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William Murderface wrote:Ja ne mislim niti da je Cipras debil, niti da je Varufakis šarlatan, samo se pokazalo da im fali real-politićkog iskustva, što i nije neko iznenađenje. S druge strane, pokazalo se i da je ovo situacija koja toliko ispada iz dosadašnjeg kalupa da su se sve opklade bile u igri, i da je bilo vrlo teško proceniti gde staviti svoj ulog. Dodatno, kako pokazuju nove reakcije MMF i SAD, možda će ispasti da Cipras uopšte nije tako loše odigrao. te da je prihvatajući poslednji odgovor znao i nešto što mi ne znamo.

Mr.Pink wrote:

zvezda je zivot wrote:varufakis sarlatan.

poceo k'o antara da piše o sebi u trećem licu.

sad kad zavrsio posao može da uživa u penziji o kojoj ce vecina grka uskoro moci samo da sanja! a za ciprasa ne znam sta vise da mislim...mislio sam da ce istrajati. nekako mi sad ono druženje sa vulvinom u beogradu dobija smisao.

Merkel 'gambling away' Germany's reputation over Greece, says Habermas
Exclusive: Intellectual figurehead of European integration says efforts of previous generations put at risk by Angela Merkel’s hardline stance on Greece


German chancellor Angela Merkel has been accused of ‘punishing’ Greece. Photograph: Sean Gallup/Getty Images
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Thursday 16 July 2015 12.21 BST Last modified on Thursday 16 July 2015 16.33 BST

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Jürgen Habermas, one of the intellectual figureheads of European integration, has launched a withering attack on the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, accusing her of “gambling away” the efforts of previous generations to rebuild the country’s postwar reputation with her hardline stance on Greece.
Speaking about the bailout deal for the first time since it was presented on Monday, the philosopher and sociologist said the German chancellor had effectively carried out “an act of punishment” against the leftwing government of Alexis Tsipras.
“I fear that the German government, including its social democratic faction, have gambled away in one night all the political capital that a better Germany had accumulated in half a century,” he told the Guardian. Previous German governments, he said, had displayed “greater political sensitivity and a post-national mentality”.


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Habermas, widely considered one of the most influential contemporary European intellectuals, said that by threatening Greece with an exit from the eurozone over the course of the negotiations, Germany had “unashamedly revealed itself as Europe’s chief disciplinarian and for the first time openly made a claim for German hegemony in Europe.”
The outcome of the negotiations between Greece and the other eurozone member states, he said, did “not make sense in economic terms because of the toxic mixture of necessary structural reforms of state and economy with further neoliberal impositions that will completely discourage an exhausted Greek population and kill any impetus to growth.”
Habermas added: “Forcing the Greek government to agree to an economically questionable, predominantly symbolic privatisation fund cannot be understood as anything other an act of punishment against a leftwing government.”
The Düsseldorf-born philosopher, a former assistant of the prominent Frankfurt School theorist Theodor Adorno, rose to prominence during the student protests in the late 1960s. His works on the establishment of a pan-European political and cultural identity, such as Structural Transformation of the Public Sphere, went on to influence and shape policy debate around the European Union. At the start of the millennium, Habermas was one of the leading drivers behind calls for a European constitution.

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Greek PM Alexis Tsipras during a parliamentary session in Athens. Photograph: Alkis Konstantinidis/Reuters
Recently, the 86-year-old has aggressively criticised Merkel’s leadership in Europe in books such as The Lure of Technocracy, while also coming under criticism himself. In 2013, Habermas clashed in a series of articles with another influential German leftwing intellectual, sociologist Wolfgang Streeck, who has identified the kind of European federalism espoused by Habermas as the root of the continent’s crisis.


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Habermas told the Guardian that he agreed with many of his critics’ main points. “Streeck and I also share the view that this technocratic hollowing out of democracy is the result of a neoliberal pattern of market-deregulation policies,” he said. “The balance between politics and the market has got out of sync, at the cost of the welfare state.
“Where we differ is in terms of the consequences to be drawn from this predicament. I do not see how a return to nation states that have to be run like big corporations in a global market can counter the tendency towards de-democratisation and growing social inequality – something that we also see in Great Britain, by the way.
“Such tendencies can only be countered, if at all, by a change in political direction, brought about by democratic majorities in a more strongly integrated ‘core Europe’. The currency union must gain the capacity to act at the supra-national level. In view of the chaotic political process triggered by the crisis in Greece, we can no longer afford to ignore the limits of the present method of intergovernmental compromise.”
Habermas argued that Europe was “stuck in a political trap”.
“Without a common financial and economic policy, the national economies of pseudo-sovereign member states will continue to drift apart in terms of productivity. No political community can sustain such tension in the long run,” he said. “At the same time, by focusing on avoidance of open conflict, the EU’s institutions are preventing necessary political initiatives for expanding the currency union into a political union. Only the government leaders assembled in the European council are in the position to act, but precisely they are the ones who are unable to act in the interest of a joint European community because they think mainly of their national electorate.”

