sa tzv medj. pravom.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:01 pm

    Ne, pa za Putina stvarno ne postoji razlog da stane u Ukrajini dok ne naidje na pravu vojsku i/ili pravi otpor. Zasto bi stao ako pobedjuje? To sto gubi tehniku i ljudstvo je OK - SSSR nikada nije zazalio sto im je u bitkama koje su dobijali ginulo po milion vojnika.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Guest Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:02 pm

    Kaže Putin sve ide po planu i rasporedu, a sada će da priča ministar odbrane.

    Izgleda da ovo nije prilika za objavljivanje nekih kolosalnih stvari nego neophodna komunikacija sa javnošću.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:04 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Nema razloga za takticku nuklearku dok se boj bije van granica Rusije. Dakle ako se ulazi na teritoriju Krima, takticka nuklearka, ako se ulazi na teritoriju Donbasa, takticka nuklearka. Ulazak u Lavov je "e hvala bogu da ne moramo da se tamo bijemo al cemo malo da pizdimo da ne bude bas ocigledno da nam je laknulo. Uostalom, to je ionako Poljska"/ 

    Ustvari, najvaznije je, za NATO, da se ne uspostavi alternativna vlast Ukrajine, koja ce tvrditi da u ime cele Ukrajine zahteva ujedinjenje sa Rusijom. Ako se to dogodi, u tom trenutku se otvara mogucnost za takticku nuklearku u slucaju ulaza NATO u Ukrajinu. Sve dok je to nicija zemlja, nema takticke nuklearke, samo pretnje.


    Ili na poziv same sadasnje ukrajinske vlade, u kom slucaju je cak i u skladu sa tzv medj. pravom.

    Da, ko Rusi u Siriji. Samo je ovde ulog puno veći nego u Siriji.


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    Post by MNE Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:07 pm

    Solus_Rex wrote:Bio je intel juče da će proglasiti ratno stanje sa širim ovlašćenjima dok se rat ne okonča.
    U ostalim vestima:

    Residents of Moscow and St. Petersburg started buying up weapons. Hunting guns and ammunition are disappearing from shops.

    Representatives of three major gun shops told Base that after February 24 there has been a big rush. According to our interlocutors, there are "queues for firearms like in supermarkets" and in just a few days "everything normal" has left the range.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:11 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Ne, pa za Putina stvarno ne postoji razlog da stane u Ukrajini dok ne naidje na pravu vojsku i/ili pravi otpor. Zasto bi stao ako pobedjuje? To sto gubi tehniku i ljudstvo je OK - SSSR nikada nije zazalio sto im je u bitkama koje su dobijali ginulo po milion vojnika.

    Ima on sad Belorusiju za to. Nije (samo) to. Poenta je - da bi se lakse mogle skinuti sankcije jednom, nekad, onda ne moze Putin sad bas da 100% dobije sta hoce (drugo je pitanje sta stvarno hoce). Zato mislim da nije iskljuceno da.posle serija "nemilih scena" u Natou kazu "ok, dosta je bilo, spasimo sta se spasti moze". Ne kazem da ce se to desiti, ponavljam, ali - ne bih iskljucio.
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    Post by kondo Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:16 pm

    neMiLe SCenE


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:16 pm

    Pa meni je to sada, danas, mnogo verovatnije nego juče ili bilo kog dana od pocetka agresije. Zasto? Jer je Putin rekao da ide jako do samog kraja. Ako je tako, pre ili kasnije ce neko u Nato reci “bolje front sa Rusima u dubini teritorije Ukrajine nego na granici sa Poljskom”.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:18 pm

    Ima jis jedna stvar - niko ne zzeli da se Putinova Ukrajina granici i sa Poljskom i sa Slovackom i sa Madjarskom i sa Rumunijom.
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    Post by Filipenko Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:23 pm

    Iz moda "samo što se Rusi ne raspadnu" ste do moda "šta ako se graniči sa 5 Nato zemalja" veoma brzo došli za moj ukus. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 27 29297947
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    Post by Solus_Rex Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:24 pm

    Putin addresses the Council:

    1. Families of the dead will be paid a lump sum of 7,421,000 roubles.

    2. In addition, there will be an additional payment of 5,000,000 roubles to the families of those killed.

    3. Russian servicemen who have been wounded in the fighting in Ukraine will receive 3,000,000 roubles each.

    4. "The Russian army has provided humanitarian corridors in all areas of fighting, but the nationalists refuse to do so".

