Rat u Ukrajini

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Rat u Ukrajini

 by Del Cap Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:40 am

Up to 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers are being killed or wounded each day in the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine, with 200 to 500 killed on average and many more wounded, a top Ukrainian official said on Wednesday.

The big picture: President Volodymyr Zelensky said on June 1 that 60 to 100 Ukrainian troops were being killed daily as Russia stepped up its Donbas offensive. Over the past two weeks that number has climbed significantly according to David Arakhamia, who leads Ukraine's negotiations with Russia and is one of Zelensky's closest advisers.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Del Cap Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:46 am

What Ukraine lacks, Arakhamia contended, is the weaponry and ammunition to match Russia in "one of the biggest fights of the 21st century." He said: "We have the people trained to attack, to counterattack, but we need weapons for this."

"Our negotiating position is actually quite weak, so we don't want to sit at the table if we are in this position. We need to reverse it in some way," Arakhamia said, stressing the need for a counter-operation to regain lost territory.
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In a roundtable Wednesday at the German Marshall Fund, Arakhamia and other members of the delegation noted that while Biden had signed a $40 billion package to aid Ukraine in May, it was only very gradually translating into actual weapons shipments.Meanwhile, Ukraine's partners — particularly in Europe — are beginning to focus on replenishing their own stockpiles rather than arming Ukraine, Arakhamia said. He noted that the German government was still very reluctant to approve export licenses to arm Ukraine, perhaps due to "internal fear" of Russia.
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The Ukrainian negotiator said Russia was largely insulated from sanctions due to high oil prices, but would feel the full effects in three or four years. "The question is if we (Ukraine) are still here in three or four years to enjoy the show."

https://www.axios.com/2022/06/15/ukraine-1000-casualties-day-donbas-arakhamia

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:04 am

Svabe se boje da im ne zatore gas skroz, Izmedju ostalog

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Zus Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:46 am

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Bleeding Blitva Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:46 pm

Mislim da su jučer i prekjučer stanjili isporuku plina upravo Njemačkoj i Italiji, a baš danas je trojac u Kijevu. Plus jučer su objavili rezultate istraživanja europskih zemalja koje su se svrstale u dva tabora: peace camp i justice camp, naginje se prema ovom prvom gdje su naravno Njemci i Talijani.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Guest Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:50 pm

Postmoderni trolerski 4D šah se nastavlja - sasvim uravnotežen zvaničnik sasvim normalne velesile:

European fans of frogs, liverwurst and spaghetti love visiting Kiev. With zero use. Promised EU membership and old howitzers to Ukraine, lushed up on gorilka and went home by train, like 100 years ago. All is well. Yet, it won’t bring Ukraine closer to peace. The clock’s ticking

— Dmitry Medvedev (@MedvedevRussiaE) June 16, 2022

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Filipenko Thu Jun 16, 2022 1:12 pm

pobeda je blizu...

Jebote, cak je i ovaj Ab-Azov gromada za Minhauzelenskog.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Thomas Sankara Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:50 pm

Postmoderni trolerski 4D šah se nastavlja - sasvim uravnotežen zvaničnik sasvim normalne velesile:

European fans of frogs, liverwurst and spaghetti love visiting Kiev. With zero use. Promised EU membership and old howitzers to Ukraine, lushed up on gorilka and went home by train, like 100 years ago. All is well. Yet, it won’t bring Ukraine closer to peace. The clock’s ticking

— Dmitry Medvedev (@MedvedevRussiaE) June 16, 2022

Kakva iskompleksirana odvratna šabančina. Pale & Han Pijesak lvl.
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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Erős Pista Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:53 pm

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"Oni kroz mene gledaju u vas! Oni kroz njega gledaju u vas! Oni kroz vas gledaju u mene... i u sve nas."

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Erős Pista Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:55 pm

Ali Medvedev je ono, streber koji ima drugara siledziju, pa se i on promangupirao.

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 by Thomas Sankara Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:56 pm

Ali Medvedev je ono, streber koji ima drugara siledziju, pa se i on promangupirao.

Totalno taj rad. Ali kakva je to država čoveče. Teša Tešanović bi bio međ razumnijima tamo

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Erős Pista Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:59 pm

Pa njima drzavnu ideologiju (a bojim se i spoljnu politiku) sad odredjuje ekipa iz Cirilice.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Filipenko Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:35 pm

Pise se da su Rusi zauzeli Stari Saltiv Saltov, gradic istocno od Harkiva Harkova na harkovskoj strani reke Severski Donjec. Ako je tacno, vrlo lako moze da se pretvori u direktan napad na grad sa istoka, a svakako je zanimljivo pomeranje fronta natrag ka Harkivu Harkovu i nije u skladu sa narativom da tamo Ukri kontrolisu sve zivo, granicu, prilaze i slicno.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Del Cap Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:39 pm

Biden told Austin, Blinken to tone down remarks supporting Ukraine: report
BY ELLEN MITCHELL - 06/16/22 9:04 AM ET


President Biden told Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Secretary of State Antony Blinken in April to tone down their rhetoric in supporting Ukraine in its war against Russia, NBC News reported Thursday.

The pushback reportedly came after the Pentagon chief said the Biden administration wanted Ukraine to win the war against the Kremlin and that the U.S. wanted a weakened Russia that could not launch another attack. Blinken then publicly aligned himself with Austin’s comments, sparking a flurry of news reports.  

