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    Kamala vs Tramp

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    Ko pobedjuje?

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    One Eyed Bob, Tovar, lalinea, nalog sa ženinog laptopa, Del Cap, Јанош Винету, Thomas Sankara

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    MNE, rujofil, Daï Djakman Faré, kapetanm


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    Del Cap
    Јанош Винету
    MNE
    Thomas Sankara
    boomer crook
    rujofil
    plachkica
    Janko Suvar
    Beta Unit
    Daï Djakman Faré
    hk1
    Nektivni Ugnelj
    kapetanm
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    Летећи Полип

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    Post by Летећи Полип Yesterday at 9:27 pm

    boomer crook wrote:

    sto se tice glasanja i razloga glasanja videcemo u danima u pred nama. mislim niko s leva nema razloga da se bedaci ovde. izgubila je poruka koja nije njihova i jezik centrizma. ono sto ce biti problem bice napad na najugrozenije slojeve i transfer bogatstva masku i slicnima.


    Kamala je dobila vise novca za kampanju od Trampa. To svakako nije od Maska, ali jeste od njemu slicnih. Sigurno joj te pare nisu dali da bi ona transferirala bogatstvo od njih na dole.
    Јанош Винету

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    Post by Јанош Винету Yesterday at 10:04 pm

    Супербогати играју на обе карте, њима је свеједно.

    Маск, Тил, Цукербер ће добро проћи небитно ко је на власти. А властима је битно да они запошљавају људе.
    Епл, Микрософт, Гугл су мотори америчке технолошке моћи.

    Не треба ту тражити кваку. Победио је популиста, зато што је популаран међу популацијом. Елита је секундарна, супер је имати је на својој страни али не осваја она аутоматски изборе. Треба видети шта је популарно и зашто.


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    Post by rujofil Yesterday at 10:27 pm

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    Post by Del Cap Yesterday at 10:32 pm

    met karp:

    https://jacobin.com/2024/11/its-happening-again-trump-election-win

    In America, the Democrats’ position was doubly dire. Across the last decade, the defining pattern of national politics has been class dealignment: a vast migration of working-class voters away from the Democratic Party, matched by a flood of professional-class voters away from the Republicans. This was the decisive factor in 2016, when Hillary Clinton was toppled by the same Rust Belt proletarians who had elected Barack Obama. And it continued, more quietly but with unchecked motion, in the years when Democrats made up for their losses by winning more suburban professionals, in 2018, 2020, and 2022.

    Kamala Harris’s campaign was an embodiment of this shift. She herself ran a cautious but mostly competent race, moving to the right on the border, as voters seemed to demand, pummeling Trump on abortion, and — at least in her paid messages — wooing working-class voters with a bread-and-butter focus. But in the end, these narrow tactical decisions were overwhelmed by the altered nature of the Democratic Party as a whole.

    Even as Harris herself tried to avoid the toxic identity politics of Hillary 2016, she was overtaken by the “shadow party” — a constellation of NGOs, media organizations, and foundation-funded activists who now constitute the Democrats’ institutional rank and file. Thus “White Dudes For Harris” and its kindred, the effort to promote Never Trump Republicans in media, and the embarrassing attempts to win over black men with promises of legal marijuana and protections for crypto investments. These shadow party interventions in the race helped raise historic sums of money — over $1 billion in just a few months —  but also marked Harris as the property of an educated professional class, focused entirely on “democracy,” abortion rights, and personal identity but largely uninterested in material questions.

    In the last weeks of the campaign, Harris clearly pivoted in the same direction. At rallies and in interviews, she zeroed in on Trump himself as a deadly threat to America’s existing institutions. She barnstormed the swing states with Liz Cheney, labeling Trump’s verbal attack on Cheney as a “disqualifying” incident. In her final tour of the Midwest, she paused her own speeches to put Trump clips on the Jumbotron, seeming to believe that the former president would somehow defeat himself with his own words.

    It worked, in the sense that Harris won voters with college degrees by 15 points, a larger margin than in 2020. Voters making over $100,000 a year swung toward the Democrats in record numbers. The moderate Republicans in the suburbs, famously invoked by Chuck Schumer eight years ago, keep trickling into the Democratic coalition. It seems to serve them well enough in the midterms but not so much in the big-ticket contests. This year, the Liz Cheney Democrats were dwarfed by a vast working-class swing toward Trump, in many flavors: rural voters, low-income voters, Latino voters, and black male voters, from Texas to New Hampshire. Even as progressive pundits hailed the post-Dobbs gender gap, boasting that Republicans had ruined themselves with female voters for a generation, non-college-educated women swung toward Trump by 6 points.

