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Zaštobašsadikometoodgovara?
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Vesti#B92 pretvorene u promociju grčke državne politike...kome i čemu ovolika minutaža posvećena izborima u Grčkoj? Budalaština...
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Krugman.Ako problem uopšte postoji, onda je to što planovi Sirize nisu možda dovoljno radikalni.
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On the deal between Syriza and ANEL
Here are some immediate thoughts. They include *how* we on the international and internationalist Left might respond. As well as what - in my opinion - we should say:
1) Do not cry, do not wax indignant, understand. The great enlightenment philosopher Spinoza's advice is pertinent. Let's understand the logic (of which I am critical). This is not a time for absolutism. But neither for being mealymouthed.
2) This is not a surprise. The meeting lasted an hour between Alexis and Kammenos. It was finalising things. Discussions have been underway for some time. It will not do to say this is an emergency measure caused by falling short of 151 seats. And it certainly will not do to blame the Left - in or outside Syriza. Why?
3) As I explained in running commentary - seeking a coalition partner was never a matter of parliamentary arithmetic. It is about political logic.
4) The argument for including ANEL goes like this: we face a national humanitarian disaster. Greece faces international foes. Just as it did under the Mussolini invasion and the Third Reich occupation. We cannot face up to that with 36 percent support. The Left must broaden its base. To Potami and Pasok would weaken the anti-memorandum position. ANEL will have to stick with an anti-memorandum line. So we will strengthen the anti-memorandum hand in the negotiations with the Troika by having them in the tent. Additionally, this will discombobulate the Right. For the moderates in Syriza it also gives a counterweight to the Left.
5) (I am trying to do justice to the argument above. I do not agree with it.) This is not just tactics. It is a product of strategy. The theory of how to win hegemony this works from looks to the building of political blocs (resting on class blocs). That finds intellectual resource in a variety of traditions - Communist, eurocommunist, Maoist, even variants of the Trotskyist. I can justify those claims, but not right now. Put the ideological tradition to one side. The issue is political strategy. Consider that and then you can make sense of the ideological justification which, like mathematics to the natural sciences, comes in as handmaiden.
6) How can a party of the radical Left be in alliance with that Greek Ukip? Well - the memorandum cuts through politics in Greece orthogonally (at right angles) to the Left/Right divide. It is possible to be Right wing on all the social questions and against the memorandum. ANEL may loosely be compared with Ukip. But it was formed out of a split from New Democracy on an anti-memorandum basis. Ukip in Britain is Thatcherite and struggles to articulate the mood against austerity.
7) What is ANEL. It is a nationalist, xenophobic, anti-German party. But it has not built its support - unlike GD - on the basis of popular racism. It has built it by not being part of the coalitions which implemented austerity. That is an important distinction. But it is racist. Kammenos voted against the Pasok (when in government alone) law to grant citizenship rights to children of immigrants. Syriza supported the law. It has opposed the concentration camps for immigrants.
8) How does that pan out? Some on the Left of Syriza - many - are saying that with 149 MPs to ANEL's 13, Syriza will "hegemonize" Kammenos. Friends from the internationalist wing of formal majority of Syriza - 70 percent of the Congress - say that. But they are worried by the move and do not like it.
9) The position of the Left Platform? Most of the Left Platform - led by Panayiotis Lafazanis - were privately more against a deal with To Potami or Pasok than with ANEL. Why? Because they share the strategy of building broad "popular alliances" shaped by what they frame as a "national struggle" against the Troika. Alexis Tsipras played with that language a lot in his victory speech last night. He spoke of sovereignty and national dignity. He did not describe the election as a victory for the Left. But it was a Left victory.
10) The anti-racist mobilisations and demands to do better than Pasok immigration, human rights, police brutality and jailing GD therefore become even more important in providing a counter pole to the presence of ANEL in the government. Kammenos - a poster boy of the shipping magnates - is pitching for shipping minister. That ministry has been in the hands of the maritime oligarchs for the last 40 years whoever is office. People voted for a break with the old corruption, not for tolerating it under a Left government born of hope.
11) The KKE? Its leader did not stick the boot into ANEL in his speech last night (but rightly attacked the GD as neo-Nazis). It will lambast the government as "more of the same".
