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A No vote would be disastrous for Greece, Juncker reiterates.
The entire planet would take it as a sign that the Greek people want to distance themselves from Europe.
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i would like to talk here about The Last of Us on HBO... and yeah, yeah i know.. the world is burning but lets just all sit and talk about television. again - what else are we doing with ourselves ? we are not creating any militias. but my god we still have the content. appraising content is the american modus vivendi.. that's why we are here for. to absorb the content and then render some sort of a judgment on content. because there is a buried hope that if enough people have the right opinion about the content - the content will get better which will then flow to our structures and make the world a better place
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Фали им још само један минус да почнем демонстративно да пођебавам. Оволико су већ напунили, сваки пут кад кажу Европа а мисле само на свој обор.
Има томе сад скоро пет година како сам се издерао у телефон некој банкстерској попишуљи кад је рекла да не могу да користим картицу у Србији, а лепо сам најавио да путујем... "рекли сте да путујете у Европу". Пало је тамо неко мрш назад у шести разред, хвала што сте потврдили све стереотипе о Америма и географији, Србија је у Европи бар туце векова, сазнаћете кад тад...
Дрка ме тачно у исти живац као оно кад неки патријаршић узме за слободу да тврди да нисам Србин зато што сам атеиста. Мрш у 15:00.
Има томе сад скоро пет година како сам се издерао у телефон некој банкстерској попишуљи кад је рекла да не могу да користим картицу у Србији, а лепо сам најавио да путујем... "рекли сте да путујете у Европу". Пало је тамо неко мрш назад у шести разред, хвала што сте потврдили све стереотипе о Америма и географији, Србија је у Европи бар туце векова, сазнаћете кад тад...
Дрка ме тачно у исти живац као оно кад неки патријаршић узме за слободу да тврди да нисам Србин зато што сам атеиста. Мрш у 15:00.
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zurka bez gudre? slazem se.
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Ispada da Grčku (u EU) podržavaju narkomani. Loš PR, sem toga promocija droga mi je bljak.
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паће wrote:Фали им још само један минус да почнем демонстративно да пођебавам. Оволико су већ напунили, сваки пут кад кажу Европа а мисле само на свој обор.
Има томе сад скоро пет година како сам се издерао у телефон некој банкстерској попишуљи кад је рекла да не могу да користим картицу у Србији, а лепо сам најавио да путујем... "рекли сте да путујете у Европу". Пало је тамо неко мрш назад у шести разред, хвала што сте потврдили све стереотипе о Америма и географији, Србија је у Европи бар туце векова, сазнаћете кад тад...
Дрка ме тачно у исти живац као оно кад неки патријаршић узме за слободу да тврди да нисам Србин зато што сам атеиста. Мрш у 15:00.
Sibir toze ruskaja zemlja.
Ameri su sigurno po ovom pitanju (= svojatanju kontinenta) jos gori, ali i uspesniji: Kanadjani ce 'ladno reci "Americans" i to ce uvek znaciti samo jedno - susede sa juga. Interesantno, "North Americans" ce vec sasvim tacno podrazumevati i Kanadjane i Meksikance.
Though... malo ti je ipak trulo da se ljutis. Sve dok je Srbija u Evropi iskljucivo geografski.
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apokalipticni bifo
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2068-a-coup-in-greece-four-difficult-questions-from-franco-bifo-berardi
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2068-a-coup-in-greece-four-difficult-questions-from-franco-bifo-berardi
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No Country for Old Man wrote:
Though... malo ti je ipak trulo da se ljutis. Sve dok je Srbija u Evropi iskljucivo geografski.
Можда, but every time I hear tem say Europe and mean EU I'll stic'em somewere. If it's a conversation - wic tey usually avoid.
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ostap bender wrote:apokalipticni bifo
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2068-a-coup-in-greece-four-difficult-questions-from-franco-bifo-berardi
meni je fascinantna lakoca za filozofiranje na sasvim jednostavne teme i situacije. sto se tice grcke i grka, bottom line je da oni vec najmanje 30 godina zive zivotnim standardom koji nisu zaradili, i tih 505 milijardi evra od 1981 do danas nije samo otislo u dzepove kokalisa, kirjakua i drugih tajkunskih familija nego dobrim delom u dzep svakog grka tako sto im je plata otisla sa realnih 500 na 1500e. znaci sve isto kao mi nekada.
sada kada je balon pukao i kada je dosao trenutak da se penzija spusti sa 1500 na 500 evra, drama je, evro je propao, EZ je nocna mora, EU nikada nije ni postojao.
e pa nece bas biti tako. lako je biti emocionalan, mrzeti angelu junkersa i ostale, i pozivati se na to da ce bebe da umiru u bolnicama i nece biti para za citostatike ali je bottom line da ovo sto se desilo neverovatan pokazatelj koji je smehotres od drzave i drustva sama grcka.
