EU - what's next?

Mór Thököly wrote:Zasto bi oni, ili bilo ko, smanjivali ako na primer potpuno izbaci ruski gas iz upotrebe?

Mór Thököly wrote:Sve sto treba da kazu nemcima je - fiskalna unija. Ne solidarnost izmedju drzava, nego izmedju gradjana EU. Jer drzave su sistemski naherene na nesolidarnost, taka im priroda.

Anduril wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:Sve sto treba da kazu nemcima je - fiskalna unija. Ne solidarnost izmedju drzava, nego izmedju gradjana EU. Jer drzave su sistemski naherene na nesolidarnost, taka im priroda.

Ovo su uobicajene igre u okviru EU. 
Jeste, mogu Spanci da kazu nije nas briga, ali isto tako mogu Nemci da kazu, videcemo sta ce biti sa sledecih EU budzetom ako nam padne industrija. 
Demokratija - konstantni sukobi interesa i pronalazenje kompromisa. 
Problem je vise kad se na to gleda kao na nesto lose i nelegitimno, a ne kao na uobicajen proces koji je do sada dao sasvim OK rezultate.
Mediji naravno vole da duvaju te razlike i sukobe, a izvan EU i kod raznih desnicara vlada uglavnom sentiment da komsiji crkne krava i Schadenfreude.

Spain rejects EU proposal to cut gas consumption by 15% with a jibe that was overused by Merkel officials during the eurozone crisis: "Unlike other countries, we Spaniards have not lived beyond our means from an energy point of view" https://t.co/CMqhFVUN5S

— Bojan Pancevski (@bopanc) July 20, 2022

Mór Thököly wrote:Ali cela ideja da, ajd sad svi po 15% - je potpuno blesava.

Mór Thököly wrote:Ali cela ideja da, ajd sad svi po 15% - je potpuno blesava.

EUROPSKE zemlje koje ne ovise o ruskom plinu moraju pokazati solidarnost s onima koje su prisiljene uložiti napore za štednju zbog nadolazećih prekida isporuke, rekla je predsjednica Europske komisije Ursula von der Leyen. "Čak i zemlje članice koje gotovo ne kupuju ruski plin ne mogu izbjeći učinke potencijalnog prekida opskrbe na našem unutarnjem tržištu", rekla je Von der Leyen za agenciju dpa uoči posebnog sastanka ministara energetike Unije planiranog za utorak.
Gospodarstva EU usko su isprepletena, rekla je, naglasivši da će plinska kriza u nekom obliku pogoditi svaku državu članicu. "Zato je važno da sve države članice zauzdaju potražnju, da sve skladište više i dijele s onim članicama koje su više pogođene", rekla je Von der Leyen.
Njezina je izjava uslijedila nakon kritika Španjolske i Portugala na račun plana za izvanredne situacije s plinom koji je predložila Komisija. Portugalska vlada nazvala je plan "neodrživim" i rekla da je njezina potrošnja plina "apsolutna potreba".
Plan Europske komisije poziva sve države EU da dobrovoljno smanje svoju potrošnju plina za najmanje 15 posto između 1. kolovoza i 31. ožujka, dajući joj mogućnost i za određivanje daljnjeg smanjenja potrošnje u slučaju ozbiljne krize s plinom.
Unatoč protivljenju s nekih strana, Von der Leyen je izrazila uvjerenje da će prijedlozi na kraju dobiti potporu. "Sigurna sam da su ministri energetike (...) svjesni svoje odgovornosti", rekla je, dodajući da EU treba isplesti sigurnosnu mrežu kako bi svi sigurno prebrodili sljedeće dvije zime.

EU countries seek exemptions to Brussels’ plans to cut gas demand
Pushback against commission proposal to reduce Russian dependence some member states see as too stringent


European governments are attempting to water down Brussels’ plans to push the bloc into cutting gas demand to better weather a shortage of Russian supplies this winter.

Diplomats from the 27 EU member states have been locked in negotiations since the European Commission proposed measures last week requiring countries to cut gas use by 15 per cent from next month. The plan prompted bickering over the size of the target and whether Brussels had the power to make it binding. It needs to be approved by member states at a meeting of energy minister this week.

In a draft proposal seen by the Financial Times, EU countries have suggested that, while a voluntary target could be standardised across the bloc, compulsory targets should take into account each state’s dependency on Russian gas as well as the amount they have managed to funnel into storage.

The reduction should also be less if a member state has extra gas it could supply to others in the EU either via LNG shipments or pipelines. Certain industries seen as critical to the single market should also be exempt, according to the draft.

“Member states should be free to choose the appropriate measures to reach the demand reduction,” the draft read.

Brussels has been agonising over how to prepare itself for a potential cut in energy supplies come winter, as Moscow weaponises gas deliveries in retaliation for European support for Kyiv in its war against Russia.

Before Moscow’s invasion, the EU was reliant on Russia for about 40 per cent, or 155bn cubic metres, of its gas but has since vowed to wean itself off these supplies by 2027.

Last week, the European Commission suggested that member states should aim to cut gas by 15 per cent over the next eight months compared with the average for the same period between 2017 and 2021.

The voluntary reduction target would be made mandatory if the commission deemed the energy crisis to have become sufficiently serious or if three member states requested that it change.

But EU governments — particularly from southern European states who have typically been less reliant on Russia — complained the commission had over-reached its powers and that a 15 per cent target was too high.

According to the draft alternative proposals, at least five member states would have to request a so-called “union alert” state that would prompt targets to become binding, while a majority of countries would have to approve the demand.

It also recommends countries have an extra month until the end of October to present their “national emergency” plans to the commission.

One EU diplomat described the draft compromise as “the mother of all opt-outs” given the number of exemptions that member states could claim.

The plan will be discussed at another meeting of EU ambassadors on Monday before it is put to an emergency meeting of energy ministers on Tuesday.