Notxor wrote:Nisam ga dugo slušao pa sam zaboravio na GG gay voice.
A Taibi je pisao super tekstove za Rolling Stone, a pročitao sam i par njegovih knjiga koje sam zapamtio kao skroz ok i preporučivao prijateljima.
Šta je problem sad sa njim? Jel' ima neko par urlova da podeli da sad ne tražim po internetu?
Notxor wrote:
A Taibi je pisao super tekstove za Rolling Stone, a pročitao sam i par njegovih knjiga koje sam zapamtio kao skroz ok i preporučivao prijateljima.
Šta je problem sad sa njim? Jel' ima neko par urlova da podeli da sad ne tražim po internetu?
zvezda je zivot wrote:jebo tebe debilu
buffalo bill wrote:Aj što je jebo nas nego je jebo i Taibija.
Osoba br. 1 wrote:I’d have more sympathy for this point of view were it not so obvious that Marcuse’s embrace of the “persecuted colored races” was opportunistic afterthought. His real endgame is absolutist rule by our intellectual betters. Explaining that “the democratic argument implies a necessary condition, namely, that the people must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the basis of knowledge,” he goes on to prove that the broad main of people are not so capable. They lack the discernment to know the “objective truth which can be discovered,” to separate correct from incorrect, among other things because too many incorrect opinions are allowed to circulate.
Osoba br. 2 wrote:
It may be said, however, that even if the theoretical book-trained Socialist is not a working man himself, at least he is actuated by a love of the working class. He is endeavouring to shed his bourgeois status and fight on the side of the proletariat—that, obviously, must be his motive.
But is it? Sometimes I look at a Socialist—the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation—and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed. The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard. Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? Shaw himself declares that you can only bring a working man on the stage ‘as an object of compassion’; in practice he doesn’t bring him on even as that, but merely as a sort of W. W. Jacobs figure of fun—the ready-made comic East Ender, like those in Major Barbara and Captain Brassbound’s Conversion. At best his attitude to the working class is the sniggering Punch attitude, in more serious moments (consider, for instance, the young man who symbolizes the dispossessed classes in Misalliance) he finds them merely contemptible and disgusting. Poverty and, what is more, the habits of mind created by poverty, are something to be abolished from above, by violence if necessary; perhaps even preferably by violence. Hence his worship of ‘great’ men and appetite for dictatorships, Fascist or Communist; for to him, apparently (vide his remarks apropos of the Italo-Abyssinian war and the Stalin-Wells conversations), Stalin and Mussolini are almost equivalent persons. You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb’s autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which ‘we’, the clever ones, are going to impose upon ‘them’, the Lower Orders.
Летећи Полип wrote:
I btw, kada bi mi dve osobe, neosporno inteligentne i neostrašćene, u rasponu od sto jebenih godina daju istu opservaciju, pa ja bih se jebeno makar malo zapitao
Летећи Полип wrote:Iskoristio sam slobodno vreme usred ovog zla da se malo upoznam sa tzv frankfurtskom školom. From ima dosta dobrih uvida. Adorno je elitistički seronja, ali makar ima kičmu. Ovaj je čisto zlo, a la rani hrišćani.
I btw, kada bi mi dve osobe, neosporno inteligentne i neostrašćene, u rasponu od sto jebenih godina daju istu opservaciju, pa ja bih se jebeno makar malo zapitao:Osoba br. 1 wrote:I’d have more sympathy for this point of view were it not so obvious that Marcuse’s embrace of the “persecuted colored races” was opportunistic afterthought. His real endgame is absolutist rule by our intellectual betters. Explaining that “the democratic argument implies a necessary condition, namely, that the people must be capable of deliberating and choosing on the basis of knowledge,” he goes on to prove that the broad main of people are not so capable. They lack the discernment to know the “objective truth which can be discovered,” to separate correct from incorrect, among other things because too many incorrect opinions are allowed to circulate.Osoba br. 2 wrote:
It may be said, however, that even if the theoretical book-trained Socialist is not a working man himself, at least he is actuated by a love of the working class. He is endeavouring to shed his bourgeois status and fight on the side of the proletariat—that, obviously, must be his motive.