“We want to see Russia weakened to the degree that it can’t do the kinds of things that it has done in invading Ukraine,” Austin said at the time after the Cabinet members visited Kyiv.

During a later conference call, Biden told the two officials he thought their remarks went too far and to tone them down, multiple current and former administration officials familiar with the call told NBC.  

One unidentified official told the network that Biden was concerned that Austin’s words could set unrealistic goals and up the chance Washington could get pulled into a direct conflict with Moscow.

“Biden was not happy when Blinken and Austin talked about winning in Ukraine,” one of the sources said. “He was not happy with the rhetoric.”

After a mismanaged and chaotic attack on Ukraine beginning on Feb. 24, Russia in mid-April consolidated its forces for an attack on the country’s eastern Donbas region.  

The fight has been bloody and is expected to turn into a protracted war, with President Volodymyr Zelensky pleading for more weapons to beat back the invasion and staying firm that no Ukrainian territory be ceded to Russia.

But U.S. officials are growing more worried that Ukraine’s views are untenable, saying behind the scenes the Ukrainian president should shift his public position and “dial it back a little bit,” one of seven current U.S. officials, former U.S. officials and European officials told NBC.

Experts, U.S. and European officials have voiced a belief that Russian President Vladimir Putin will attempt to claim the Donbas and declare it as Russian territory, with Zelensky then having to negotiate for peace to end the conflict.  

The Biden administration, meanwhile, has maintained that it will not pressure Kyiv to end the war on any specific terms and is preparing for a long war.  

“From the beginning, I’ve said and I’ve been — not everyone has agreed with me — nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine. It’s their territory. I’m not going to tell them what they should and shouldn’t do,” Biden said on June 3. “But it appears to me that, at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here. And what that entails, I don’t know.”

The Biden administration has also continued to send lethal aid to Ukraine, the most recent announced on Wednesday with a $1 billion military aid package.  

The Hill has requested comment from the State Department regarding NBC’s report. The Pentagon declined to comment.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Notxor Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:42 pm

Sad su se setili? Sad kad umire 200 Ukrajinaca dnevno?

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by rumbeando Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:54 pm

NBC News reported Thursday.

U originalnom NBC-jevom članku stoji i ovo:

Some officials want Zelenskyy to “dial it back a little bit,” as one of them put it, when it comes to telegraphing his red lines on ending the war. But the issue is fraught given that Biden is adamant about the U.S. not pressuring the Ukrainians to take steps one way or another. His administration’s position has been that any decision about how and on what terms to end the war is for Ukraine to decide.

“We are not pressuring them to make concessions, as some Europeans are. We would never ask them to cede territory,” one U.S. official said. “We are planning for a long war. We intend to prepare the American people for that, and we are prepared to ask Congress for more money.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/secretaries-defense-state-said-publicly-us-wanted-ukraine-win-biden-sa-rcna33826

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:06 pm

toning down je promena u posturingu, ne nuzno (moze ali ne mora) i u onome sto se radi na "terenu". Trump je nadaleko hvalio Putina i Rusiju. To je malo imalo veze sa tim sta konkretno US radi military-wise u ruskom susedstvu.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by fikret selimbašić Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:14 pm

Just Announced: I have sanctioned:

Patriarch Kirill, Head of Russian Orthodox Church & vocal supporter of Putin’s war

Enablers & perpetrators of Putin’s war who have brought suffering to Ukrainehttps://t.co/NBBxfwqd5t

— Liz Truss (@trussliz) June 16, 2022

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by rumbeando Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:42 pm

Ukrajinske vlasti zatražile su od 15.000 stanovnika Lisičanska, u luganskoj oblasti na istoku države, da momentalno napuste grad. Ali iako postoji samo jedan izlaz, mnogi odbijaju da ga prođu. pic.twitter.com/kXDWZr82lM

— Radio Slobodna Evropa (@RSE_Balkan) June 16, 2022

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Filipenko Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:46 am

https://twitter.com/BBCWillVernon/status/1537480256684277761

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Notxor Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:39 am

Ukrajinci su potopili ruski remorker koji je navodno prenosio nekakav teret na Zmijsko ostrvo.
Ukrajinci tvrde da je vojni, meni izgleda kao civilni.
https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/SB-739-SPASATEL-BEKH-IMO-0-MMSI-273542830

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Filipenko Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:58 pm

Cenis da je neki civil terao brod do strateski vaznog pustog ostrva usred rata? Sta bi tamo radio, gradio vikendicu?


Hoce li Rusi sada potopiti neke civilne remorkere u vlasnistvu Amerikanaca, buduci da su verovatno korisceni harpuni prilikom potapanja ovog broda?

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by Notxor Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Otkud ja znam šta je ko tamo prevozio?
Srećom, ti si tu pa ćeš da objasniš.

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

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Re: Rat u Ukrajini

 by rumbeando Fri Jun 17, 2022 1:15 pm

12.6.2021.

Na Dan Rusije u Crnomorskoj floti dogodio se značajan događaj. Savremeni tegljač SB 739 dobio je ime "Spasilac Vasilij Beh" u čast počasnog vojnog specijaliste Rusije, koji je preminuo 27. januara 2021. godine.

Na spasilačkom tegljaču koji nosi njegovo ime, podižu se državna zastava i signalne zastavice. Na pristaništu u zalivu Strelecka nalaze se posade spasilačkih brodova Crnomorske flote, predstavnici komande, kolege i rođaci kapetana Vasilija Beha.

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