12) The anti-capitalist Left is in a position to make a clear political explanation of what is wrong with the forming of the coalition. The clarity and strength of that argument is immediately bound up with the movements, against racism and for migrant rights especially.
13) Was there an alternative? Yes. Syriza could have formed a minority government. But that would mean being very clear that the strategy was of using all positions of strength of the Left, inside and outside government, to conduct a fight with the Right, the oligarchs and the Troika. It is perfectly constitutionally possible to form a minority government. And politically. An aggressive challenge to the minor parties to vote against the government would put them under enormous pressure. In fact, with ANEL in the coalition, the government will have to rely on this tactic anyway. For example, if it wants to propose decent measures over migrants, racism, police behaviour, LGBT equality, it will have to challenge the likes of Pasok and the liberal modernising To Potami to dare vote against them, while facing down objections from ANEL. Either that or, despite the 149 to 13 balance of the coalition, the tail will wag the dog.
14) We are at the beginnings of this process. Not the end. There will be much more of this kind of thing. We must prepare for it and calmly understand and explain. Tout comprendre c'est tout pardoner: to understand all is to excuse all, goes another maxim. It can lead to that. But it should not. There is a debate. Some genuinely believe this to be a correct policy. I am one of those who does not. There is nothing wrong in friends of the Greek movement and Left saying so. And if you do think so, you should say so.
15) But we don't want to demoralise people? No, we must not. The Left depends on hope and we must approach this - as all the future questions - from the standpoint of how we develop hope. That rests on deepening the impact of the electoral success in Greece and the breach it opens up over austerity and, whatever the political machinations here, over racism too.
16) So we should make our case from the standpoint of
a) developing the resistance and movements of hope where we are
b) seriously and acknowledging that these are major questions of strategy. That means debating them through and not foreclosing the argument with outraged indignation. It also requires talking to those from other traditions - with other viewpoints - an not just the comfort of those who agree with us.
c) placing a premium upon fraternal and intelligent political arguments. The aim is to convince, not to denounce.
d) taking account of the big lines of division - with the right and with the elites imposing austerity. The argument against putting ANEL in government is that it weakened the front on those battle lines. That has to be shown.
Concretely - a massive and unified display of opposition on the international day of action on 21 March, which originated in Greece, against racism and fascism and for migrant and Muslim rights is now a date which all on the Left should bookmark and take action on.
There will be much more too. But we should approach it all in this spirit.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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sjajna analiza, hvala timure.
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Ček, ovaj zadrigli partner Sirize ladno traži okretanje ka Rusiji? Lol.
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Pogodi sa ambasadorom koje zemlje je Cipras prvo razgovarao. Imaš pravo samo na jedan odgovor
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fridman - stratfor
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/new-drivers-europes-geopolitics#axzz3PxWiORCF
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/new-drivers-europes-geopolitics#axzz3PxWiORCF
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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Bluberi wrote:Pogodi sa ambasadorom koje zemlje je Cipras prvo razgovarao. Imaš pravo samo na jedan odgovor
Pa mislim da sam i ja napisao da se susreo sa Andrejom Maslovim, ambasadorom Rusije.
Lepo je videti da je izražena potreba da se osnaže odnosi Evroazijske Unije i Romejske Postojbine.
Inače, nemački propagandni list i samim tim legitimna vojna meta u budućnosti Dojče Vele najstrašnije dehumanizuje Ciprasa odvratnim rečnikom malograđanštine dostojnim Krleta Tuponje.
U pitanju je politfunkcioner koji nikada praktikovao pravo građansko zanimanje i koji je u svom političkom usponu pokazao premalo takta.
Šta je koji kurac pravo građansko zanimanje? I da li je za razliku od njega Vučić, veliki prijatelj Angele Merkel, u svom usponu demonstrirao takt, usput se baveći pravim građšanskim zanimanjima?
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a anel je ekstremna desnica iako postoje segmenti demohriscana i torijevaca koji bi njihove stavove potpisali word for word.
inace zanimljivo je da su i fridman i krugman 'normalniji' u svom pisanju od open democracy, na primer (tekst je uzasna mantra o populizmu i kompetativnosti i kako je opasno stvarati antagonistickepolitike unutar jednog drustva).
inace zanimljivo je da su i fridman i krugman 'normalniji' u svom pisanju od open democracy, na primer (tekst je uzasna mantra o populizmu i kompetativnosti i kako je opasno stvarati antagonistickepolitike unutar jednog drustva).
