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    Post by паће Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:49 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    Filipenko wrote:Bas tako, kao da neko sa strane kroji kapu i naredjuje.

    No, to i ocekujem od demokratije.
    Jes vala, tako nešto se nikad ne bi dogodilo u severnoj Koreji, SFRJ ili bilo kom jednopartijskom sistemu.

    Баш као што и ја од сваке религије очекујем да кад тад изроди некакву инквизицију.


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    Post by Filipenko Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:03 pm

    Eh, kad se setim one lepe price iz Cinema Komunisto, o CIA agentima koji vracaju nekoliko hiljada dolara beogradskoj ambasadi uz pismeno obrazlozenje da je nemoguce potkupiti bilo koga, jer niko viseg ranga od portira bioskopa Jadran nije pristajao na saradnju EU  - what's next? - Page 28 3826186726

    Naravno, to su pedesete godine i isti ljudi koje je Gestapo molio desetak godina ranije da prestanu da potkazuju komsije, nemam ja nikakvih iluzija. Nego govori koliki je znacaj...finog vaspitanja. EU  - what's next? - Page 28 1225759126
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:12 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Eh, kad se setim one lepe price iz Cinema Komunisto, o CIA agentima koji vracaju nekoliko hiljada dolara beogradskoj ambasadi uz pismeno obrazlozenje da je nemoguce potkupiti bilo koga, jer niko viseg ranga od portira bioskopa Jadran nije pristajao na saradnju EU  - what's next? - Page 28 3826186726

    Naravno, to su pedesete godine…
    … kada je JBT dobio naoružanje od Amerike i ugovorio vojni savez za Grckom i Turskom, jedinim NATO članovima na Balkanu… EU  - what's next? - Page 28 3579118792


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Filipenko Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:34 pm

    Hahahaha jeste a i potpisao dogovor sa Staljinom o ulasku i izlasku Crvene armije EU  - what's next? - Page 28 3579118792

    I oborio americke avione nad Slovenijom i oterao britanske brodove iz Splita topovima EU  - what's next? - Page 28 3579118792


    Mislim, mozemo tako do prekosutra...Kakve veze ima s kim je drzava imala dogovor ako nije davala da je iznutra iko busi? To je ko da se podsmevamo Milosu sto je potkupljivao turske pase. Imali smo i silne sporazume sa Moskvom, pa kad su hteli da preuzmu nasu drzavu od nas, radio je otok.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:13 am

    Pa smešno je jer od 29.5. 1953 Amerikancima nisu trebali špijuni, Joško je legao na rudu.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jul 06, 2022 1:56 am

    Šta se tog dana bitno desilo (osim što de Hilari popeo na Mont Everest)?
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Jul 06, 2022 5:41 am

    Balkanski pakt (1953)


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Jul 06, 2022 7:35 am

    Da, isto kao sto Hitleru nije trebao SSSR jer je Staljin legao na rudu.

    U realnom svetu, naravno da Joska nije pricao Amerima sve sto planira i zeli, niti im davao informacije o svojoj zemlji i stanju o njoj, a kamoli Grcima i Turcima s jedne strane, a s druge strane naravno da su Amerikanci spijunirali i spijuniraju i svoje najvece saveznike (Engleze, Francuze), ukljucujuci i one koji su okupirani (Nemci, na primer) i da i oni pokusavaju da neke bitne informacije sacuvaju od svojih prijatelja i sponzora, manje ili vise uspesno.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Jul 06, 2022 3:23 pm

    Manje više jasno je svima, osim tebi, da kada jednom udješ u kolo sa Amerikancima njihove potrebe da te špijuniraju esksponencijalno opadaju, jer imaju mnogo više zvaničnih kanala za komunikaciju sa vlastima.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jul 06, 2022 4:37 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Balkanski pakt (1953)

    To je izvikani a bezvezni događaj, bez političkih posledica. Inače je sporazum u sebi sadržao klauzulu kojom su obaveze međusobne odbrane bile razdvojene od veza G i T unutar NATOa. Kad su otoplili odnosi Tita i Moskve godinu i kusur kasnije sporazum je postao mrtvo slovo na papiru, da ne pominjem brzo pogoršanje G i T odnosa u istom periodu.

    U vezi špijuniranja (posebno vojske) Ameri su mogli da se koriste svojom  posebnom vojnom misijom pri ambasadi koja se bavila distribuiranjem i nadzorom isporučene američke vojne pomoći, koja je imala oko 100 ljudi.To je potrajalo do kraja dekade, kad sezavršilo sa tom pomoći.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:44 pm

    aj kad struka kaže onda je to tako.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:41 pm

    https://twitter.com/fbieber/status/1544578438404706304?t=0zkDP0YMnGrX_wmOwPP_tQ&s=19
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    Post by Notxor Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:52 pm

    Samo oštro!



