Virus

Turul madár wrote:kakvo vakcinisanje sanjaš, još par stotina hiljada ljudi ako uspeju to je to. sve ostalo bez prisile i druge motivacije je nemoguće. nemanjićizam i zatucanizam vladaju septičkom jamom. 

govnari i dalje neće da ucene ovih 60 ili koliko evra što će se deliti vakcinacijom

Erős Pista wrote:

MNE wrote:pa u čemu je problem nek puste sve pa ko nema potvrdu da nije vakcinisan nek čeka u redu ispred bolnice

Da li je moguce da jos uvek ne kapiras kako radi masovna imunizacija.

Broj zaraženih pada nešto brže, ogromna je razlika u odnosu na prethodnu nedelju. Ako nastavimo tim tempom ima šanse za dalje ukidanje mera i slobodniji život", rekao je Vučić.

Sotir wrote:

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Ajde da prestanemo da se nadamo da toplo vreme skodi virusu. Dosta je sto smo se zajebali proslog leta.

Мање боравка унутра, последица топлијег времена.
Моћи ће да раде баште локала, што није могло јесенас.
Боље проветравање канцеларија.

MNE wrote:

Turul madár wrote:čovek lepo kaže da leto nema nikakav poseban uticaj što je i potvrđeno u praksi i kod nas i na mestima sa mnogo toplijim vremenom. šta je tu tačno panika?

jok more prošlog ljeta je i kod nas i kod vas opterećenje zdravstvenog sistema bilo nisko, evo kod nas smanjili i broj testiranih duplo jer ima mnogo manje simptomatskih slučajeva, redova ispred DZ više nema iako smo vakcinisali samo 1% populacije od kojih većina nije stekla imunitet

pošto se virus prenosi 99% samo u zatvorenom prostoru čim više ljudi boravi na otvorenom virus se manje prenosi, čista logika jbg

MNE wrote:ne možeš na otvorenom da pokupiš dovoljnu količinu patogena da zapatiš infekciju, ne računam tu autistične mongoloide na stadionu koji se sat i po dernjaju jedni drugima za vrat

rumbeando wrote:Beše u najvećem delu Latinske Amerike zima kad je u Evropi leto?

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:

MNE wrote:ne možeš na otvorenom da pokupiš dovoljnu količinu patogena da zapatiš infekciju, ne računam tu autistične mongoloide na stadionu koji se sat i po dernjaju jedni drugima za vrat

Ne seri vise, ljubi te brat.

Sotir wrote:

rumbeando wrote:Beše u najvećem delu Latinske Amerike zima kad je u Evropi leto?

Је ли беше у Европи лето од јуна до септембра?
А Европа означена плавом бојом, скроз горе, на овом графикону?

Шта можемо видети из тог графикона?
Да је можда током лета, упркос врло малом имунитету, било мало случајева вируса?

bemty wrote:

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:

Ne seri vise, ljubi te brat.

ograda da je 20% slucajeva bilo nepoznatog porekla, ali onih 80% poznatog porekla su skoro potpuno prenosom u zatvorenom prostoru. a to se jako dobro poklapa sa raznim drugim podacima i spekulacijama strucnjaka oko transmisije.

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Aha, pa ti se u stvari nadas da ce leto 2021 u Evropi biti kao leto 2020 u Evropi a ne kao leto 2020 u Severnoj ili leto 2021 u Juznoj Americi. Pa tako kazi: od 3 ponude biras onu koja odgovara tvom narativu, kao kad covek od 3 pari cipela izabere one koje mu se najvise slazu uz pantalone i kosulju.

bemty wrote:tek svaki hiljaditi slucaj vodi poreklo preko kontakta spolja

Outdoor transmission accounts for 0.1% of State’s Covid-19 cases

Just 262 cases traced to outdoor activities since pandemic began, official figures reveal

Just one confirmed case of Covid-19 in every thousand is traced to outdoor transmission, new figures reveal.

Of the 232,164 cases of Covid-19 recorded in the State up to March 24th this year, 262 were as a result of outdoor transmission, representing 0.1 per cent of the total.

There were 42 outbreaks associated with outdoor gatherings, with one community outbreak accounting for seven cases.

This involved an outdoor work activity which took place between two separate families, according to the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC) which monitors case numbers in the Republic.

