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Galup: Migranti najmanje dobrodošli u Srbiji, CG i MKD

Prema istraživanju agencije Galup (Gallup), Srbija se nalazi na 135. mestu od 138 zemalja koje su obuhvaćene istraživanjem, a Makedonija je na poslednjem mestu.

Učesnicima istraživanja postavljeno je pitanje da li je dobro ili loše da imigranti žive u toj zemlji, budu njihovi susedi ili se venčaju sa nekim od njihovih bliskih rođaka, preneo je Indipendent (Independent).

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Roditelji đaka u Šidu protestuju protiv toga da lokalna deca dele učionice sa decom migrantima iz izbegličkog kampa. Deca iz izbegličkog kampa, međutim, sa nestrpljenjem čekaju da krenu u školu.
Roditelji u Osnovnoj školi u Višnjićevu kod Šida su održali protest ispred škole na kojem je bilo oko 200 ljudi, što je za jedno malo vojvođansko selo veliki odziv. Kažu da nisu „ni rasisti ni fašisti“, već zabrinuti roditelji, koji brinu za higijenu i bezbednost svoje dece.
U školi su im rekli, kako kažu, da decu iz prihvatnih centara ne smeju da "dodiruju levom rukom" niti da razgovaraju sa njima i pokazuju prstom na njih.

Izvor: N1info
Nismo uspeli da saznamo šta o tome misle nastavnici, a nijedan od direktora tri škole u Šidu u koje će ići deca iz prihvatnih centara nije želeo da izađe pred kamere.
U centru Adaševci, odakle oko stotinak dece treba da krene u šidske škole, utisak je potpuno drugačiji. Tamo i roditelji i mališani, s druge strane, jedva čekaju da krenu u školu.
“Mnogo sam srećna đto ću upoznati nove prijatelje, što ću ponovo učiti“, kaže jedna devojčica izbeglica.

Izvor: N1
Kada budu krenula u školu, od 15. septembra, deca će iz prihvatnih centara biti prevožena do škola.
U Komesarijatu za izbeglice kažu da u drugim opštinama gde migranti kreću u škole nije bilo problema, i da su samo u šidskoj opštini zabeležene ovakve reakcije. Dodaju da će što pre doći u Šid kako bi sa školom i roditeljima pokušali da objasne da ne postoji nikakav problem.

William Murderface wrote:Zmaj.

Inace, Sid je grad sa ogromnim brojem izbeglih u Oluji.

Roditelji: Nismo šovinisti, ali nećemo sirijske đake
Beograd, Šid -- Roditelji đaka iz šidske opštine održali miran skup i pokrenuli peticiju. Brinu zbog kvaliteta nastave. Spremni da decu prebace u druge škole zbog migranata.

IZVOR: VEČERNJE NOVOSTI SREDA, 13.09.2017. | 10:12



Nismo rasisti, ni šovinisti, svi živimo u slozi bez obzira na to ko je koje verske pripadnosti. Ali smatramo da migrantska deca ne mogu da pohađaju nastavu zajedno sa našom, jer školski sistem nije za to spreman, rekli su u utorak, za "Novosti", roditelji dece koja pohađaju osmogodišnju školu "Filip Višnjić" u Višnjićevu.

Oni su u ponedeljak uveče održali miran skup, sa kojeg su poslali poruku da ne žele da njihova deca pohađaju nastavu zajedno sa migrantskom, i pokrenuli peticiju, sa roditeljima iz Adaševaca i Šida. Kažu da neće odustati, i od trenutka kad migranti sednu u klupe, decu će prebaciti u druge škole.

Uključivanje dece migranata u školski sistem, izazvalo je negodovanje roditelja iako im niko još zvanično nije objasnio kako će teći nastavni program. Traže da Školska uprava Novi Sad dostavi elaborat o integraciji dece migranata u školski sistem, zbog zabrinutosti roditelja o načinu integracije i kvalitetu nastave koja će se sprovoditi.

"Mi ne znamo da li su ta deca vakcinisana, kakvog su zdravstvenog stanja. Oni dolaze sa ratnih područja. Načuli smo da će njima prevodilac da prevodi na arapski jezik, čas od 45 minuta nije dovoljan ni našoj deci. Mi nemamo ništa protiv toga što ih naša država uvodi u obrazovni sistem, ali neka oni budu u posebnim odeljenjima. Tako bi lakše pratili nastavu, a i neće ometati našu decu", smatra Goran Hrček, jedan od potpisnika peticije i otac dečaka koji pohađa drugi razred osnovne škole u Višnjićevu.

