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    Post by kondo Sat Dec 11, 2021 3:58 pm

    Mór Thököly wrote:Vakcine vise nisu tu da eliminisu pandemiju nego da sprece smrt i raspad sistema.


    Da li je realno da si postao glas optimizma na ovoj temi? Jedini!


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:40 pm

    Shabir Madhi, 19h, 8 tweets, 2 min read
    Reflecting on SA experience with Omricon thus far in Gauteng - the epicentre in SA. 1. Rate of increase per capita much quicker than any of previous three waves. Strongly suggestive of more transmissible than even delta. 2. Positivity rate 30-40% in some settings. 
    3. Three weeks into resurgence, many adults and children testing SARS-CoV-2 pos in hospital , but COVID hospitalisation remains low relative to community case rate. High % (30%) women in labour coincidentally testing positive. Also,most children testing pos are coincidental Ix. 
    4. Death rate very low compared to period of same case rate in previous waves. Trend over next week will be informative, but optimistic unlikely to surge. 5. Study in SA and elsewhere confirm omicron 5 fold more antibody evasive than beta., hence many breakthrough and re-Ix. 
    6. Attenuation of clinical course of illness. Likely explanation is the 73% of population in Gauteng with previous infection and/or vaccine induced underpinning T cell immunity, since omicron largely antibody evasive. Hospitalisation for severe Covid mainly in unvacccinated 
    7. Unfortunate still delay rollout of 3rd Pfizer dose to older than 60yrs and immuncompromised. Little value doing so after the wave has already peaked probably in next 2 weeks. Likewise no 2nd dose for ALL single dose JJ recipients inexcusable with 15 million vaccines in depot. 
    8. Health facilities under pressure due to infections in staff, needing to go into isolation for 10’days- despite the isolation (and quarantine) recommendations being outdated and probably obsolete in context of underpinning immunity and widespread infection. 
    9. IF downturn in infection rate and no massive surge in hospitalisation and death in the next 2-3 weeks, may well mark turning point in pandemic, particularly since SA not boosting to prevent infection and mild illness like HIC are doing (at cost exacerbating vaccine inequity) 
    10. Gvt response correctly remains measured by not increasing restrictions and not panicking with increase in cases, but seem to rather focussing on COVID ( excluding coincidental Ix) hospitalisation and health facility capacity. 11. Lastly, vaccine coverage still lagging. 
    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1469391700925857797.html
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Dec 11, 2021 4:55 pm

    U Britaniji se zvanično detektovani slučajevi omikrona trenutno dupliraju za 1,7 dana, a ne za 2-3 kako tvrde političari.



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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:29 pm

    kondo wrote:
    Mór Thököly wrote:Vakcine vise nisu tu da eliminisu pandemiju nego da sprece smrt i raspad sistema.


    Da li je realno da si postao glas optimizma na ovoj temi? Jedini!

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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:30 pm

    mislim da nije čitao temu Virus - Page 10 3697983
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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:34 pm

    ne znam braćo i sestre...dok ovo ne udari u sredovečne i starije nevakcinisane ili neadekvatno vakcinisane, nećemo znati na čemu smo, ali polako postajem vrlo umereni optimista. moguće je da je to ona varijanta koju sam ovde više puta prizivao.
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    Post by Guest Sat Dec 11, 2021 6:39 pm

    teško je za procenu, nemamo još podatke kako je kad udari na nebranjeno, a traje kratko za neku bolju statistiku

    ja sve vreme navijam da je tako, ali mislim da se virus ne potresa mnogo oko toga

    mene je najviše poguralo na tu stranu kada sam pročitao za common cold mutaciju, zaboravio sam kako se zove naučno, ali se radi o genima koji nisu originalno nađeni ni u alfi, beti...delti, nego su ubačeni kada je došlo do razmene genetskog materijala između sars cov2 i nekog od starih korona virusa
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:24 pm

    Biće gomila bolesnih, to je 100%. Kao nikad do sad od 2020. Ali izgleda, izgleda...da nećr biti prateći broj umrlih. Koliko...who knows
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:44 pm

    Da, po onome što dosad znamo, reklo bi se da će s ovim sojem većina zemalja proći dobro. Nadam se samo da mi nećemo biti u onoj manjini koja neće, ako je bude.