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Niko i Nista wrote:Bauk kruži Evropom - bauk komunizma.
Sve sile stare Evrope ujedinile su se u svetu hajku protiv ovog bauka, rimski papa i ruski car, Metternich i Guizot, francuski radikali i njemacki policajci. Gdje je ona opozicijska stranka koju njeni protivnici na vlasti nisu ozloglasili kao komunisticku? Gdje je ona opoziciona partija koja nije naprednijim opozicionarima kao i svojim reakcionarnim protivnicima uzvratila prijekor koji ih je imao žigosati kao komuniste?
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Ciprasov stan u Ateni... Fotografiju se objavljuje kao primjer njegove skromnosti, iako je to zapravo ”urbana vila”, koja bi u Rimu izgledala fenomenalno, budući da je arhitektonski i izvedbeno zapravo u lukuznom apartmanskom bloku, samo što to u Ateni izgleda kao svinjac jer se ondje sve pretvori u svinjac usred opće deregulacije društva - Balkan gori od Beograda. Pogledajmo travuljinu koja je posvuda zarasla oko kuće, gdje se parkiraju automobili. Cijelo prizemlje vile pretvoreno je u odlagalište krupnog otpada. Na krovu je neka bespravna gradnja, bez kakve nije ni jedna atenska zgrada. Vila lijevo ima i neku strašnu nadstrešnicu u prizemlju.
Evo, to je slikovit prikaz - gdje je otišao novac koji je Grčka zdrobila i što nije u redu s tom državom. Atena je narasla na - 5 milijuna stanovnika! Potpuni kaos, a svi žele živjeti kao građani, iako taj mega-metropolis ne korespondira s nikakvom nacionalnom ekonomijom ili njenom svjetskom pozicijom...
Atena pretendira da bude Pariz, a zapravo je glavni grad jedne pasivne zemlje i otočja koje živi samo ljeti, dok je država razorena u nekoliko generacija promašenim političkim idejama... Velikohelenski program koji ih je nagnao u rat s Turskom dvadesetih godina završio je nacionalnom katastrofom. Poslije su imali fašističku diktaturu (Metaxas) i izgubili rat s Osovinskim silama. Uslijedila je okupacija pod kojom se miralo od gladi, jer Grčka nema poljoprivredu a morala je hraniti i okupacijsku armiju. Zatim su u građanskom ratu pobijedili Zervasovi četnici. Zatim je vođen drugi, poratni, rat s Titovim snagama (1944-1949) u kojemu su pobijedili tek uz masivnu anglo-američku vojnu asistenciju i kad je Tito odustao jer je prišao NATO-u (Gramos). Zatim su imali nestabilnost, pa pukovnički vojni režim, sukob s Turskom oko Cipra, s Jugoslavijom oko Makedonije i Soluna koji su etnički očistili (asimilirali slavomakedonce) i s Varšavskim paktom oko Pirina i, naravno, ponovo makedonskog pitanja, koje zapravo ne postoji...
Sve je završilo dolaskom na vlast Papandreua koji je ustanovio socijalističku državu blagostanja utemeljenu na zaduživanju u inozemstvu. Dotle su krupni kapitalisti (brodovlasnici) oslobođeni poreza (poreska stopa za brodarstvo je - 0), a srednja klasa počela je živjeti u Ateni kao na Olimpu na hypo-kreditima. Grčka stalno ima isti problem - oni ne razumiju da su mala, beznačjna, siromašna južnoeuropska zemlja kao Portugal, da nemaju nikakve veze s antičkom grčkom ili s Bizantom, jer su u suvremeno doba naprosto jedan turski vilajet, a poslije toga balkanska marionetska država britanske thalasokracije. Što je sve OK, i to je sjajna povijest s kojom možeš živjeti i saživjeti se shvatiš li samo koji su ti dosezi...
