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    Post by MNE Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:03 pm

    kakve barjaktare gdje su im njihovi patrolni čamci
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    Post by Notxor Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:10 pm

    Jurnjava čamcima je 2d game. Avioni i dronovi su 3d protiv kojih 2d nema nikakve šanse.


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    Post by Del Cap Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:27 pm

    Russia taking 'operational pause' in Ukraine, analysts say
    Associated Press - 1h ago

    KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Foreign analysts say Russia may be temporarily easing its offensive in Ukraine as the Russian military attempts to reassemble its forces for a renewed assault.

    On Wednesday, Russian forces made no claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine “for the first time in 133 days of war,” according to the Institute for the Study of War. The think tank based in Washington suggested that Moscow may be taking an “operational pause” that does not entail "the complete cessation of active hostilities."

    “Russian forces will likely confine themselves to relatively small-scale offensive actions as they attempt to set conditions for more significant offensive operations and rebuild the combat power needed to attempt those more ambitious undertakings,” the institute said.

    A Thursday statement from Russia’s Defense Ministry seemed to confirm that assessment. It said Russian military units involved in combat in Ukraine were given time to rest.

    “The units that performed combat missions during the special military operation are taking measures to recover their combat capabilities. The servicemen are given the opportunity to rest, receive letters and parcels from home,” read the statement, quoted by Russian state news agency Tass.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:35 pm

    While I read, some Western intelligece services see a "pause in the Russian offensive", I see nothing like that happening, at least not in the east of Ukraine.
    Invasion forces keep pushing towards all key towns in Donetsk oblast with slow but steady success.

    There is no "pause", but heavy fighting in Donetk oblast and Russian invasion forces want to capture Siversk as quick as possible.
    This is spread on several of their propagada channels: https://t.co/Dijxpjp4RG
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Jul 08, 2022 1:04 pm

    ko će da preuzme rizik, igranka


    EU Bureaucracy Seen Blocking 1.5 Billion-Euro Loan to Ukraine
    Caution prevailing over Ukraine’s urgent needs, officials say
    Financial reliability the issue as Ukraine faces rising costs

    ByJorge Valero and Alberto Nardelli
    July 7, 2022 at 7:02 PM GMT+2

    The executive arm of the European Union is blocking a 1.5 billion-euro ($1.5 billion) loan for Ukraine as caution prevails over the country’s urgent needs, according to officials.

    The impasse amounts to a Catch-22 for Ukraine. The country is pushing for help to keep its economy afloat as it counters the Russian invasion, but has seen the proposed loan blocked by the European Commission’s budget unit because of concerns over its financial reliability, said the officials who declined to be named on a confidential issue.

    The European Investment Bank, the EU’s lending arm, offered the loan to Kyiv to support the war-torn nation as its faces mounting war costs and revenues collapse. The commission guarantees EIB loans for operations outside the EU, with provisions usually amounting to 9% of total funding.

    But in this case, the commission wants provisions at 70% of the total, as it did with a previous proposal of 1 billion euros for Ukraine, the officials said. The commission is making the demand in case the country cannot repay the funds to the markets, they said.

    A commission official said the EU needs to make sure that it can absorb losses in the event of a Ukrainian default. The commission is seeking alternative solutions, which rely on EU member states or on the EIB to share part of the additional risks associated with these loans, the official added.

    The EU itself has been struggling to agree on short-term financing to Ukraine to pay salaries and other current expenditure. The EU has already had to temporarily downgrade the amount of emergency funding it’s sending Kyiv, with last week’s proposal of 1 billion euros stalled as Germany blocks a larger package of nearly 9 billion euros.

    A number of the bloc’s allies privately criticized the EU at a donors conference in Lugano earlier this week for not delivering on its larger commitments of nearly 9 billion euros and called on it to do so urgently, the people said.

    The Finance Ministry in Kyiv is running out of financing options as the war drags on, leaving the country increasingly reliant on outside help. Ukrainian officials are exploring the possibility of debt restructuring as a way to lighten its burden while remaining on good terms with international investors.


