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    Post by Kinder Lad Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:36 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Prema nekim informacijama, ukrajinski bojovnici se spremaju za juriš na slobodne republike Donbasa početkom avgusta...


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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:26 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Prema nekim informacijama, ukrajinski bojovnici se spremaju za juriš na slobodne republike Donbasa početkom avgusta...


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    Razbice ih Novorusija. Jos kad trupe Jemena, nadiruci sa juga preko Poljske, izbiju u okolini Lavova, Ukropi ce biti uhvaceni u obruc.


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    Post by Veletin Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:32 pm

    У нападу на граници са Јеменом погинуло седам граничара Саудијске Арабије
    Бета | 31. јул 2016. 10:47 | Коментара: 0
    У прекограничном сукобу са борцима из Јемена погинуло је седам саудијских граничара, међу којима је један полицајац
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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:33 pm

    Eto vidis da nadiru!


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    Post by Kinder Lad Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:23 pm

    Zasto preko Poljske? Kad prodju KSA, treba samo da stupe u kontakt sa Asadom, on ih prebaci do Turske, Erdogan je sad prijatelj i op, op eto ih preko Crnog Mora kod Odese.


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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Sun Jul 31, 2016 2:27 pm

    Moze i tako.


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    Post by Filipenko Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:17 pm

    Nešto će se spojiti u okolini Lavova, ali će to biti regularna vojska Novorusije koja će nakon oslobađanja Kijeva sasvim razumljivo i legitimno težiti da očuva integritet i teritorijalni suverenitet čitave zemlje i regularne trupe ruske federacije koje će doći sa severa, to jest sa zapada Belorusije.

    Biće zanimljivo biti Poljak tih dana.
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    Post by Filipenko Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:10 pm

    Jesu to i SŠA i Rusija opozvale svoje ambasadore u Kijevu?

    I to se još priča da će Rusija poslati mnogopoštovanog Mihaila Babiča  Rat u Ukrajini - Page 21 800920403 Ako je to tačno, tamo će da bude ozbiljnog pičvajza. Možda iskoriste Rio da im vrate za Soči, ništa me ne bi čudilo.
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    Post by Filipenko Sun Aug 07, 2016 12:24 am

    Danas pokušan atentat na predsednika Luganske republike Igora Plotnjickog. Srećom, živ je i u bolnici, kažu sve će biti u redu, a oni koji šire drugačije glasine su izdajnici Luganske republike. 


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    Post by Filipenko Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:57 pm

    Predstavnik Tatara na Krimu Norman Dželalov napisao je na Tviteru: “Tenkovi su stigli”. 

    Lokalni mediji su izvestili i o pucnjavi u blizini Krasnopereskopska, takođe na Krimu. 

    “Ne želim stvarati paniku, ali danas, koliko god da je to moguće, suzdržite se od odlaska u unutrašnjost Krima”, naveli su zvaničnci. 
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    Post by Guest Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:24 pm

    To se sve navodno događalo pre dva dana, a jedini izvor je britanski Informer, tj. express.co.uk.
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    Post by Filipenko Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:28 pm

    Pa kome verovati, ako ne liberalnim, etabliranim medijima iz razvijenih demokratija?
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:51 pm

    Benny Lava wrote:To se sve navodno događalo pre dva dana, a jedini izvor je britanski Informer, tj. express.co.uk.


    Tita mi, Vaso, izgleda da je ipak bilo nešto ozbiljno. Evo i FSB saopštava da je jedan agent ubijen, a Rusija da je sprečena akcija ukrajinskih terorista na Krimu. Poginuo je još jedan vojnik, samo što nije sasvim jasno pod kojim okolnostima. FSB tvrdi da su ukrajinski specijalci pokušali upad na Krim i da su dve grupe sabotera uz artiljerijsku podršku probale da se probiju te je tom prilikom valjda poginuo taj vojnik, a izgleda da sada država radi downplay te istine i umekšava događaje, valjda da ne bi ispalo da se mora u rat.

    Sve u svemu, na ovo se mora reagovati, ali ne sumnjam da će vrhuška u Kremlju da odmahne rukom i da se bavi pustim snovima o turskojužnimtokovima, koje im nikada neće dozvoliti da izgrade.
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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Wed Aug 10, 2016 5:59 pm

    Saboteri se probijaju uz artiljerijsku podrsku? Rat u Ukrajini - Page 21 1233199462 Pa kakvi su to saboteri, da nisu jemenski?


