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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:08 pm

    nije sad tu faktor toliko koliko izrael

    u tom smislu podrzavam nuklearni iran


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    Post by шумидер-модер Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:11 pm

    Shane J. Maddock wrote:The Ideal Number of Nuclear Weapons States Is One
    Уједно и наслов првог поглавља:
    The Quest for American Atomic Supremacy from World War II to the Present
    Nuclear Apartheid: the quest for American atomic supremacy from World War II to the present
    2010, The University of North Carolina Press


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:18 pm

    шумидер-модер wrote:али шта је поента рецимо овог

    Poenta je da ne možeš u post da ugradiš tvit iz niza, a da ti ne prikaže i onaj iznad.
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    Post by Guest Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:47 pm

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/swiss-back-channel-helped-defuse-u-s-iran-crisis-11578702290

    Swiss Back Channel Helped Defuse U.S.-Iran Crisis
    The U.S. sent an encrypted fax via the Swiss Embassy in Tehran urging Iran not to escalate, followed by a flurry of back and forth messages

    By Drew Hinshaw, Joe Parkinson and Benoit Faucon
    Updated Jan. 11, 2020 5:04 am ET


    BERN, Switzerland—Hours after a U.S. strike killed Iranian Maj. Gen. Qassem Soleimani, the Trump administration sent an urgent back channel message to Tehran: Don’t escalate.

    The encrypted fax was sent via the Swiss Embassy in Iran, one of the few means of direct, confidential communication between the two sides, U.S. officials said.

    In the days that followed, the White House and Iranian leaders exchanged further messages, which officials in both countries described as far more measured than the fiery rhetoric traded publicly by politicians.

    A week later, and after a retaliatory Iranian missile attack on two military bases hosting American troops that inflicted no casualties, Washington and Tehran seemed to be stepping back from the brink of open hostilities—for now.

    “We don’t communicate with the Iranians that much, but when we do the Swiss have played a critical role to convey messages and avoid miscalculation,” a senior U.S. official said.

    A spokesman at Iran’s mission to the United Nations declined to comment on the exchanges but said “we appreciate [the Swiss] for any efforts they make to provide an efficient channel to exchange letters when and if necessary.”

    One Iranian official said the back channel provided a welcome bridge, when all others had been burned: “In the desert, even a drop of water matters.”

    From the Swiss Embassy, a Shah-era mansion overlooking Tehran, the country’s role as a diplomatic intermediary has stretched through four turbulent decades and seven presidencies, from the hostage crisis under Jimmy Carter to Barack Obama’s nuclear deal. It has seldom been tested like this.

    The Americans’ first note was sent immediately after Washington confirmed the death of Gen. Soleimani, the most important figure in Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, the U.S. officials said.

    It arrived on a special encrypted fax machine in a sealed room of the Swiss mission—the most enduring method since the 1979 Islamic Revolution—for the White House to exchange messages with Iran’s top leadership.

    The equipment operates on a secure Swiss government network linking its Tehran embassy to the Foreign Ministry in Bern and its embassy in Washington, say Swiss diplomats. Only the most senior officials have the key cards needed to use the equipment.

    Swiss Ambassador Markus Leitner, a 53-year-old career diplomat, delivered the American message by hand to Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif early on Friday morning, according to U.S. and Swiss officials.

    Mr. Leitner, reached by email, declined to comment. The Swiss Foreign Ministry confirmed there had been an exchange of messages, but declined to comment further.

    Mr. Zarif responded to the U.S. missive with anger, according to an official familiar with the exchange. “[U.S. Secretary of State Mike] Pompeo is a bully,” he said, according to one U.S. official briefed on Mr. Zarif’s response. “The U.S. is the cause of all the problems.”

    The Swiss ambassador regularly visits Washington for closed-door sessions with Pentagon, State Department and intelligence officials eager to tap his knowledge about Iran’s opaque and fluid politics.

    Mr. Leitner spent the days after Gen. Soleimani’s killing shuttling back and forth in a low-key but high-wire diplomatic mission designed to let each side speak candidly. It was a contrast to the jabs of President Trump and Mr. Zarif on Twitter.

    On Jan. 4, the day after the killing, Mr. Trump tweeted that he had picked out 52 targets, including Iranian heritage sites for potential retaliation if America suffered losses. “Those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD,” the tweet said.