Ne može Atena biti Pariz, ne može grčka vojska parirati Turskoj, Grčka nije europska ekonomska ili politička sila, Grčka je de luxe Bugarska, još jedna Srbija i gotovo. Samo se moraju vratiti u realne okvire - plaće 500-1000 eura, turizam, poljoprivreda, ekonomska emigracija, skromna država i neusporedivo više rada i reda. Kad bi oni opet mogli postati skromni seljaci s otoka, koji još drže magarce kao temeljni transport, sve bi bilo u redu.
Trebali bi slušati Nijemce, a ne skupa s njima krasti. No tko bi takvu realističku doktrinu mogao prodati njihovom (našem ili bilo kojem) narodu, nemam pojma... Cipras je još jedan pravi grčki odabir najpogrešnije mogućnosti, baziran na ideji o grčkom prkosu, grčkoj važnosti i grčkoj pameti, koju odmah pronikneš kad vidiš gdje taj promašeni prezreli dječak stanuje...
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Ciprasov stan u Ateni... Fotografiju se objavljuje kao primjer njegove skromnosti, iako je to zapravo ”urbana vila”, koja bi u Rimu izgledala fenomenalno, budući da je arhitektonski i izvedbeno zapravo u lukuznom apartmanskom bloku, samo što to u Ateni izgleda kao svinjac jer se ondje sve pretvori u svinjac usred opće deregulacije društva - Balkan gori od Beograda. Pogledajmo travuljinu koja je posvuda zarasla oko kuće, gdje se parkiraju automobili. Cijelo prizemlje vile pretvoreno je u odlagalište krupnog otpada. Na krovu je neka bespravna gradnja, bez kakve nije ni jedna atenska zgrada. Vila lijevo ima i neku strašnu nadstrešnicu u prizemlju.
Evo, to je slikovit prikaz - gdje je otišao novac koji je Grčka zdrobila i što nije u redu s tom državom. Atena je narasla na - 5 milijuna stanovnika! Potpuni kaos, a svi žele živjeti kao građani, iako taj mega-metropolis ne korespondira s nikakvom nacionalnom ekonomijom ili njenom svjetskom pozicijom...
Atena pretendira da bude Pariz, a zapravo je glavni grad jedne pasivne zemlje i otočja koje živi samo ljeti, dok je država razorena u nekoliko generacija promašenim političkim idejama... Velikohelenski program koji ih je nagnao u rat s Turskom dvadesetih godina završio je nacionalnom katastrofom. Poslije su imali fašističku diktaturu (Metaxas) i izgubili rat s Osovinskim silama. Uslijedila je okupacija pod kojom se miralo od gladi, jer Grčka nema poljoprivredu a morala je hraniti i okupacijsku armiju. Zatim su u građanskom ratu pobijedili Zervasovi četnici. Zatim je vođen drugi, poratni, rat s Titovim snagama (1944-1949) u kojemu su pobijedili tek uz masivnu anglo-američku vojnu asistenciju i kad je Tito odustao jer je prišao NATO-u (Gramos). Zatim su imali nestabilnost, pa pukovnički vojni režim, sukob s Turskom oko Cipra, s Jugoslavijom oko Makedonije i Soluna koji su etnički očistili (asimilirali slavomakedonce) i s Varšavskim paktom oko Pirina i, naravno, ponovo makedonskog pitanja, koje zapravo ne postoji...
Sve je završilo dolaskom na vlast Papandreua koji je ustanovio socijalističku državu blagostanja utemeljenu na zaduživanju u inozemstvu. Dotle su krupni kapitalisti (brodovlasnici) oslobođeni poreza (poreska stopa za brodarstvo je - 0), a srednja klasa počela je živjeti u Ateni kao na Olimpu na hypo-kreditima. Grčka stalno ima isti problem - oni ne razumiju da su mala, beznačjna, siromašna južnoeuropska zemlja kao Portugal, da nemaju nikakve veze s antičkom grčkom ili s Bizantom, jer su u suvremeno doba naprosto jedan turski vilajet, a poslije toga balkanska marionetska država britanske thalasokracije. Što je sve OK, i to je sjajna povijest s kojom možeš živjeti i saživjeti se shvatiš li samo koji su ti dosezi...