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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:10 pm

    LEAK: EU drafts plan to reduce gas consumption ahead of uncertain winter
    By Kira Taylor | EURACTIV.com 13:04 (updated:  13:24)

       
    The European Commission is drafting plans to help EU countries reduce fossil gas demand and, if necessary, curtail consumption in the face of “a likely deterioration of gas supply outlook” this winter, according to leaked policy proposals seen by EURACTIV.

    Over the past few months, gas supplies from Russia have declined in a “deliberate attempt to use energy as a political weapon”, driving energy prices higher and raising concerns about whether Europe will have enough supply to get through the next winter.

    Already, supply to the Baltic States, Poland, Bulgaria and Finland has stopped. Supply to Germany, Denmark, the Netherlands and Italy has been reduced and flows through Nord Stream 1, the largest import route to the EU, have been cut by 60%.

    “There is no reason to believe this pattern will change. Rather, a number of signals, including the latest decision to reduce further supply to Italy, point to a likely deterioration of gas supply outlook,” the Commission says in a new policy document, seen by EURACTIV.

    The policy document, due to be published on Wednesday (20 July), has a self-explanatory title: “Save gas for a safe winter”.

    While the EU tabled plans in May to phase out Russian fossil fuels and strengthen its security of supply, full energy independence from Moscow was not envisioned until 2027 at best. Now the EU needs to prepare for the “sizeable risk” of a complete halt of Russian gas supplies this year, the Commission warns.

    The EU’s security of gas supply regulation adopted in 2017 defines three national crisis levels: “Early Warning”, “Alert” and “Emergency”.

    The EU is currently at the early warning stage, but on 20 July, it will move to the alert stage, the document says.
    This means “there is concrete, serious and reliable information that an event likely to result in significant deterioration of the gas supply situation may occur and is likely to lead to the emergency level being triggered in several Member States.”

    This situation requires instruments that reduce gas demand, increased daily monitoring and information, measures for industry to reduce demand, switching from gas to other fuels and obliging public buildings to limit heating to 19°C and cooling to 25°C unless not technically feasible.

    Demand reduction plan

    According to the draft policy document, the EU gas system has “more than compensated” for the 25 billion cubic metres (bcm) of reduced Russian gas imports, with 35 bcm of additional liquified natural gas and pipeline gas imported from elsewhere.

    However, according to simulations by European gas transmission system operators (ENTSOG), a full disruption of Russian gas supplies would “likely result” in the EU falling short of its 80% storage target, possibly “as low as 65% to 71%”, leading to a gap of 20 bcm during the winter.

    This means several EU countries would risk “running very low by the end of winter,” making it challenging to replenish supplies for the following year.

    To anticipate this, the Commission’s proposed ‘demand reduction plan’ looks at cutting gas consumption by protected groups, like consumers and key services, as well as unprotected groups like industry. It also looks at more extreme curtailment measures if the situation becomes critical.

    “Coordinated action now will be more cost-effective and less disruptive to our daily lives and to the economy than impromptu action later when gas supplies could be running low,” reads the leaked draft.

    ‘Protected’ consumers urged to contribute as well

    Under the 2017 Gas Security of Supply Regulation, vulnerable consumers who “do not have the means to ensure their own supply” are protected under EU law. This definition covers private households, essential social services and small businesses.

    The regulation also introduced a solidarity mechanism whereby EU countries “must help each other to always guarantee gas supply to the most vulnerable consumers” even in severe gas supply situations.

    But while citizens are protected, the European Commission outlines gas-saving measures that can be taken to avoid curtailments in other sectors.

    This includes “large savings” in heating by using gas saving campaigns targeted at households, including turning down thermostats by 1°C and mandating the reduced heating of public buildings, offices and commercial buildings to 19°C.

    The European Commission also calls on EU countries to look at switching the fuel used for electricity production away from gas, including coal and nuclear power.

    In words seemingly aimed at Germany, it calls on EU countries to postpone their nuclear phase-out plans where technically feasible, saying these national decisions “need to take into account the impact on the security of supply on other Member States”.

    The EU executive admits that temporarily switching from gas to coal “may increase emissions” and that renewables remain the top priority. And it also highlights a temporary relaxation of industrial emission rules to grant more leeway to industry.

    Turning to industry, the Commission lays out measures that countries can use to incentivise demand reduction while limiting damage to society and the economy.

    These include auctions or tender systems to incentivise industrial consumers to reduce consumption, possibly at the cross-border level.