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    Post by Filipenko Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:08 pm

    Radagast wrote:Saboteri se probijaju uz artiljerijsku podrsku? Rat u Ukrajini - Page 21 1233199462 Pa kakvi su to saboteri, da nisu jemenski?

    Ne verujem, mada bi mogli biti turski ili saudijski.
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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:21 pm

    Prevod je pretežak zadatak Rat u Ukrajini - Page 21 1949538119

    B92
    Porošenko naredio: Sve vojne jedinice na granicu s Krimom


    Kijev -- Ukrajinski predsednik Petro Porošenko naredio je da se sve vojne jedinice postave u blizini granica s Krimom i Donbasom.

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    RAT NA POMOLU Porošenko naredio raspoređivanje ukrajinske vojske kod Krima!
    V. Filipović | 11. 08. 2016 - 13:37h  


    Ukrajinski predsednik Petro Porošenko naredio je raspoređivanje vojske te zemlje blizu Krima, kao i u Donbasu, i proglasio najviši stepen uzbune, prenose ruski mediji.

    Naravno, veliki delovi ukrajinske vojske odavno stoje na granicama prema Donbasu i Krimu. A naređeno je šta - pa da se podigne stepen borbene gotovosti za već prisutne jedinice.


    Ukrajinska pravda
    Президент Петр Порошенко поручил привести в усиленную боевую готовность подразделения, стоящих у админграници с Крымом.


    Такое поручение президент дал во время совещания с силовиками в связи с заявлениями РФ.
    "Поручил привести в усиленную боевую готовность все подразделения в районах админграницы с АРК и по всей линии соприкосновения в Донбассе", - говорится в твиттер-сообщении.

    TASS

    KIEV, August 11. /TASS/. Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko ordered on Thursday to put on full combat alert all units on the border with Crimea and on the contact line in Donbass.



    Pratiti domaće medije oko spoljnopolitičkih tema nije samo gubljenje vremena nego i štetno, u proseku.
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    Post by Filipenko Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:26 pm

    Vi ste ovde otprilike kao JNA đenerali. Ignorisali sve signale, pa onda ignorisali sitne akcije, pa pratili krupne akcije i onda jebiga, raspade se zemlja.

    Putin je rekao da se ubistvo vojnika neće zaboraviti, niti tek tako preći preko njega. A svi znamo da on to ozbiljno misli.

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    Post by Filipenko Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:07 am

    Tuča ukrajinskih poslanika posle TV emisije


    Kijev -- Poslanici Vrhovne Rade (ukrajinskog parlamenta) Aleksandar Vilkul i Vladimir Parasjuk potukli su se pred novinarima, prenosi ukrajinska televizija “112“.

    Incident se dogodio nakon snimanja televizijske emisije “Večernji program“ za vreme koje parlamentarci nisu mogli da se slože o tekućoj situaciji u zemlji.

    Nakon emisije Vladimir Parasjuk je sačekao svog oponenta van studija, a obezbeđenje je moralo da se umeša.

    Parasjuk je obećao da će ispisati čitav automobil Aleksandra Vilkula. 

    On je dodao da je njegov suparnik “agent Kremlja koji je doneo rat u njegovu zemlju“. 

    “Vilkula treba likvidirati, deportovati kako od njega ne bi ostao ni trag“, rekao je Parasjuk.



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    Post by Filipenko Sat Oct 15, 2016 9:14 pm

    Porošenko originalan, kao i uvek:

    Porošenko Rusiji: Ko dođe s mačem, od mača će i poginuti


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    Post by Filipenko Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:55 pm

    Кијев је кренуо, потврдио је заменик министра одбране Украјине Игор Павловски, рекавши поводом ситуације око Авдејевке у којој живи 30.000 људи:

    „Наши момци су херојски кренули напред. Чине то - метар по метар - где год могу“.
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    Post by Guest Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:39 pm

    RFE ima dobar tekst s terena:



    NOVOLUHANSKE, Ukraine -- The way Ukrainian commander Vyacheslav "Eagle-Owl" Vlasenko described it, his troops snuck into this rustic town of 4,000 people in broad daylight and took it -- and a valuable pig farm -- without firing a shot.