    The commission has been pushing for weeks to get backing for the larger package to Ukraine, whose government is struggling to keep afloat financially as the Russian invasion destroys infrastructure and chokes the nation’s economy.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:25 pm

    Meni je super kad se neko posle pita "sta amerika radi u evropi", zasto ne moze Evropa to sama" itd.
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Jul 08, 2022 6:26 pm

    As caution prevails.


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    Post by Del Cap Fri Jul 08, 2022 10:42 pm

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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:05 am

    NAKON što je u intervjuu koji je dao njemačkom youtuberu Tilu Jungu opet hvalio Stepana Banderu, ukrajinskog nacionalista i kolaboracionista nacista u Drugom svjetskom ratu, ukrajinski veleposlanik u Njemačkoj Andrij Melnik povučen je s pozicije ambasadora.
    Melnika treba gledati u kontekstu ukrajinsko-njemačkog odnosa od početka rata u Ukrajini ove godine. Melnik je u više navrata otvoreno kritizirao i prozivao Njemačku za nedovoljno pomaganje Ukrajini te ju je prozivao za suradnju s Rusijom. Tada je rekao: "Činjenica da Scholz do sada odbija zaustaviti uvoz ​​energenata iz Rusije je nož u leđa Ukrajini." Kancelara Olafa Scholza nazvao je "uvrijeđenom mladom" (njem. liverwurst), a intelektualce koji pozivaju Kijev na pregovore – "gubitnicima".
    U Washington Postu izašla je izjava jednog njemačkog političara koji je htio ostati anoniman, koji je komentirao Melnikovu retoriku: "Njegovo uobičajeno ponašanje je izvan svojstva i zahtjeva veleposlanika. Ne možete kao veleposlanik svakodnevno napadati šefa vlade države." Melnik više nije uspijevao dobiti sastanak sa Scholzom, kao ni s njegovim savjetnikom za vanjsku politiku i sigurnost Jensom Plötnerom, unatoč svojim brojnim zahtjevima.
    Good riddance, da citiram jednu hrvatsku diplomatkinju pri brexitu Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 1233199462 , ne znam kako sad idu diplomatski kanali prema Njemačkoj...


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    Post by паће Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:33 am

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:
    ... Olafa Scholza nazvao je "uvrijeđenom mladom" (njem. liverwurst),...
    Good riddance, da citiram jednu hrvatsku diplomatkinju pri brexitu Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 1233199462 , ne znam kako sad idu diplomatski kanali prema Njemačkoj...

    Колико ми потврђују јандекс и гугао, liverwurst је јетрена паштета.
    Можда је млада мислила на lederwurst.


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    Post by Filipenko Sat Jul 09, 2022 10:36 am

    Neko je pitao sta ce Rusi nakon sto zavrse sa Donjeckom (ako zavrse, naravno). Upravo su formirali harkovsku oblast, ustanovili joj grb i zastavu, ustanovili vojno-civilnu administraciju, proglasili ruski jezik zvanicnim itd. Naravno, oni drze samo mali deo te oblasti, ali je indikator sta dalje zele jer sto bi se bavili ovim ako ne nameravaju da idu dalje.


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    Post by Del Cap Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:24 am

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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:34 am

    паће wrote:
    Bleeding Blitva wrote:
    Good riddance, da citiram jednu hrvatsku diplomatkinju pri brexitu Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 1233199462 , ne znam kako sad idu diplomatski kanali prema Njemačkoj...

