Kapitalizam 101

Blind Lime Pie wrote:Kamo lepe sreće da to postoji

И онда кажу да на мрежи све може да се нађе. Тјах.

Baš nijedna kompanija nije to nikad obelodanila? Ni u prošlosti, tipa Marks dok je radio analizu u Britiš lajbreriju nije imao pristup tim podacima?

Подацима за 2000. и касније сигурно није могао да приђе. Змија ноге итд.

Тј ови што су на берзи морају то да прикажу јавно јер ем деоничари треба да знају, ем их и закон обавезује па хоћеш нећеш. Што је управо разлог зашто многе фирме ни не рачунају на берзу, боље им је овако, да нико не зна (не мора да, не сме да зна) шта они раде с парама.

Gazde ionako ne uzimaju profit svojih kompanija. Kompanije se uglavnom drze na nuli ili oko minusa, koliko se mora. Pare se izvlace preko povezanih agencija i lica. U Srbiji imas neverovatan slucaj da je kompanija oko nule sa profitom i sa prometom od 200 miliona i sa prometom od 900 miliona. To je, izmedju ostalog, i jedan deo razloga zasto je radna snaga u kurcu - ne mogu oni da naprave toliko para koliko gazda moze da izvuce preko 50+ agencija, a posto su stalno oko nule, njima plate stagniraju i posle par godina truda, covek prestane da se bakce.

Питање је шта газде раде са тим парама - колико се ту врати у привреду, колико оде на пиће и женске, а колико се напросто профућка.

ontheotherhand wrote:Baš nijedna kompanija nije to nikad obelodanila? Ni u prošlosti, tipa Marks dok je radio analizu u Britiš lajbreriju nije imao pristup tim podacima?

Public listed companies sve moraju da objave, trazi kompanijske annual reports.

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Romanian ‘Slaves’ in UK Denounce Police ‘Liberators’

UK police embarrassed after Romanian and Lithuanian farm workers freed in police swoop insist they were not ‘slaves’ and demand their jobs back.

Marcus Tanner BIRN London

A big police raid on farm in the west of England aimed at freeing 200 Romanian and Lithuanian “modern slaves” has turned into a PR debacle after the alleged slaves angrily marched on the regional police station to denounce the police action and demand their jobs back.

Modern slavery is a particular concern on UK Prime Minister Theresa May, and police in County Cornwall said they were acting on good intelligence when they descended en masse last Thursday on the farm at Manaccan village in south Cornwall, freed some 200 Romanians and Lithuanians and detained the farm owners.

But the much-hyped news of the police action promptly turned in an unexpected direction when about 100 of the freed Romanians and Lithuanians went by bus to the regional police station in Camborne to demand their boss and jobs back, and condemn the whole operation on local TV.

The Romanian spokesperson for the group, who called herself Marina Alina Florentina, said they had been coming to work on the farm for four or five years from January to March to pick daffodils, resented being called “slaves” – and did not want to be “freed”.

Others said they earned up to, and over, 200 pounds a day doing the intensive seasonal work in Cornwall before returning to Romania and the Baltic states – which, if true, is way above the average.

Average pay for unskilled work in the UK, in retail and hospitality, is normally closer to 50 pounds a day, or about eight pounds and hour.

“Our boss has been arrested and we think he has done nothing wrong. We have very good conditions,” Marina said.

The PR side of the operation began to unravel after media descended on the farm, expecting scenes of horror, only to find an unexceptional vista of plain but neat-looking heated caravans where the workers were housed.

One of the “freed” workers told the UK Daily Mail: “Of course we aren’t slaves kept here, we’re workers. In Lithuania it is very hard to find work, and it is bad money and very hard jobs. I earn in a day here what I would in a week at home.”

Defending the operation, the Police Chief of Devon and Cornwall Counties, Shaun Sawyer, has told the media that police acted on legitimate concerns, adding that 14 of the 200 workers had, in fact, requested assistance to leave.

While the operation in Cornwall appears to have gone awry, experts say modern slavery is a serious problem in the UK, involving thousands of people, mainly from Eastern Europe and the Africa, being trafficked into the UK each year, often to work as prostitutes, or to work for minimal pay in occupations such as car washes.

kućni crnja vs crnja sa polja

Slave owner compensation was still being paid off by British taxpayers in 2015

Bristol taxpayers in 2015 were still paying off debt borrowed by the government to “compensate” slave owners in 1833, the Treasury has revealed.
The revelations show that the £20 million (US$28 million) the government spent to reimburse the owners of slaves – who themselves were some of Britain’s richest businessmen – took the taxpayer 182 years to pay off. The descendants of slaves were never compensated, but it appears some would have been paying to compensation slave owners.
The information was revealed by the Treasury under a Freedom of Information (FoI) request, the Bristol Post reports. The Treasury tweeted: “Here’s today’s surprising #FridayFact. Millions of you helped end slave trade through your taxes.”