    Concealed in trucks that looked like those used by the pig farm, the troops' advance into Nuvoluhanske -- which had been part of the gray zone, a ravaged no-man's land between the warring sides -- took their Russia-backed separatist foes by surprise.

    "We used civilian trucks and a sort of maskirovka," Vlasenko, clad in fatigues, told RFE/RL at the command-and-control center of the Ukrainian Army's 46th battalion in nearby Zaitseve on January 23. It was a reference to a deception tactic widely credited to Russian military planners and employed by the Kremlin when it seized Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in 2014.

    "It was 1 p.m." Vlasenko said. "They figured out what had happened at 8:45 p.m. and began firing artillery, striking near our defensive positions on the east side of the pig farm."

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    Vyacheslav "Eagle-Owl" Vlasenko, commander of Ukraine's 46th battalion: "They figured out what had happened at 8:45 p.m. and began firing artillery."

    Mounting Discontent

    Frustrated by the stalemate in this 33-month war of attrition, concerned that Western support is waning, and sensing that U.S. President Donald Trump could cut Kyiv out of any peace negotiations as he tries to improve fraught relations with Moscow, Ukrainian forces anxious to show their newfound strength have gone on what many here are calling a "creeping offensive."

    Observers say the Ukrainians appear to be trying to create new facts on the ground, while officials and commanders insist they are fighting to stop the flow of contraband into separatist-controlled territories and fending off attempts by separatist groups that call themselves the Donetsk and Luhansk "people's republics" to seize more territory.

    Whatever the case, since mid-December Ukraine's armed forces have edged farther into parts of the gray zone in or near the war-worn cities of Avdiivka, Debaltseve, Dokuchaievsk, Horlivka, and Mariupol, shrinking the space between them and the separatist fighters.

    In doing so, the pro-Kyiv troops have sparked bloody clashes with their enemy, which has reportedly made advances of its own -- or tried to -- in recent weeks.

    The Ukrainian military reported that 17 of its soldiers were killed in the December battles. At least 16 more have been killed in fighting this month, including seven on January 29-30. There are no reliable figures for the separatist side.

    In all, Europe's only active war has claimed the lives of more than 9,750 people and displaced some 1.7 million more since it began in April 2014, according to the United Nations.

    And all signs point to the conflict getting worse before it gets better.
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    Al zato WaPo ima svoj Op-Ed sa omiljenim lajtmotivom (Russia Scare) u post-fact stilu:




    [size=32]Trump is sworn in, rockets fall on Ukraine[/size]

    COULD IT have been just a coincidence that Russian-backed forces in Ukraine launched their biggest offensive in months the day after Vladi­mir Putin spoke by phone with President Trump? Somehow, we doubt it. Rather, the volleys of Grad rockets and heavy artillery that have been raining down on Ukrainian army positions since Sunday look a lot like a test of whether the new president will yield to pressure from Moscow.


    Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin didn’t speak much about Ukraine during their call; officials told us that Mr. Trump called it “a tough issue” before moving on. Nor did the White House issue a widely rumored executive order abruptly lifting U.S. sanctions on Moscow for its invasions of Crimea and eastern Ukraine. That may have been due to pushback Mr. Trump heard from British Prime Minister Theresa May on Friday, as well as from senior congressional Republicans.


    Perhaps a disappointed Mr. Putin felt the need to do some pushing from the other side. Or maybe he wanted to wreck a meeting Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko had scheduled for Monday with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, his strongest Western supporter. 
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    Post by Filipenko Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:39 pm

    "...trying to create new facts on the ground..."


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    Post by Filipenko Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:54 am

    Senator Lindsey Graham: 

    "I admire the fact that you will fight for your homeland."

    "Your fight is our fight, 2017 will be the year of offense."

    "All of us will go back to Washington and we will push the case against Russia. Enough of a Russian aggression. It is time for them to pay a heavier price.

    "Our fight is not with the Russian people but with Putin. Our promise to you is to take your cause to Washington, inform the American people of your bravery and make the case against Putin to the world."



    John McCain:

    "I believe you will win. I am convinced you will win and we will do everything we can to provide you with what you need to win. We have succeeded not because of equipment but because of your courage. 

    So I thank you and the world is watching and the world is watching because we cannot allow Vladimir Putin to succeed here because if he succeeds here, he will succeed in other countries."



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    Post by Guest Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:56 am

    Biće gadno ako se ova eskalacija nastavi, obe strane odavno više nisu vikend ratnici.

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