    Колико ми потврђују јандекс и гугао, liverwurst је јетрена паштета.
    Можда је млада мислила на lederwurst.
    Vidi ovdje: The German language is full of sausage idioms, and this is one of the best. To act like an insulted liverwurst (sausage made from liver) means “to sulk or to pout”. So if someone tells you that “you have a bird”, do your best not to sulk, because you may face accusations of acting like a disgruntled sausage before you can even begin to defend yourself.
    Durica Rat u Ukrajini - Page 20 3937953091


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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:38 am

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    Post by Filipenko Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:51 am

    Ukrajinci danas porucili svima koji ostanu na "okupiranim teritorijama" da za njih nece biti humanitarnih koridora kada ukrajinske snage budu kretale u ofanzivu i preporucili su svima da beze.
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:59 pm

    Ukrajinci koji su se povukli iz Lisičanska pokazali ​​​​francuskoj TV oružje koje im je dala komanda da se bore protiv Rusa - mitraljez Maksim proizveden 1944, u čiju cev je potrebno usipati vodu radi hlađenja posle svakog pucanja i puškomitraljez DP-28 iz tridesetih.

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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:08 pm

    Ceo prilog (na francuskom, nisam našao da ga je engleska verzija France24 emitovala):

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    Post by Del Cap Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:39 pm

    fwiw


    https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/8/7357075/

    Reznikov has revealed how many soldiers defend Ukraine
    KATERYNA TYSHCHENKO – FRIDAY, 8 JULY 2022, 18:02

    At the moment due to mobilisation up to 700 thousand soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 90 thousand servicemen of the National Guard of Ukraine, nearly 60 thousand border guards and 100 thousand servicemen of the National Police are deployed.

    Details: Reznikov has reported that over a million people in uniform work for the sake of security and defence of Ukraine and called upon businesses to support this sector and invest into it more actively.

    He has also stated that due to military action, Ukraine has become a certain kind of a polygon where new kinds of armament and innovations are being used.

    "Today Ukraine is a huge polygon where tests will be conducted. This means there will be demand for new technologies, innovations and suggestions. There is already a real demand for joint enterprises, even if at first they will be located in the Eastern Europe countries or in the protected places in the West of Ukraine", – claimed Reznikov.

    He has stated that the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine is making sure Ukraine is supplied with modern armament and equipment of the NATO model such as artillery, armoured vehicles and weapons which will be in need of repairs and renovation.
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    Post by Sotir Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:01 pm

    Да имају 700к у војсци не би слали на критична места на фронту шаљу трећепозивце са пар недеља обуке.
    Или купили људе по локалима. Тако да нешто сумњам у ту цифру.
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:20 pm

    Vagner navodno vrbuje po zatvorima nudeći isključivo usmeno 3200 evra i amnestiju za 6-mesečno ratovanje u Ukrajini i 80.000 evra porodici u slučaju smrti.

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    Post by паће Sat Jul 09, 2022 5:25 pm

    Sotir wrote:Да имају 700к у војсци не би слали на критична места на фронту шаљу трећепозивце са пар недеља обуке.
    Или купили људе по локалима. Тако да нешто сумњам у ту цифру.

    Ја не сумњам толико у првих пет цифара, само у шесту.


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    Post by Notxor Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:33 pm

    Forreign Affairs

    Ukraine’s Implausible Theories of Victory
    The fantasy of Russian defeat and the case for diplomacy.

    As Russian forces gain ground in Ukraine, that country’s president and allies all seem to agree: Ukraine must fight on to victory and restore the prewar status quo. Russia would disgorge the territorial gains it has made since February. Ukraine would recognize neither the annexation of Crimea nor the secessionist statelets in the Donbas and would continue down the path toward membership in the EU and NATO.

    Spoiler:


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    Post by boomer crook Sat Jul 09, 2022 6:37 pm

    lol ukrajina da da sve a rusija da kaze dosta nam je. teski ustupci na obe strane.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Jul 09, 2022 7:43 pm

    Zahtevi Rusije u moljenju za mir se nece ticati samo UA
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    Post by Janko Suvar Sat Jul 09, 2022 8:43 pm

    ⚡Zelensky fires ambassadors to Germany, Hungary.

    President Volodymyr Zelensky on July 9 fired Ambassador to Germany Andriy Melnyk and Ambassador to Hungary Liubov Nepop.


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