There were 21 outbreaks on construction sites with 124 cases, and 20 outbreaks associated with sporting activities and fitness in which there were 131 cases.

The HPSC data, provided in response to a query from The Irish Times, was based on “locations which are primarily associated with outdoor activities, ie outdoor sports and construction sites, or outbreaks that specifically mention in comments that an outdoor location or activity was involved”. The HSPC said, however, that it “cannot determine where transmission occurred”.

In addition 20 per cent of all cases in the State result from community transmission where the source of the infection is not known.

The relatively low numbers of cases resulting from outdoor transmission in the Republic is mirrored in international studies. A study of 1,245 cases in China found only three people were infected outdoors and they were in conversation without masks. According to a review by the University of California of five global studies of transmission, the chances of getting Covid-19 in an indoor setting is 19 times greater than outdoors.

At the University of Canterbury, Prof Mike Weed studied 27,000 Covid-19 cases based on 6,000 different pieces of data. One study was of 7,500 cases in China and Japan before lockdown in both of those countries. The number of cases associated with outdoor transmission was “so small to be insignificant”, he discovered.

Risk management

Prof Weed said outdoor gatherings are safe if accompanied by proper risk management. For example, crowds could be allowed at sporting events if rules are observed around congregating in indoor venues beforehand.

“Our conclusion is that in many sectors, and for many sizes and formats, it should be possible to put appropriate evidence-based mitigations in place to deliver outdoor events and activities in a way that does not escalate the risk from sporadic transmission to cluster outbreak,” he said.

Ed Lavelle, a professor of biochemistry at Trinity College Dublin, said the findings were “really great news and back up a lot of the evidence from the United States” which showed that outside activities are inherently safe.

He added that the big issue was not the outdoor activity, but what happened either side of it.

“We have not had the numbers until now for what is safe and what is not safe and how you can control it. It’s been hearsay to this point,” he said. “Having coffee shops outside would be very safe. For me, the key thing is what happens after the outdoor activity.”

Assistant professor at University College Dublin’s school of architecture Prof Orla Hegarty said it is difficult for the HPSC to measure outdoor transmission as construction and sport can be both outdoor and indoor.

She said outdoor risk is low “if people keep physical distance, avoid close conversation and take great care that shared transport and shared toilets are very well ventilated – and that they stay a very short time and wear masks in them.

“During Spanish flu people were advised to talk side by side, rather than face to face, and this is borne out by how viral particles have been measured moving in the air when people breath and speak.

“The risk of infection is low outdoors because unless you are up close to someone infected, most of the virus will likely be blown away and diluted in the breeze, like cigarette smoke.”

The Government is allowing outdoor sports activities from April 26th including the opening of pitches, golf courses and tennis courts.

Outdoor visitor attractions such as zoos and heritage sites can reopen and some outdoor retail will recommence from May 5th.

Minister for Tourism Catherine Martin, along with Fáilte Ireland, has announced the establishment of a €17 million fund where businesses serving food can apply for funding to help pay for more outdoor seating.

Grants will average at about €4,000 for each premises and can cover expenses incurred since last April.

San Saba Songbird wrote:

Možemo videti i da je najveći karantin u istoriji sveta privremeno ali drastično smanjio transmisiju u Evropi.
Ima tu svega, i posledica karantina i voljnog smanjenja kontakata u zatvorenom prostoru i rada od kuće i nošenja maski i distanciranja i trajnog zatvaranja mesta gde se ljudi tradicionalno okupljaju. 

bemty wrote:

Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:

Ne seri vise, ljubi te brat.

zapravo, u irskoj su pomocu track and trace sistema bas neki dan izasli sa podatkom da tek svaki hiljaditi slucaj vodi poreklo preko kontakta spolja. a bas su pratili tipa radnike na gradilistima i tome slicno. ja sam im rekla nemojte da objavljujete ovo, ispasce da je mne u pravu, ali nisu me poslusali. ograda da je 20% slucajeva bilo nepoznatog porekla, ali onih 80% poznatog porekla su skoro potpuno prenosom u zatvorenom prostoru. a to se jako dobro poklapa sa raznim drugim podacima i spekulacijama strucnjaka oko transmisije. u pocetku su recimo mislili da su kontaktne povrsine kljucne i bila je velika prica oko pranja ruku ali to izgleda da uopste nema veze.