#etički_kapitalizam

Jebes mi sve, popisao bih potomke slave ownera, klasifikovao po velicini, i narednih XYZ generacija bi placali porez dok ne otplate istu tu sumu (uvecanu za inflaciju, kamatu i slicno).

koja je razlika od istorijskih monopolista, rokfelera, rotšilda i sličnih

Gargantua wrote:#etički_kapitalizam

Ali genijalno jbt, obeštite me za ljude koje sam posedovao. Mislim, znam kako se do tog rešenja došlo u datom istorijskom trenutku, ali jbt, leta gosodnjeg 2018. još isplaćuju dugove vlasnicima ljudi. Jbt, jbt, jbt.

Mr. Moonlight wrote:koja je razlika od istorijskih monopolista, rokfelera, rotšilda i sličnih

Razumem šta hoćeš da kažeš, ali što bi reko ostap, there is a fine line između monopoliste i čoveka kojem država plaća odštetu jer je posedovao ljude.

Što je uopšte država pristala na taj dil tada, što jednostavno nije oslobodila robove a vlasnicima robova dala kitu? Ili je država radila u interesu tih vlasnika, drugim rečima captured state i kronizam before it was cool to call it that way?

robovlasnici su radili u skladu sa zakonima države, kada je država promenila zakone, oštetila je robovlasnike, pa su odlučili da im obezbede naknadu izgubljene dobiti

poprilična je verovatnoća da su oni koji su odlučivali bili bolji drugari sa robovlasnicima, nego sa robovima

Pravna država, a ne revolucionarno divljaštvo. Zakon mora da se poštuje a imovina je svetinja 

Upravo.

Legalizam, braćo, a ne zvona i praporci. Pominjao sam mislim kako je Tito vraćao De Gaulleu pozajmicu što je Petain bio dao Paveliću? Jedna moja poznanica mi pričala kako u Briselu za EU radi pravne analize na trgovinskim ugovorima sklapanima između raznih evropskih i azijskih subjekata u XVIII stoljeću.

Хм, онда можда има шансе... да шиљим п..лајваз да тужим град што су ми онолико наплатили комуналије 1986, што су по тарифи за 1. грађевинску зону (јер сам тамо имао пребивалиште) а не за 3. (где сам зидао), без права на плаћање у три рате (јер 1. зона), са роком плаћања од само две-три недеље, а они су онда своје преузете обавезе испунили са поприличном доцњом (асфалт 2011. телефон 1992. водовод 1991. канализација 1996. што смо све платили још једном, осим асфалта који је пак дошао преко наше калдрме из 1990., а тротоара нема ни дан данас). Само од камате бисмо могли да имамо бесплатну струју воду и гас до трећег колена.

Two US grocery chains are on the verge of bankruptcy as Amazon moves in

Bloomberg reports that Winn-Dixie parent Bi-Lo and Tops Friendly Market could both declare bankruptcy this month, an ominous shakeout in a grocery industry that is bracing for new competition from Amazon and its newly acquired Whole Foods subsidiary.

Dig a little deeper and the situation is more complicated: Both companies are wheezing under heavy debt loads after being acquired by private equity firms.

Pravo blago.



Pravna sigurnost se značajno popravlja. U tim okolnostima smo se i odlučili za veliku investiciju u hotel u centru Beograda. Međutim, smatram da kao privatni investitori ne osećamo podršku društva, smatraju da smo mi neki sumnjivi tipovi, kaže u razgovoru na marginama Kopaonik biznis foruma za B92.net Tomislav Momirović, prvi čovek kompanije Mona hotel menadžment.

R.P. Wolff drži predavanja o Marsku, biće ceo serijal na jućubu. do sada je održao pet predavanja, evo ga prvo:




nisam još slušao, ali iako je matori profa već u ozbiljnim godinama i nije skoro objavio ništa naročito bitno, sigurno će biti zanimljivo.

Često dolazim u situaciju da me ljudi napadaju da sam kupio nešto jeftino. Pa naš posao je da kupujemo jeftino i da prodajemo skuplje. To je negde i naša moralna obaveza. Samo tako mi razvijamo kompaniju i zapošljavamo ljude





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