    Other measures include “interruptible contracts”, a flexibility measure with pre-determined financial compensation for gas volume reduction during disconnection and calling on companies to use contractual swaps to move production to regions less exposed to supply shortages.

    Planning for disruption

    After measures like this have been exhausted, EU countries “may need to start curtailing partially or fully specific consumer groups” identified in the “emergency” stage of their national crisis plans.

    Prioritisation of sectors is likely to differ between EU countries, but “it is advisable, to include the impact on health, food, safety and environment, security, and defence in their national prioritisation,” the leaked document says.

    The demand reduction plan gives guidance to governments on how to determine which sectors to prioritise, with four considerations:
    - “Societal criticality”: how important the sector or product is to society, particularly when it comes to health, safety, environment and security.
    - “Cross-border supply chains”: to what extent the product is part of cross-border supply chains and would disrupt the smooth provision of essential societal services at the EU level.
    - “Substitution and reduction possibilities”: whether fossil gas can be replaced or energy savings measures can be used.
    - “Damage to installations”: what damage could be caused to industrial tools in the case of a temporary shut down and the cost of repair. This particularly looks at sectors that need to run continuously, like parts of the medical industry, pharmaceuticals, chemical processes, glass and steel.

    One way of prioritising could be to look at the product level, rather than the sector. For instance, not all glass production would be prioritised, but glass for food containers, vials and syringes and renewable infrastructure might be, the document suggests.

    The policy documents to be presented on Wednesday will help coordinate measures taken by EU countries in the event of a full-blown gas crisis. But industry sources contacted by EURACTIV say these are just guidelines. The real test will be whether governments will implement them and uphold the EU single market, they caution.

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/leak-eu-drafts-plan-to-reduce-gas-consumption-ahead-of-uncertain-winter/
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:01 pm

    Italian PM Mario Draghi announces his resignation after government loses backing of populist coalition partner https://t.co/4SVgFDRp1w
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:07 pm

    Del Cap wrote:Italian PM Mario Draghi announces his resignation after government loses backing of populist coalition partner https://t.co/4SVgFDRp1w


    Москва. 14 июля. INTERFAX.RU - Премьер-министр Эстонии Кая Каллас (Kaja Kallas) заявила в четверг о намерении уйти в отставку.


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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jul 14, 2022 7:12 pm

    maaa, to je nešto drugačije


    HELSINKI (AP) — Estonia’s president on Thursday asked Prime Minister Kaja Kallas to form a new government after she tendered the resignation of her one-party minority Cabinet, ending a more than month-long political stalemate in the Baltic nation.

    President Alar Karis said in a tweet after meeting with Kallas that “I signed the resignation request of Prime Minister @kajakallas but also asked her to form a new government which could start working quickly and deal with all important issues of Estonian life.”

    Estonia’s government crisis culminated in early June as Kallas, leader of the ruling center-right Reform Party, kicked out the left-leaning Center Party from the two-party coalition. The parties had substantial differences over spending and welfare policies amid increasing Estonian household costs because of high inflation.

    The inflation rate in Estonia, a member of the European Union and NATO whose population is 1.3 million people, is now the highest in the 19-nation eurozone, with annual inflation hitting 22% in June, according to Eurostat, the EU statistics agency. High energy prices are one of the main causes of inflation in the Baltic nation.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:58 pm

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    Post by Del Cap Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:44 pm

    neće biti dovoljno gasa, mora da se štedi

    The European Commission today proposed emergency legislation that would allow Brussels to impose 15 percent binding gas consumption cuts on EU countries over the next two years.

    "The recent escalation of disruptions of gas supply from Russia points to significant risk that a complete and protracted halt of Russian gas supplies may materialise in an abrupt and unilateral way," the Commission said in a memo accompanying the proposal. "Taking action now can reduce both the risk and the costs for Europe in case of further or full disruption."

    The regulation would set an initial voluntary 15 percent reduction target for gas use between August 1 and March 31.
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    Cut gas use by 15 percent, Brussels tells EU countries – POLITICO
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Jul 20, 2022 9:27 pm

    Hoce li se od nas traziti da se i sa ovim usaglasimo, kao i sa spolnom™ politikom EU?
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    Post by plachkica Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:41 am

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    Post by Guest Thu Jul 21, 2022 6:35 am

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jul 21, 2022 7:28 am

    Zasto bi oni, ili bilo ko, smanjivali ako na primer potpuno izbaci ruski gas iz upotrebe?
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:08 am

    plachkica wrote:

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:13 am

    Sve sto treba da kazu nemcima je - fiskalna unija. Ne solidarnost izmedju drzava, nego izmedju gradjana EU. Jer drzave su sistemski naherene na nesolidarnost, taka im priroda.

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