    Mr. Zarif replied the next day: “A reminder to those hallucinating about emulating ISIS war crimes by targeting our cultural heritage,” he wrote. “Through MILLENNIA of history, barbarians have come and ravaged our cities, razed our monuments and burnt our libraries. Where are they now? We’re still here, & standing tall.”

    That same day, Mr. Zarif called the Swiss ambassador to take a message to the U.S. It was more restrained, according to the U.S. officials. Statements from both sides helped prevent miscalculations, the officials said.

    “When tensions with Iran were high, the Swiss played a useful and reliable role that both sides appreciated,” said a senior Trump administration official. “Their system is like a light that never turns off.”

    The Swiss have served as messengers between Washington and Tehran since 1980, in the wake of the seizure of the American Embassy—and 52 hostages —in Tehran by Iranian revolutionaries. Swiss diplomats call the role the “brieftrager” or “the postman.”

    In the years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Swiss shepherded messages to help avoid direct clashes. When President Obama assumed office, Switzerland hosted the talks that led to a nuclear deal. When Washington lifted sanctions, Swiss businesses had an early jump on rivals.

    When Mr. Trump reimposed sanctions, he gave the Swiss a phone number to pass the Iranians, saying: “I’d like to see them call me.”

    So far, Tehran has continued to speak through the Swiss.


    Former Swiss ambassadors say the diplomatic channel is effective because the U.S. and Iran can trust a message will remain confidential, be delivered quickly, and will reach only its intended recipients. Statements passed on the back channel are always precisely phrased, diplomatic, and free of emotion, they said.

    Landlocked Switzerland, a country of nine million with no standing army, parlays its role as “postman” to lever access to the great powers.

    Currently, Swiss diplomats are working to get Washington’s green light for Swiss banks to finance exports to Iran that aren’t subject to sanctions—like food and medicine.

    “We do things for the world community, and it’s good,” said a former ambassador. “But it is also good for our interests.”

    Iran isn’t the only geopolitical hot spot where the Swiss Embassy represents U.S. or other countries’ interests after the breakdown of diplomatic relations.

    The Swiss now holds six mandates including representing Iran in Saudi Arabia, Georgia in Russia and Turkey in Libya. In April 2019, the Trump administration asked Bern to represent it in Venezuela but President Nicolás Maduro’s government has yet to approve.

    As tensions between Washington and Tehran have escalated, the channel has remained active. In December the two countries released prisoners at the same time at a special hangar in the Zurich airport.

    U.S. special envoy on Iran Brian Hook and Iran’s Mr. Zarif sat in separate rooms as the Swiss directed the carefully choreographed exchange.

    “The Swiss channel has become enormously important because of what they can do in the short term to lessen tensions,” said former New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, who worked with the Swiss on the prisoner exchange. “It’s the only viable channel right now.”
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    Post by Zuper Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:53 pm

    Pa dobro to sam napisao ranije, jasno je da postojao dogovor jer nije bilo dejstva pvo SAD, civilini avioni su normalno leteli(zbog cega se desilo obaranje)... jasno je da su SAD dale Iranu zeleno svetlo da kao svete djenerala.
    To je logicno, SAD ne zele nikakav veci rat jer veci rat znaci Kina napred.
    SAD zele da uvuku Kinu u rat a ne da oni udju u neki veci sukob.
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    Post by Zuper Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:55 pm

    Ono sto je meni cudno kod obaranja, doduse sada nije, je da su SAD cutale dva dana iako su imali dokaze za obaranje.
    Ocigledno su pokusali da zataskaju a onda su zbog izjava iz Teherana i spasavanja redova Boinga promenili pricu.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:04 pm

    Kakve veze ima Boing.


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    Post by Zuper Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:07 pm

    Ima veze jer je Boing u velikim problemima zbog padova neispravnih aviona i ne treba im jos jedan takav.
    Koliko se secam kada je objavljena vest u SAD medijima da je oboren raketom akcije su skocile...kasnije su nastavile neki svoj put ali reakcija govori da ima znacaja.
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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:12 pm

    Ali kakve veze ima s tim sto su Ameri navodno "pokusali da zataskaju".