William Murderface wrote:Ja ne mislim niti da je Cipras debil, niti da je Varufakis šarlatan, samo se pokazalo da im fali real-politićkog iskustva, što i nije neko iznenađenje. S druge strane, pokazalo se i da je ovo situacija koja toliko ispada iz dosadašnjeg kalupa da su se sve opklade bile u igri, i da je bilo vrlo teško proceniti gde staviti svoj ulog. Dodatno, kako pokazuju nove reakcije MMF i SAD, možda će ispasti da Cipras uopšte nije tako loše odigrao. te da je prihvatajući poslednji odgovor znao i nešto što mi ne znamo.

beatakeshi wrote:Šta bi Lenjin rekao (napisao) o Ciprasu i/ili Varufakisu?

burkholderia mallei wrote:pa verovatno zato sto nisu ni pokusali da razrade te opcije, a i nisu imali sa kim. ruska podrska je kurac od ovce, sto je vec potvrdjeno u istoriji, svuda. mogli su da udju u bajke sa arapima i atinom na vodi, sto je opet komedija, mada je juce u skupstini lik rutinski ozbiljno pricao o takvoj ideji.

Radagast wrote:Mene zanima zasto se Cipras i Varufakis nisu ozbiljnije pripremili za scenario grexita. Sa ovakvim stavovima MMF i SAD-a moguce je da bi to bilo bolje resenje na duge staze -  Nemci ce ih i onako izbaciti, sa jos sjebanijom privredom, kad za par godina opet ne budu bili u stanju da vrate dugove. I referendumsko pitanje je trebalo da bude o tome.

YV: Isn’t a Marxist necessarily engaged in politics? My family is a result of the Civil War that tore Greece apart. My father grew up in Cairo, where he received a French education, in Voltaire, Rousseau, and his idol, Robespierre. He migrated to Greece in 1946, just before the Civil War broke out again. Following a conflict with the university management over his right to enrol, the secret services captured him and demanded that he sign a document denouncing communism. He got three and a half years in a camp for refusing to do so. When it closed, in 1951, he returned to university, where he met my mother, who had joined a fascist organisation. What was her job? Watching my father! So here I am! (laughs). With time they learnt to have rather more temperate relations, but when fights broke out my mother would shout at my father ‘damned communist’!’ and he would reply ‘dirty fascist!’ I mention all this just to say that I became politically conscious very early.

ostap bender wrote:varufakis/elster intervju

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YV: Isn’t a Marxist necessarily engaged in politics? My family is a result of the Civil War that tore Greece apart. My father grew up in Cairo, where he received a French education, in Voltaire, Rousseau, and his idol, Robespierre. He migrated to Greece in 1946, just before the Civil War broke out again. Following a conflict with the university management over his right to enrol, the secret services captured him and demanded that he sign a document denouncing communism. He got three and a half years in a camp for refusing to do so. When it closed, in 1951, he returned to university, where he met my mother, who had joined a fascist organisation. What was her job? Watching my father! So here I am! (laughs). With time they learnt to have rather more temperate relations, but when fights broke out my mother would shout at my father ‘damned communist’!’ and he would reply ‘dirty fascist!’ I mention all this just to say that I became politically conscious very early.

William Murderface wrote:Odličan! Ej, stranče koji nemaš nikakve veze sa Drakecom, imam jednu poslasticu za tebe, okačiću na hate music tokom popodneva...

Jordan Rivers wrote:Bravo Ciprasu za human, levicarski tretman izbeglica na Kosu. Pet stotina ljudi jos uvek je zakljucano na stadionu, u neljudskim uslovima.

ostap bender wrote:...godinama na teritoriji grcke funkcionisu pravi logori a sada su se setili toga. inace je dosadasnji stav sirize prema izbeglicama (od prava gradjanstva pa nadalje) bio izuzetno human.