    5. "Now on Ukrainian territory our soldiers and officers are fighting for Russia, for a peaceful life for the citizens of Donbass. For the denazification and demilitarisation of Ukraine. So that no anti-Russia, created for years by the West near our borders, would threaten us. Including with nuclear weapons, as has been the case recently."

    Putin: "I am a Russian and, as they say, I have Ivan and Mary in my family, but when I see examples of such heroism as the feat of young Nurmagomed Gajimagomedov, a native of Dagestan, a Lak ethnicity, and other soldiers, I want to say:

    "I am a Lak, I am a Dagestani, I am a Chechen, an Ingush, a Russian, a Tatar, a Jew, a Mordvin, an Ossetian. It is impossible to list all the ethnic groups in Russia, but I am proud that I am part of this world, part of the mighty, multinational world of Russia.

    The president announced the first award of the title of Hero of Russia for fighting in Ukraine. The title was awarded posthumously to Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov. Gadzhimagomedov is a native of Dagestan (Lakec by nationality).

    27. II 2022.
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:29 pm

    Solus_Rex wrote:
    Putin addresses the Council:

    1. Families of the dead will be paid a lump sum of 7,421,000 roubles.

    2. In addition, there will be an additional payment of 5,000,000 roubles to the families of those killed.

    3. Russian servicemen who have been wounded in the fighting in Ukraine will receive 3,000,000 roubles each.

    4. "The Russian army has provided humanitarian corridors in all areas of fighting, but the nationalists refuse to do so".

    5. "Now on Ukrainian territory our soldiers and officers are fighting for Russia, for a peaceful life for the citizens of Donbass. For the denazification and demilitarisation of Ukraine. So that no anti-Russia, created for years by the West near our borders, would threaten us. Including with nuclear weapons, as has been the case recently."

    Putin: "I am a Russian and, as they say, I have Ivan and Mary in my family, but when I see examples of such heroism as the feat of young Nurmagomed Gajimagomedov, a native of Dagestan, a Lak ethnicity, and other soldiers, I want to say:

    "I am a Lak, I am a Dagestani, I am a Chechen, an Ingush, a Russian, a Tatar, a Jew, a Mordvin, an Ossetian. It is impossible to list all the ethnic groups in Russia, but I am proud that I am part of this world, part of the mighty, multinational world of Russia.

    The president announced the first award of the title of Hero of Russia for fighting in Ukraine. The title was awarded posthumously to Nurmagomed Gadzhimagomedov. Gadzhimagomedov is a native of Dagestan (Lakec by nationality).

    27. II 2022.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:33 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Iz moda "samo što se Rusi ne raspadnu" ste do moda "šta ako se graniči sa 5 Nato zemalja" veoma brzo došli za moj ukus. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 27 29297947

    Ja nikad nisam rekao da ce se rusi raspasti sad odmah. Oni ce to tradicionalno, na rate.
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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:41 pm

    Zanimljiv pregled situaciji, pogotovu jer dolazi sa ruske strane


    03 March 2022 - Igor Strelkov's report of the military situation in Ukraine

    Southern front
    There have been no significant changes.

    Russian troops are continuing to operate in Voznesensk deep in mainland Ukraine.

    The Ukrainian army is blowing up the bridges over the Southern Bug (Buh) River. They have been ordered to retreat to its west bank. Only pro-Ukrainian "territorial defense" militias not the regular army, will remain on the east side.

    [CIG addendum: looking on a map, this means the army is abandoning Nikolaev/Mykolaiv and Voznesensk in order to reinforce the defenses of Odessa, and possibly the Black Sea coastline at Ochakov]

    Even though there is little to no organized Ukrainian defensive line in most of the southern front, Russian troops in this region sorely lack the strength to conduct offensive operations and have hardly enough to consolidate and maintain control over the area behind their lines. However, the Ukrainian civil authorities in Krivoy Rog (Kryvyi Rih) still intend to evacuate.