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Зар нису за лоше уговоре криве обе стране?
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naravno da je uvek kriv onaj koji ti je pozajmio pare koje ne mozes da vratis.
mislim, da moja pokojna baba olga iz natalinaca nije imala izreku "duzan ko grcka" koju je obilato koristila sa svojim drugaricama, jos bih bio sklon da poverujem da su grci krivi.
mislim, da moja pokojna baba olga iz natalinaca nije imala izreku "duzan ko grcka" koju je obilato koristila sa svojim drugaricama, jos bih bio sklon da poverujem da su grci krivi.
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to "dužan ko grčka" mi je na nivou "when shit hits the fan".
ne mora nužno da bude tačno, ali zvuči zabavno.
ne mora nužno da bude tačno, ali zvuči zabavno.
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@kondo: pa ne razumem sta je tvoj problem sa bifovim tekstom. niko ne spori da je grcka zaduzena. to je samo srce ove price. ali ovde se ne radi o pametnim nemcima i glupim grcima vec o sistemskim pitanjima poput de-socijalizacije kapitala i bankarskog sistema. ukoliko evropa to ne moze da resi ona zapravo i postoji samo kao unija banaka a ne kao unija gradjana. to je poenta.
inace dod danas sam mislio da se siriza preigrala ali citajuci onaj junkerov nastup cini se da se ovde svasta jos valja iza brega. videcemo.
inace dod danas sam mislio da se siriza preigrala ali citajuci onaj junkerov nastup cini se da se ovde svasta jos valja iza brega. videcemo.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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ostap bender wrote:apokalipticni bifo
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2068-a-coup-in-greece-four-difficult-questions-from-franco-bifo-berardi
Benjaminovski kraj.
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Inače je tekst odličan, a i tamo gde preteruje, preteruje s dobrim razlogom.
Nema evropske javnosti, nema naroda, nema građanstva, nema politike. Forsirali ste sistem u kojem su države jedne drugima vukovi, šta se čudite kad počnu da se proždiru.
Nema evropske javnosti, nema naroda, nema građanstva, nema politike. Forsirali ste sistem u kojem su države jedne drugima vukovi, šta se čudite kad počnu da se proždiru.
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William Murderface wrote:ostap bender wrote:apokalipticni bifo
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2068-a-coup-in-greece-four-difficult-questions-from-franco-bifo-berardi
Benjaminovski kraj.
meni je tekst lepo sumirao sta je problem evrope mimo grcke. rat na jugu, rat na istoku, zid u panoniji, kriza u grckoj... nasuprot ovim 'liberalima' koji bljuckaju nad ciprasovim populizmom ja mislim da su populisti i nacionalisti posvuda na vlasti u evropi osim u grckoj.
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Tačno tako. I tamo gde nisu na vlasti otvoreni fašovi, centar je prihvatio dobar deo njihovog programa.
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imamo brodovo pune ljudi koji pokusavaju da nekako predju mediteran? sta da se radi? bombardujmo brodove.
inace
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2073-letter-of-support-for-greece
inace
http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2073-letter-of-support-for-greece
Letter of support for Greece
Signed by Etienne Balibar, Costas Douzinas, Barbara Spinelli, Rowan Williams, Immanuel Wallerstein, Slavoj Zizek, Michael Mansfield, Judith Butler, Chantal Mouffe, Homi Bhabha, Wendy Brown, Eric Fassin, and Tariq Ali.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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pa nije sporan taj mozaik koji se upravo sastavlja pred nasim ocima. samo bih ja grcku izvadio van te jednacine jer je taj njihov tridesetogodisnje dolce vita vrlo slican onome sto smo mi ziveli ovde pre nego sto smo vrlo brzo dotakli dno. kod njih je sticajem okolnosti ta spirala ponora bila nesto blaza i nikada se nece zavrsiti na plati od 20 maraka ali svejedno, ziv nisam da nadjem nekog grka koji ce da kaze, jbga, lepo smo ziveli na parama koje su nam pale s neba a sad razlaz. super je iskoristiti celu furtutmu da se uspostavi ideoloska vertikala u odnosu na europolitiku i euroregulativu, izvanredno je proglasiti junkersa idiotom i angelu odvratnom, kada to vec i jesu, jedino sto grcki problemi pocinju i zavrsavaju u grckoj a ne ovde. a kada mi neko pomene otpustene i osiromasene, mogu da im posaljem listu vise od 200 otpustenih iz moje firme ciji su vlasnici grci. kapitalisti, naravno, ali sa istom kurcoboljom za trudne zene i roditelje male dece koju ima isti taj junkers i angela za jorgosa i elenu, mozda cak i sa malo vecom.