But is it? Sometimes I look at a Socialist—the intellectual, tract-writing type of Socialist, with his pullover, his fuzzy hair, and his Marxian quotation—and wonder what the devil his motive really is. It is often difficult to believe that it is a love of anybody, especially of the working class, from whom he is of all people the furthest removed. The underlying motive of many Socialists, I believe, is simply a hypertrophied sense of order. The present state of affairs offends them not because it causes misery, still less because it makes freedom impossible, but because it is untidy; what they desire, basically, is to reduce the world to something resembling a chessboard. Take the plays of a lifelong Socialist like Shaw. How much understanding or even awareness of working-class life do they display? Shaw himself declares that you can only bring a working man on the stage ‘as an object of compassion’; in practice he doesn’t bring him on even as that, but merely as a sort of W. W. Jacobs figure of fun—the ready-made comic East Ender, like those in Major Barbara and Captain Brassbound’s Conversion. At best his attitude to the working class is the sniggering Punch attitude, in more serious moments (consider, for instance, the young man who symbolizes the dispossessed classes in Misalliance) he finds them merely contemptible and disgusting. Poverty and, what is more, the habits of mind created by poverty, are something to be abolished from above, by violence if necessary; perhaps even preferably by violence. Hence his worship of ‘great’ men and appetite for dictatorships, Fascist or Communist; for to him, apparently (vide his remarks apropos of the Italo-Abyssinian war and the Stalin-Wells conversations), Stalin and Mussolini are almost equivalent persons. You get the same thing in a more mealy-mouthed form in Mrs Sidney Webb’s autobiography, which gives, unconsciously, a most revealing picture of the high-minded Socialist slum-visitor. The truth is that, to many people calling themselves Socialists, revolution does not mean a movement of the masses with which they hope to associate themselves; it means a set of reforms which ‘we’, the clever ones, are going to impose upon ‘them’, the Lower Orders.
Mrzi me sad da prelistavam i Popera, ali i tu itekako ima citata.
Ima, nađe se. Polip, uzmi Kolakowskog, da vidiš tu smiješnih citata. Adorno, profesorska napuhanost; Bloch, budala; ajmo dalje.Erős Pista wrote:Летећи Полип wrote:Iskoristio sam slobodno vreme usred ovog zla da se malo upoznam sa tzv frankfurtskom školom. From ima dosta dobrih uvida. Adorno je elitistički seronja, ali makar ima kičmu. Ovaj je čisto zlo, a la rani hrišćani.
I btw, kada bi mi dve osobe, neosporno inteligentne i neostrašćene, u rasponu od sto jebenih godina daju istu opservaciju, pa ja bih se jebeno makar malo zapitao:
Mrzi me sad da prelistavam i Popera, ali i tu itekako ima citata.
Sigurno ima.
Notxor wrote:Pročitao sam nekoliko Fromovih knjiga jer dobro piše, a Markuzea nisam čitao.
Našao sam prevod Represivne tolerancije koju Taibi pominje na kraju besplatnog dela teksta, ali, ako je istina da nema stila sigurno ga neću čitati.
The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms, like a cuttlefish squirting out ink.
Летећи Полип wrote:zvezda je zivot wrote:jebo tebe debilu
Sisaj kurac. On je i okupio bahate kretene kao što si ti.
boomer crook wrote:markuze se doslovce slaze sa tibijem i ovim "pravim levicarima". on je njihov samo oni to ne razumeju. adorno nije. from je rano-hriscanin.
, znas kolko je sati.
zvezda je zivot wrote:boomer crook wrote:markuze se doslovce slaze sa tibijem i ovim "pravim levicarima". on je njihov samo oni to ne razumeju. adorno nije. from je rano-hriscanin.
pa sad da je njihov - i nije. i nije da taibbi nije razumeo marcusea nego zna za koju publiku igra. znamo da je to o marcuseu ko uzroku sveg zla stari desnicarski trop od john birch societyja, koji zivi i dan danas na celom spektru od jordana petersona do dinesha desouze (ako sam mu dobro napiso ime).
misim ko kad neko citira postenog levicara orwella o staljinizmu i upravljanju odozgo re:marcuse
evo john wayne o jadnom herbu
Notxor wrote:Pročitao sam nekoliko Fromovih knjiga jer dobro piše, a Markuzea nisam čitao.
Našao sam prevod Represivne tolerancije koju Taibi pominje na kraju besplatnog dela teksta, ali, ako je istina da nema stila sigurno ga neću čitati.
Ferenc Puskás wrote:
Ima, nađe se. Polip, uzmi Kolakowskog, da vidiš tu smiješnih citata. Adorno, profesorska napuhanost; Bloch, budala; ajmo dalje.
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