    The Russian Black Sea Fleet demonstrated in the port of Odessa, scaring the Ukrainian army command there and tying them down.

    In the Zaporozhya province, manpower is also too low to conduct further significant operations; most troops are passing through and being routed to the Donbass.

    Donbass front
    The battles with encircled Ukrainian army units continue at Volnovakha. The fight is wrapping up and most of the strategic locations in the town are under our control.

    However, Volnovakha is delaying the operation on Mariupol, and both the Donetsk and Lugansk militias have taken very serious casualties, largely unreported.

    The Ukrainian army is still entrenched in Severodonetsk in order to cover their eventual retreat, but they are being outflanked even from the north now, with the Lugansk militia taking Krasny Lyman (for those who doubt, I have personally confirmed the liberation of Krasny Lyman, says Strelkov!) An advance on Slavyansk and Izyum is theoretically possible, but unlikely because of obstacles created by the Seversky Donets river.

    [CIG addendum - Igor Strelkov was the supreme military commandant of the insurgent Russian revolution in Slavyansk which persisted from April to July 2014, the very first battle of the Donbass war. He has first hand experience with the Slavyansk region, so we trust his judgement of it 1000%.]

    Central front
    Street fights continued in Kharkov. I have no choice but to express my incredible confusion over why direct infantry assaults have been conducted on the city for four straight days while it is still not surrounded! The enemy is still in full control of highways leaving the city from the south: those to the towns of Zmiiv, Merefa, and Chuhuiv, and it has been moving troops and bringing reinforcements to the Kharkov front along those very roads! The city will not be taken today. A significant part of Kharkov is now under Ukrainian military occupation, and the rest of it is controlled by no one at all.

    Sumy and Chernigov are still surrounded and mainly controlled by pro-Ukrainian citizen militias with a few scattered army units.

    Russian convoys continue to arrive in the Brovary area, the eastern suburbs of Kiev. But the offensive is nearly ready. In the coming days, perhaps even later today, they will begin moving south to Boryspil, encircling the eastern side of Kiev.

    Conclusions
    Most fronts are quieting down, and the offensives that are still going on are moving at a slow pace.

    The mistakes made in Kharkov mean that the Ukrainian army in Donbass probably cannot be cut off.

    There is a lack of reserves and a delay in reinforcements in both the north and the south.

    My last words are "so many missed opportunities.


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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:48 pm

    Pregovori:
    Medinsky said that an agreement had been reached on humanitarian corridors for the exit of the civilian population.


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    Post by Solus_Rex Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:50 pm

    @Eroš
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:01 pm

    U medjuvremenu, broj zrtava u Černihovu se popeo na 33. 

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:13 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Iz moda "samo što se Rusi ne raspadnu" ste do moda "šta ako se graniči sa 5 Nato zemalja" veoma brzo došli za moj ukus. Rat u Ukrajini - Page 27 29297947
    Sledeci potez je razracunavanje sa domacim izdajnicima.   Rat u Ukrajini - Page 27 1225759126


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:25 pm

    Notxor wrote:
    Central front
    Street fights continued in Kharkov. I have no choice but to express my incredible confusion over why direct infantry assaults have been conducted on the city for four straight days while it is still not surrounded! The enemy is still in full control of highways leaving the city from the south: those to the towns of Zmiiv, Merefa, and Chuhuiv, and it has been moving troops and bringing reinforcements to the Kharkov front along those very roads! The city will not be taken today. A significant part of Kharkov is now under Ukrainian military occupation, and the rest of it is controlled by no one at all.

    (1) Vukovar, put iz grada kroz kukuruze, JNA ga iz nekog razloga dugo ne zatvara.

    (2) Dve interesantne stvari:

     - Ukrajinska armija je u stvari okupatorska armija. Ovaj lik je stvarno u tripu da je godina 1943-4 i da se bore protiv pro-nacisticke pro-nemacke vlade koja strelja Jevreje i sovjetske patriote.

    - Kad bih bio siguran da on dovoljno dobro vlada engleskim jezikom da razume da reci "now" i "still" nisu sinonimi, zakljucio bih da se dogodila neka kontraofanziva ukrajinskih jedinica koja je povratila deo Harkova.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”

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