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    Post by шумидер-модер Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:34 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    шумидер-модер wrote:али шта је поента рецимо овог

    Poenta je da ne možeš u post da ugradiš tvit iz niza, a da ti ne prikaže i onaj iznad.
    То припиши мом небаратању твитером.
    Него ми реци одакле и зашто Кремљ?
    Тек да зли момци буду постројени и на броју, или онако, омакло се?


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    Post by шумидер-модер Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:37 pm

    William Murderface wrote:Kakve veze ima Boing.
    Па има: све док је постојала и најмања могућност да је омануо Боинг, а будући да су у задње време навикли на омањивање, можда је за јавност ипак било паметније ћутати.
    На страну то што и да су имали као што вероватно јесу нешто електронских записа који би потврдили верзију о ракетном обарању, не би истрчавали са тим да не би компромитовали сопствене изворе и методе.


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:52 pm

    Zato što je RT na nemačkom tvrdio da su snimci i rekonstrukcije lažni i da se protiv Irana koristi isti narativ kao protiv Rusije, pri čemu je dat primer Bildovog izveštavanja o rušenju aviona, a čiji je urednik taj tviteraš.

    Video snippets and "secret service sources": How to build propaganda narratives against Iran and Russia?
    https://deutsch.rt.com/international/96662-videoschnipsel-und-geheimdienstquellen-propaganda-gegen-russland-iran/ (na nemačkom)
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    Post by шумидер-модер Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:42 pm

    rumbeando wrote:Zato što je RT na nemačkom tvrdio da su snimci i rekonstrukcije lažni i da se protiv Irana koristi isti narativ kao protiv Rusije, pri čemu je dat primer Bildovog izveštavanja o rušenju aviona, a čiji je urednik taj tviteraš.

    Video snippets and "secret service sources": How to build propaganda narratives against Iran and Russia?
    https://deutsch.rt.com/international/96662-videoschnipsel-und-geheimdienstquellen-propaganda-gegen-russland-iran/ (na nemačkom)
    Прочитах, у праву си, извињење, до мене је и неразумевања како ради Твитер.


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:46 pm



    Parole koje se uzvikuju:
    "We hadn't our loved ones killed to support killer Khamenei"
    "IRGC be ashamed & leave our country"
    "Sepahi (IRGC) be ashamed & leave my country"
    "Death to Dictator (Khamenei)"
    "Death to this Velayat (Khamenei's leadership) over these years of genocide"

    Izvor: https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1216004739932073984 i tvitovi u nastavku
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    Post by Guest Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:23 pm

    lep vam je taj račun, bilo bi šteta da mu se nešto desi

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    Post by boomer crook Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:34 pm

    rumbeando wrote:

    Parole koje se uzvikuju:
    "We hadn't our loved ones killed to support killer Khamenei"
    "IRGC be ashamed & leave our country"
    "Sepahi (IRGC) be ashamed & leave my country"
    "Death to Dictator (Khamenei)"
    "Death to this Velayat (Khamenei's leadership) over these years of genocide"

    Izvor: https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1216004739932073984 i tvitovi u nastavku

    ne zeleci da branim jedna teokratija ipak je ovo trenutno nemoguce kod saudijaca i njihovih saveznika. bez obzira na pucanje po demonstrantima i sve to.


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    Post by Filipenko Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:41 pm

    Gargantua wrote:lep vam je taj račun, bilo bi šteta da mu se nešto desi



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    Post by паће Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:26 pm

    Filipenko wrote:
    Gargantua wrote:lep vam je taj račun, bilo bi šteta da mu se nešto desi



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    У туђим рукама само курац расте...


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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:07 am

    Iranci malo hapsili britanskog ambasadora. 

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uk-ambassador-iran-arrested-tehran-protest-rob-macaire-a9280116.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1578782677
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    Post by MNE Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:15 am

    uh kršenje diplomatskog imuniteta je veliki no-no
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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:19 am

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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:32 am

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    Post by Erős Pista Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:51 am

    The intensity and length of the crisis means that accid­ents are likely to happen, as demonstrat­ed by what appears to have been the un­intentional shooting down of a Ukrain­ian passenger plane. At the same time, Trump and his administration are peculiarly ill-equipped to judge the likely outcome of any escalation of the conflict, or predict how the Iranians are likely to respond. This makes blundering into war a more than usually likely outcome.
    https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v42/n01/extra2/patrick-cockburn/blundering-into-war


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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:30 am

    kakav skorcezeovski lik


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