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    Post by шумидер-модер Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:38 pm

    Znam i ja iz itekako prve ruke, obaska sto nisam ni mislio (samo) na Makedonce.
    Tuca sa zlatnozorcima nije isto sto i pokusaj obracuna sa snagama reda i poretka.


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    Post by kondo Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:42 pm

    jako ce me razocarati cipras ako dodje u beograd. nemam ideju o cemu bi premijer grcke danas trebalo da prica sa vucicem, sem da mu kaze da je na proputovanju za pristinu gde ce upoznati domacine sa ambasadorom grcke na kosovu.


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    Post by boomer crook Mon Aug 17, 2015 11:59 pm

    cipras ce ici posvuda.

    @shumi: ne znam dovoljno o deep stat-u u grckoj zaista. znam samo da na prizemlju siriza radi za izbeglice i da su komentari o gulazima bas niski.


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    Post by plachkica Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:03 am

    Je l nije bilo da su deca, azilanti, rođena u Grčkoj automatski dobila državljanstvo?
    Jedna od prvoh odluka koju je donela Sirizina vlada.
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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:11 am

    Code:
    Ne znam, ali zacudilo bi me, posto su u koaliciji sa zescim desnicarima.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:13 am

    plachkica wrote:Je l nije bilo da su deca, azilanti, rođena u Grčkoj automatski dobila državljanstvo?
    Jedna od prvoh odluka koju je donela Sirizina vlada.


    bilo je.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:15 am

    odnosno deca rodjena u grckoj su dobila drzavljanstvo.

    http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2015/07/09/parliament-approves-bill-granting-greek-citizenship-to-migrants-children/


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    Post by шумидер-модер Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:20 am

    Sminka je to, lepo zvuci, mada ne sumnjam u iskrenost i dobre namere Sirize.
    Jos samo da Grci rodjeni u inostranstvu dobiju drzavljanstvo  Syriza ftw - Page 37 4101625831.

    Zezanje na stranu, moj i ne samo moj utisak je da je Siriza na svoj nacin ispala naivna, da su im snagu isisali na prici o dugovima i na odnosima sa poveriocima/inostranstvom: da su im spinovali sustinsku pricu o potrebama promena u samoj Grckoj.
    Ukratko, bojim se da je Siriza ispricana prica.


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    Post by fernoux-h Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:24 am

    Opšta mesta političkog cinizma zapakovana u foliju pseudoradikalizma.


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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:30 am

    fernoux-h wrote:Opšta mesta političkog cinizma zapakovana u foliju pseudoradikalizma.

    Da pogadjam, ti bi glasao za Zlatnu Zoru, autenticne levicare sa ulice?


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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:34 am

    ma jok. ferveks misli na sumidera a ne na sirizu kolko ja razumem.
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    Post by Ointagru Unartan Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:37 am

    Glup sam.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:39 am

    i ja sam shvatio da fervex misli na shumija. do sada je zapravo podrzvao sirizu (vrlo uslovno naravno).

    @shumi: makedonsko pitanje zaista blokiraju nezavisni grci kao i deo "radikalno levog" krila suverenista.


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    Post by kondo Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:55 am

    ostap bender wrote:cipras ce ici posvuda.

    bas me zanima zasto mislis da ce ici ili da treba da ide kod vucica?


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    Post by fernoux-h Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:29 am

    ostap bender wrote:i ja sam shvatio da fervex misli na shumija. do sada je zapravo podrzvao sirizu (vrlo uslovno naravno).
    tako je


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    Post by шумидер-модер Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:07 am

    ostap bender wrote:i ja sam shvatio da fervex misli na shumija. do sada je zapravo podrzvao sirizu (vrlo uslovno naravno).

    @shumi: makedonsko pitanje zaista blokiraju nezavisni grci kao i deo "radikalno levog" krila suverenista.
    Odakle i sama pomisao da fervex misli?
    Zajebavas me?

    Nisam potezao makedonsko pitanje; radi se o Grcima i Grcima  Syriza ftw - Page 37 4101625831
    Ali dobro, zivi bili pa videli, necemo dugo da cekamo.

    Kad pomenu makedonsko pitanje: slazem se da Siriza mora da ga trenutno drzi po strani - razlozi su, naravno, takticki, rezultat je kompromis sa nacionalizmom koji nikom dobra doneo nije, pa nece ni Sirizi.
    Pogotovo sto kad je nacionalizam u pitanju, u Grckoj ima kudikamo jacih igraca od Sirize, drustvena klima, trendovi udesno i kriza sto je sve zajedno teren na kome se ti igraci snalaze bolje od Sirize obaska.


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    Post by zvezda je zivot Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:42 am

    ostap bender wrote:zizek o grcima

    http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/08/slavoj-zizek-thanks-eu-s-villainy-greece-now-under-financial-occupation

    jaka ova zizekova verzija badjuovog decizionizma u kojoj se na mestu politickog militanta (ako taj nije varufakis  Syriza ftw - Page 37 286371741 ) nalazi narodna mudrost. kozna zasto je to dobro, kozna sta nosi dan a sta noc, ne treba lomiti preko kolena, lako je biti selektor iz fotelje. mi smo tu da verujemo a ne da sudimo.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:13 pm

    taj deo sa badjuom je uzasan. prilicno mehanicki i neintuitivan spoj.

    inace je badju bio na odredjeni nacin benevolentno pesimistican kada je siriza u pitanju. on smatra da nema prostora da se u postojecoj drzavnoj formi parlamentarnog kapitalizma sacuva bilo kakav radikalan politicki sadrzaj. s druge strane, takodje treba voditi racuna da badju kada na primer govori o boljsevicima kaze da je to bio i pokret za preuzimanje drzave ali i pokret protiv drzave. preuzimanje drzavne vlasti ne mora nuzno da znaci da se ona ne moze razgradjivati.


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    Post by fernoux-h Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:09 am

    Pišem nešto pa me zanimaju dve stvari:

    (1) Da li je u periodu kada je Grčka postala insolventna, a tražila nove zajmove za takvu politiku odgovoran isključivo PASOK (ili tu odgovornost deli sa ND)?

    (2) Da li se može reći da je ta vlast PASOK imala podršku EU?


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    Post by bela maca Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:31 pm

    dade cipras ostavku


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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:46 pm

    ode...

    Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras will submit his resignation to the country's president later Thursday to clear the way for early elections on Sept. 20, a government official said.
    Tspiras, elected in January, is expected to make a televised state address on Thursday evening.

    Tsipras effectively lost his parliamentary majority after a rebellion by hardliners in his Syriza party who oppose a bailout agreement struck with international lenders.
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    Post by boomer crook Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:10 pm

    fernoux-h wrote:Pišem nešto pa me zanimaju dve stvari:

    (1) Da li je u periodu kada je Grčka postala insolventna, a tražila nove zajmove za takvu politiku odgovoran isključivo PASOK (ili tu odgovornost deli sa ND)?

    (2) Da li se može reći da je ta vlast PASOK imala podršku EU?

    da i da.

    ne znam gde bi mogao da nadjes relevantnu literaturu.
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    Post by Erős Pista Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:12 pm

    Opa.


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    Post by Guest Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:17 pm

    Pretpostavljam da ce leva platforma da ide sama na izbore i da slavno izgubi, a Cipras nastavlja dalje sa ND i Pasokom. Ne vidim sta drugo moze da se desi.
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    Post by plachkica Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:22 pm

    Varufakis?

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