ovo mi je super
LEIGH SALES: Just to go back to Greece specifically, the politicians in Greece couldn’t even agree on the terms of a televised debate during the election campaign. How are they going to compromise on measures to fix the Greek economy?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: They cannot fix the Greek economy. The Greek economy is finished. The Greek economy is in a great, great depression. The growing social economy is in its long, long winter of discontent. There is no power, no force within the Greek economy, with Greek society that can avert – it’s like – imagine if we were in Ohio in 1931 and we were to ask: what can Ohio politicians do to get Ohio out of the Great Depression? The answer is nothing.
LEIGH SALES: So what then happens to Greece?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: It depends on what happens in the eurozone. Just like what happened in Ohio depended of the rise of President Roosevelt and the New Deal, unless we have a new deal for Europe, Greece is not going to get a chance. Now it doesn’t mean that if Europe fix itself, Greece will fix itself. It’s a necessary condition that the eurozone finds a rational plan for itself. It’s not a sufficient condition. Europe may fix itself and Greece, being so flimsy and malignant, may still have huge problems and never recover. But until and unless the eurozone finds a rational plan for stopping this train wreck throughout the European Union, throughout the eurozone, Greece has no chance at all.
LEIGH SALES: I read some statistics today that seven out of 10 Greeks want to emigrate. How would you describe the national mood there?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: This is a our Great Depression. Not only in an economic sense, but also in a psychological sense. Greeks are in a catatonic state. One moment, in a state of rage, another, this is a typical case of manic depression. There are no prospects. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. There are sacrifices, but nobody gets a feeling that these are sacrifices that take the form of some kind of investment in turning the corner. This is the problem when you are stuck in a eurozone which is really badly designed, which is collapsing and which does not give opportunities to its flimsier parts to escape through some kind of redemptive crisis.
LEIGH SALES: Yanis Varoufakis, we can hear how noisy it is there. Thank you very much for making the time to speak to us tonight.
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: Thank you.
ovo mi je super
LEIGH SALES: Just to go back to Greece specifically, the politicians in Greece couldn’t even agree on the terms of a televised debate during the election campaign. How are they going to compromise on measures to fix the Greek economy?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: They cannot fix the Greek economy. The Greek economy is finished. The Greek economy is in a great, great depression. The growing social economy is in its long, long winter of discontent. There is no power, no force within the Greek economy, with Greek society that can avert – it’s like – imagine if we were in Ohio in 1931 and we were to ask: what can Ohio politicians do to get Ohio out of the Great Depression? The answer is nothing.
LEIGH SALES: So what then happens to Greece?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: It depends on what happens in the eurozone. Just like what happened in Ohio depended of the rise of President Roosevelt and the New Deal, unless we have a new deal for Europe, Greece is not going to get a chance. Now it doesn’t mean that if Europe fix itself, Greece will fix itself. It’s a necessary condition that the eurozone finds a rational plan for itself. It’s not a sufficient condition. Europe may fix itself and Greece, being so flimsy and malignant, may still have huge problems and never recover. But until and unless the eurozone finds a rational plan for stopping this train wreck throughout the European Union, throughout the eurozone, Greece has no chance at all.
LEIGH SALES: I read some statistics today that seven out of 10 Greeks want to emigrate. How would you describe the national mood there?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: This is a our Great Depression. Not only in an economic sense, but also in a psychological sense. Greeks are in a catatonic state. One moment, in a state of rage, another, this is a typical case of manic depression. There are no prospects. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. There are sacrifices, but nobody gets a feeling that these are sacrifices that take the form of some kind of investment in turning the corner. This is the problem when you are stuck in a eurozone which is really badly designed, which is collapsing and which does not give opportunities to its flimsier parts to escape through some kind of redemptive crisis.
LEIGH SALES: Yanis Varoufakis, we can hear how noisy it is there. Thank you very much for making the time to speak to us tonight.