On tvrdi da će sina prebaciti u obližnju školu u Jamenu, samo ako se deca migranata pojave u đačkim klupama.

Ideju kako izađi iz ove nemile situacije Radivoj Veteha, predsednik Saveta mesne zajednice Višnjićevo - nema.

"Nekoliko roditelja je potražilo naš savet, ali verujte da smo nemoćni. Pretrpeli smo ratne godine, sve nedaće koje su nas zadesile. Jedino što su nas migranti dosad zaobilazili. Smatram da ta deca treba prvo da se prilagode, pa posle uvedu u školski sistem", ocenjuje prvi čovek iz sela.

Novi protestni skup roditelja biće održan danas u Moroviću.

"Novosti" dodaju da je na sastanku koji su predstavnici Školske uprave Novi Sad održali sa aktivom direktora šidskih osnovnih i srednjih škola, potvrđeno da će u školske klupe, zajedno sa šidskim đacima sesti preko stotinu dece migranata.

Gargantua wrote:

Ideju kako izađi iz ove nemile situacije Radivoj Veteha, predsednik Saveta mesne zajednice Višnjićevo - nema.

"Nekoliko roditelja je potražilo naš savet, ali verujte da smo nemoćni. Pretrpeli smo ratne godine, sve nedaće koje su nas zadesile. Jedino što su nas migranti dosad zaobilazili. Smatram da ta deca treba prvo da se prilagode, pa posle uvedu u školski sistem", ocenjuje prvi čovek iz sela.

Orbán wins the migration argument
Suddenly most EU leaders echo the Hungarian prime minister.
By JACOPO BARIGAZZI 9/15/17, 4:17 AM CET Updated 9/15/17, 9:36 AM CET


No one in Brussels wants to say it out loud, but Viktor Orbán is winning the migration debate.

The Hungarian prime minister may be much maligned in European capitals for his anti-immigrant rhetoric, his opposition to the EU’s refugee relocation policy, and for building a border fence.

But look closely at how EU leaders now talk about the issue and the policies they’ve adopted since the 2015 crisis, and it’s clear Orbán’s preference for interdiction over integration has somehow prevailed.

There was an echo of Orbán’s long-standing call for tougher border controls in Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker’s claim in his State of the Union speech this week that “We are now protecting Europe’s external borders more effectively.”

At other points in the speech, it could easily have been the Hungarian premier speaking, as Juncker emphasized efforts to stop migrants before they leave Africa and return those who reach Europe’s shores. “When it comes to returns: People who have no right to stay in Europe must be returned to their countries of origin,” said Juncker.

While Hungary and Slovakia recently lost their fight against the EU’s relocation scheme at the European Court of Justice, the facts on the ground show that the legal victory for Brussels was hollow.

“Nobody will admit it in this town, but yes, Orbán’s narrative is prevailing,” a senior EU official said.

From French President Emmanuel Macron gathering the leaders of Germany, Italy and Spain for a migration conference in Paris at the end of August, to Juncker’s shout-out to Italy’s “generosity” in his speech this week, the EU has made great efforts to emphasize solidarity, particularly with Rome and Athens, which bear the brunt of migrant arrivals.

But the actions by European governments, including Italy’s effort to crack down on NGOs and the EU’s push for accords with African governments, fit neatly with Orbán’s long-stated positions. He has called for stronger protection of external borders as well as for opening up migration reception centers in Africa and a tough line on NGOs, especially foreign ones.

At the meeting Macron hosted in Paris, the four EU leaders — who were joined by EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini — gave their blessing to a shift in the way Italy has been dealing with migration, which critics say also goes Orbán’s way.

After the closure of the Western Balkan route last year, migrants kept on arriving in Italy. But figures this summer were unexpectedly low as Italians outsourced the solution to Libyan political powers and accused NGOs of colluding with smugglers, forcing them to accept an EU backed code of conduct.

“For a center-left government like in Italy, this is dangerous because what they are doing is not different from what the far-right is asking for,” said Gerald Knaus, chairman of the European Stability Initiative, a think tank. Because an alternative plan has not been agreed, he said, “The debate is completely moving in Orbán’s direction.”

Applause from the right

That the migration debate might shift toward Orbán’s view is not necessarily surprising. German Chancellor Angela Merkel faced a brutal political backlash in September 2015 after she decided to accept hundreds of thousands of refugees. In many ways, European leaders have been backtracking and side-stepping ever since.

With Orbán and other Eastern European leaders resisting the compulsory relocation policy, EU leaders found it easier to agree on toughening control of external borders, which had grown lax over the years.