    I ostaje veliko pitanje šta će doći posle ovog supermutanta, tj. hoće li se stvari privoditi kraju ili sledi neki opasniji.
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Dec 11, 2021 7:54 pm

    Definitivno prolazi talas u Gautengu, danas za 27% manje novih slučajeva nego prošle subote.

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    https://twitter.com/nicd_sa/status/1469726363783512068
    https://twitter.com/nicd_sa/status/1467176901844377602
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:17 pm

    ECDC kaže da od potvrđenih slučajeva niko nije umro dosad u EU/EEA i da su svi slučajevi za koje su dostupne informacije bili asimptomatski ili blagi.
      
    All cases for which there is available information on severity were either asymptomatic or mild. There have been no Omicron-related deaths reported thus far. These figures should be assessed with caution, as the number of confirmed cases is too low to understand if the disease clinical spectrum of Omicron differs from that of previously detected variants.

    Country/Region: EU/EEA Total
    Confirmed cases: 732
    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/epidemiological-update-omicron-variant-concern-voc-data-11-december-2021
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:39 pm

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    Post by lalinea Sat Dec 11, 2021 9:59 pm

    rumbeando wrote:ECDC kaže da od potvrđenih slučajeva niko nije umro dosad u EU/EEA i da su svi slučajevi za koje su dostupne informacije bili asimptomatski ili blagi.
      
    All cases for which there is available information on severity were either asymptomatic or mild. There have been no Omicron-related deaths reported thus far. These figures should be assessed with caution, as the number of confirmed cases is too low to understand if the disease clinical spectrum of Omicron differs from that of previously detected variants.

    Country/Region: EU/EEA Total
    Confirmed cases: 732
    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/news-events/epidemiological-update-omicron-variant-concern-voc-data-11-december-2021
    A sta je bilo sa ono dvoje dece i jednom odraslom.osobom koji su navodno bili teze bolesni negde u nemackoj?


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    Post by MNE Sat Dec 11, 2021 10:32 pm

    nije samo do soja već i do toga što sada manje više svako već ima neki imunitet što prirodno što od vakcine odnosno memorijske ćelije brzo stvore antitijela, da se omikron pojavio kad i alfa bila bi drugačija priča
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Dec 12, 2021 1:15 am

    Izgleda da se i u Ontariju brzo širi.



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    Post by Guest Sun Dec 12, 2021 2:42 am

    @hjelle_brian tvrdi da je case fatality rate politizovan, kada je u pitanju omikron

    ne mogu sad da kopiram tvit
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Dec 12, 2021 3:33 pm

    U Novom Južnom Velsu hospitalizovan 1 od 55 dosad otkrivenih slučajeva omikrona (10 u zadnjih 24 sata).

    NSW Health on Sunday announced the first Omicron admission to hospital in Australia since the variant landed in late November.

    There were another 10 confirmed cases of the new strain identified in the 24 hours to 8pm last night, taking the total number of Omicron cases in NSW to 55.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-12/nsw-covid-19-first-omicron-case-in-hospital/100693638
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Dec 12, 2021 4:55 pm

    1239 novih slučajeva omikrona danas u Britaniji, skoro dupliranje u odnosu na juče.

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    https://twitter.com/nicolasberrod/status/1470041993086648331

    Ukupan broj slučajeva je skoro 13 puta veći nego pre nedelju dana (3137 vs 246)

    https://twitter.com/UKHSA
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:18 pm

    To ce kod nas da krene masovno malo pre 25. dec. Kad pocnu da pristizu sa "privremenog" rada u inostranstvu
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    Post by rumbeando Sun Dec 12, 2021 6:39 pm

    Ovo gore su sekvenciranjem potvrđeni uzorci (niti se svi pozitivni testovi sekvenciraju, niti su podaci sveži, pošto je potrebno nekoliko dana za ovaj postupak). London je već sad verovatno na preko 50% omikrona pošto je 8.12. bio na 34%, a cela država na preko 10% pošto je sam London danas dao 20% svih pozitivnih. Dakle, tamo negde u sredu-četvrtak omikron će po svoj prilici biti dominantna varijanta u celoj Britaniji.

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