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: Thank you.
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Kondo wrote:a kada mi neko pomene otpustene i osiromasene, mogu da im posaljem listu vise od 200 otpustenih iz moje firme ciji su vlasnici grci. kapitalisti, naravno, ali sa istom kurcoboljom za trudne zene i roditelje male dece koju ima isti taj junkers i angela za jorgosa i elenu, mozda cak i sa malo vecom.
da, ali kad junkers izađe pred javnost i kaže: "uradio sam sve što mogu", on se zapravo ne obraća građanima, već krupnome kapitalu.
tu je zapravo problem.
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Kondo wrote:pa nije sporan taj mozaik koji se upravo sastavlja pred nasim ocima. samo bih ja grcku izvadio van te jednacine jer je taj njihov tridesetogodisnje dolce vita vrlo slican onome sto smo mi ziveli ovde pre nego sto smo vrlo brzo dotakli dno. kod njih je sticajem okolnosti ta spirala ponora bila nesto blaza i nikada se nece zavrsiti na plati od 20 maraka ali svejedno, ziv nisam da nadjem nekog grka koji ce da kaze, jbga, lepo smo ziveli na parama koje su nam pale s neba a sad razlaz. super je iskoristiti celu furtutmu da se uspostavi ideoloska vertikala u odnosu na europolitiku i euroregulativu, izvanredno je proglasiti junkersa idiotom i angelu odvratnom, kada to vec i jesu, jedino sto grcki problemi pocinju i zavrsavaju u grckoj a ne ovde. a kada mi neko pomene otpustene i osiromasene, mogu da im posaljem listu vise od 200 otpustenih iz moje firme ciji su vlasnici grci. kapitalisti, naravno, ali sa istom kurcoboljom za trudne zene i roditelje male dece koju ima isti taj junkers i angela za jorgosa i elenu, mozda cak i sa malo vecom.
ovo mi je super
LEIGH SALES: Just to go back to Greece specifically, the politicians in Greece couldn’t even agree on the terms of a televised debate during the election campaign. How are they going to compromise on measures to fix the Greek economy?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: They cannot fix the Greek economy. The Greek economy is finished. The Greek economy is in a great, great depression. The growing social economy is in its long, long winter of discontent. There is no power, no force within the Greek economy, with Greek society that can avert – it’s like – imagine if we were in Ohio in 1931 and we were to ask: what can Ohio politicians do to get Ohio out of the Great Depression? The answer is nothing.
LEIGH SALES: So what then happens to Greece?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: It depends on what happens in the eurozone. Just like what happened in Ohio depended of the rise of President Roosevelt and the New Deal, unless we have a new deal for Europe, Greece is not going to get a chance. Now it doesn’t mean that if Europe fix itself, Greece will fix itself. It’s a necessary condition that the eurozone finds a rational plan for itself. It’s not a sufficient condition. Europe may fix itself and Greece, being so flimsy and malignant, may still have huge problems and never recover. But until and unless the eurozone finds a rational plan for stopping this train wreck throughout the European Union, throughout the eurozone, Greece has no chance at all.
LEIGH SALES: I read some statistics today that seven out of 10 Greeks want to emigrate. How would you describe the national mood there?
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: This is a our Great Depression. Not only in an economic sense, but also in a psychological sense. Greeks are in a catatonic state. One moment, in a state of rage, another, this is a typical case of manic depression. There are no prospects. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. There are sacrifices, but nobody gets a feeling that these are sacrifices that take the form of some kind of investment in turning the corner. This is the problem when you are stuck in a eurozone which is really badly designed, which is collapsing and which does not give opportunities to its flimsier parts to escape through some kind of redemptive crisis.
LEIGH SALES: Yanis Varoufakis, we can hear how noisy it is there. Thank you very much for making the time to speak to us tonight.
YANIS VAROUFAKIS: Thank you.
pa o tome se radi. ti jorgosi se sasvim lepo razumeju sa junkerom. evropska desnica kaze da moze da se dogovori s onima koji su se zaduzili ali ne sa onima koji dolaze izvan sistema i koji su zapravo jedna mala demokratska revolucija.
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Dužan k'o Grčka - to nisu izmislile Kondova i moja baba.
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-history-of-greek-debt-and-bankruptcy-8876
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-history-of-greek-debt-and-bankruptcy-8876
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Napravili su indigogo kampanju za vraćanje grčkog duga. Cilj je 1.6 milijardi do sutra.. :-D