Ne može Atena biti Pariz, ne može grčka vojska parirati Turskoj, Grčka nije europska ekonomska ili politička sila, Grčka je de luxe Bugarska, još jedna Srbija i gotovo. Samo se moraju vratiti u realne okvire - plaće 500-1000 eura, turizam, poljoprivreda, ekonomska emigracija, skromna država i neusporedivo više rada i reda. Kad bi oni opet mogli postati skromni seljaci s otoka, koji još drže magarce kao temeljni transport, sve bi bilo u redu.
Trebali bi slušati Nijemce, a ne skupa s njima krasti. No tko bi takvu realističku doktrinu mogao prodati njihovom (našem ili bilo kojem) narodu, nemam pojma... Cipras je još jedan pravi grčki odabir najpogrešnije mogućnosti, baziran na ideji o grčkom prkosu, grčkoj važnosti i grčkoj pameti, koju odmah pronikneš kad vidiš gdje taj promašeni prezreli dječak stanuje...
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Haha, kakav epohalni smrad taj Kuljiš.
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stvarno epohalni smrad. cuti marvo, ne nerviraj gazdu.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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pa to smece od kuljisa ionako direktno radi za gaulajtere nemackog kapitala na balkanu :filipenko:.
dok sam zaista protiv te neke teutonofobije koja drma pola evrope ovde je stvar ko iz ko to tamo peva.
dok sam zaista protiv te neke teutonofobije koja drma pola evrope ovde je stvar ko iz ko to tamo peva.
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And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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ali primetite kako je malo potrebno pa da tijanicev drugar iz dzipa, bazduljev kafa-drug i posetilac beogradskih knjizara postane nesto drugo: grcka je neka bugarska ili srbija ali nije nikako slovenija ili hrvatska. to je nesto drugo. druga civilizacija. civilni lazanski.
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Greshni Vasilije wrote:narode, desilo se čudo! progovorio praziluk!
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timur chevket wrote:dok sam zaista protiv te neke teutonofobije koja drma pola evrope ovde je stvar ko iz ko to tamo peva.
ja više uopšte nisam protiv teutonofobije. ovo rasističko zlo dolazi direktno iz Berlina i Londona, a ako se usudiš da progovoriš protiv toga, gotovo. nema više lepih reči, ko je protiv ovakvog kapitalizma, taj je antisemita, komunjara, maltene terorista, u svakom slučaju pripadnik inferiornog kulturnog kruga.
"nemačka medicina je najbolja na svetu" (kako je lepo napisao čovek koji je danas sluga tog istog pogleda na svet).
inače Grčka je članica EU u kojoj su se odigrali demokratski izbori u skladu sa zakonima te zemlje i sa demokratskim principima EU. i pored toga, prvo reagovanje iz Zapadne Evrope došlo je iz Bundesbanke. grčki "partneri" u evropskom projektu odlučili su da potpuno ponize tu zemlju i da je kazne zato što je upražnjavala demokratiju. meni to govori sve što želim da znam o EU i o Nemačkoj.
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To je zato što se ne baviš pravim građanskim zanimanjem, za razliku od timura
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timur chevket wrote:pa to smece od kuljisa ionako direktno radi za gaulajtere nemackog kapitala na balkanu :filipenko:.
dok sam zaista protiv te neke teutonofobije koja drma pola evrope ovde je stvar ko iz ko to tamo peva.
Ma čim on pljuje Sirizu i hvali Vučića, jasno je odakle vetar duva. A u pravu si, Bazdulj postaje drugi Kuljiš. Hravri kolumnista koju uvek klepa levicu i hvali neoliberalnu desnicu. Nije ni Teofil daleko, ali za razliku od ove dvojice on nije prefirgani skot, nego je samo glup.
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A o kakvom "poratnom ratu s Titovim snagama" on priča? Ne znam ništa o tome.
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- Post n°73
Re: Syriza ftw
Ne znam ni ja. Tito je posle rezolucije IB uskratio podršku grčkim partizanima, ali nisam čuo ni za kakve borbe.
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- Post n°74
Re: Syriza ftw
Čuvena neostvarena i neprežaljena Balkanska Sovjetska Socijalistička Respubljika. Od Triglava do Stambola grada, od Panonije do Peloponeza.
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- Post n°75
Re: Syriza ftw
ДРУШТВО: Интервју – Александар Вулин: Ципрас треба да се угледа на нас (Бојан Билбија)
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