Answering the calls for stronger border protections from the Visegrad Four — Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and the Czech Republic — offered a way to bridge the deep divisions and project unity at a time of serious discord, said Milan Nic, senior fellow at the German Council on Foreign Relations. “Germany was quietly looking for common ground with the Visegrad and several aspects of what they were proposing were incorporated into the discussion,” he said.

Orbán’s stance was even more hard-line, calling for refugees to be allowed to request protection only from outside the EU.

Two years later, at the Paris meeting, Macron pushed for the creation of migration centers in Niger and Chad. The proposal is opposed by humanitarian groups who insist it will not work, but whether it is implemented or not, it’s hard to dispute that the French president has partly adopted Orbán’s approach.

Rights advocates also fear that migrants will be treated badly, as is the case now in migration centers in Libya, where humanitarian groups have documented terrible conditions. The far-left GUE group in the European Parliament called the plan “racist and a fundamental breach of human rights.”

By contrast, the same plan was immediately greeted with satisfaction by the leader of Brothers of Italy, a far-right party. “Wasn’t it a xenophobic idea?” Giorgia Meloni, the leader of Brothers of Italy, wondered on Facebook. “Time has proved we were right.”

‘Managing flows’

EU officials and diplomats insist that the apparent alignment with Orbán is just a case of the Hungarian prime minister’s views reflecting basic common sense in certain areas. But, they said, the EU leadership remains committed to policies of openness, and especially to encourage legal migration — a point Juncker stressed in his speech.

“Europe is and must remain the continent of solidarity where those fleeing persecution can find refuge,” he said.

One EU diplomat noted that Hungary had taken actions that were in violation of international law or EU policy, while Brussels was working to develop legal solutions. And the diplomat insisted that any seeming agreement with Orbán was temporary at best.

“It’s not a matter of being in line with Orbán,” the diplomat said. “It’s just that first we had to show things are under control, then we can work on better ways of managing flows.”

Orbán has been insisting for months that he’s winning the argument. When discussion of opening refugee camps in Africa resurfaced among EU leaders last December, he told journalists: “Earlier this was seen as a proposal which could have come from the Devil himself.”

He added: “Our position is slowly becoming the majority position.”

N1 wrote:"Migranti ne prelaze preko vaše skele?" "Ne, samo preko mosta i to samo noću. Kažu da je noćas bilo jedno 200 njih koji su prešli gore", kaže Stipan, skeledžija “Vojvodinašuma”.

Međutim, da li su izbeglice žrtve prevare krijumčara? Zbog nesređenog spora oko granice sa Hrvatskom, na većini GPS uređaja koje ovi ljudi koriste, stoji da su prelaskom kanala zapravo izašli iz Srbije.

"Oni misle da su u Hrvatskoj već. Kako im pokazuje, tu kad pređu Dunav-Tisa-Dunav, da su, kao, u Hrvatskoj, ali tu ima još jedno pet kilometara dole do Hrvatske. Preko Dunava moraju preći. Prevare ih? Pa, prevare ih", kaže drugi skeledžija, takođe Stipan.

...A zašto se pozivam na Špenglera? Pozivam se na to zbog toga što svi moramo biti svesni da nam se neprimetno dešava nova seoba naroda, a da samo poneki od nas, da li geopolitičari, da li neki političari poput Viktora Orbana shvataju da se to dešava sada, pred nama i da je neophodno zbiti hrišćanske redove i da je neophodno zbiti evropske redove, u koje naravno i srpska i mađarska kultura spadaju, da je potrebno zaštititi ovaj prostor, jer ne zadugo, za dvadeset, trideset, pedeset godina, siguran sam zbog istorijskog trajanja neće nas biti mnogo, a potrebno je da i naši potomci svedoče o postojanju nas i onih ljudi pre nas.

mstislaw wrote:Ovo je zamenik pokrajinskog sekretara za kulturu, javno informisanje i odnose sa verskim zajednicama:

...A zašto se pozivam na Špenglera? Pozivam se na to zbog toga što svi moramo biti svesni da nam se neprimetno dešava nova seoba naroda, a da samo poneki od nas, da li geopolitičari, da li neki političari poput Viktora Orbana shvataju da se to dešava sada, pred nama i da je neophodno zbiti hrišćanske redove i da je neophodno zbiti evropske redove, u koje naravno i srpska i mađarska kultura spadaju, da je potrebno zaštititi ovaj prostor, jer ne zadugo, za dvadeset, trideset, pedeset godina, siguran sam zbog istorijskog trajanja neće nas biti mnogo, a potrebno je da i naši potomci svedoče o postojanju nas i onih ljudi pre nas.

Crkni, mater ti.