    Above all, Harris and the Democrats failed to reach voters who have a negative view of the economy — not just Republican partisans but two-thirds of yesterday’s electorate. With her modest bundle of targeted economic initiatives, joined occasionally to a half-hearted populist rhetoric, is it a surprise that she failed to convince these frustrated voters? Almost 80 percent of the voters who listed the economy as their top issue cast a ballot for Trump. How much can a few months of targeted advertising do, compared to a broader Democratic shadow party that has been trumpeting the health of the economy — low unemployment, wage growth, and a booming stock market — for over a year now? If voters did not believe that Harris had a real plan to make their lives better, materially, it is hard to fault them.

    Finally, it is only fair to add that Harris faced a uniquely difficult task in this election. For over a year, an already unpopular Democratic president has lacked the physical capacity to communicate with the public. Nevertheless, the shadow party stuck with Joe Biden, propped him up, angrily shouted down any dissenters who questioned whether his political skills — not to mention his judgment, on Israel/Palestine and elsewhere — had entered a terminal decline.

    After Biden finally malfunctioned at the debate, it still took Democrats a month to swap him off the ticket. (For all the memes celebrating Nancy Pelosi for her “ruthless” role in this last-minute effort, few bothered to note the fecklessness of the Democratic leadership that had allowed Biden to last that long to begin with.) Harris thus entered the race with a makeshift campaign, already trailing heavily in the polls. Plucked to join the Biden 2020 ticket as a first-term California senator, she herself lacked any experience defeating Republicans in a competitive statewide election.

    Between the global hex of inflation, the slow creep of dealignment, and the Biden fiasco, the prospects for a Republican victory in 2024 were always large. Trump himself seemed to recognize this better than the pundit class, running a cavalier campaign that junked much of his rhetorical “populism” for an embrace of billionaire budget cutters like Elon Musk. His arrogance has been rewarded with another term. Like most second terms, it is likely to end in disappointment for his supporters, frittered away in unpopular policy lurches, a rush of scandal, and lots of time on the golf course. But until Democrats can find a way to win back some large chunk of working-class voters, Trump’s successors will be favored in the next presidential election, anyway.
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    Post by Del Cap Yesterday at 10:33 pm

    rujofil wrote:

    nisu svi glasovi s ovih izbora izbrojani, na kamari.
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    Post by Del Cap Yesterday at 10:35 pm

    Berni:

    “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them…”
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    Post by One Eyed Bob Yesterday at 10:36 pm

    Najuspešnija izborna krađa svih vremena, toliko uspešna da je apsolutno nigde u SAD nisu primetili ni GOP-eri koji su sedeli po izbornim komisijama, radili u tužilaštvima, policiji itd, ali zato nije izmakla bejsment dvelerima koji dane provode na tviteru i povremeno snime besni video zapis za volanom svog douche truck-a.

    U međuvremenu duboka država propo, zaspao i zaboravio da namesti izbore i sada imamo šta imamo.

    Realan odgovor je da Kalifornija nije prebrojana.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Yesterday at 10:42 pm

    S druge strane imaš ovo:



    Postoje dva objašnjenja, a ja ću se zadržati na mom gut feelingu kada sam čuo da će umesto Bajdena biti Kamala:


    Nisu hteli belu ženu za predsednika, pa će sada double down sa crnom ženom za predsednika? Nema šanse da dobije.


    Onda sam pomislio da hoće kada se lepo videli da se Tramp raspada po šavovima i da je najverovatnije da je dovoljno da Kamala ne pravi gafove i da će proći. A onda sam se prošetao po mom kraju koji je glasao 2:1 za Bajdena i video da skoro da nema Trump/Walz znakova ispred kuća. Apatija. Okrug koji je bio 54-46 Za Bajdena je ovog puta bio 52-48.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by One Eyed Bob Yesterday at 10:49 pm

    pa meni je i dalje na pameti osećaj koji ne mogu da potkrepim empirijom, a to je da rezultat ima veze sa polom i rasom više nego što se u tom društvu priznaje javno, ili čak i u krugu najbližih. i da, znam da je Obama imao dva mandata, ali on nije bio crna žena.

    ne pomaže ni to što je ta žena apsolutno bez harizme i malo liči na sporednog lika iz Office-a, ali nekako sam se nadao da to neće biti previše važno.


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    Post by MNE Yesterday at 10:53 pm

    One Eyed Bob wrote:pa meni je i dalje na pameti osećaj koji ne mogu da potkrepim empirijom, a to je da rezultat ima veze sa polom i rasom više nego što se u tom društvu priznaje javno, ili čak i u krugu najbližih. i da, znam da je Obama imao dva mandata, ali on nije bio crna žena.

    ne pomaže ni to što je ta žena apsolutno bez harizme i malo liči na sporednog lika iz Office-a, ali nekako sam se nadao da to neće biti previše važno.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Yesterday at 10:53 pm

    Ma to sam ja u startu pomislio, al ja živim u Americi ne računa se to, ko na bregu stoji bolje vidi šta je u dolini, aj još jedan krug kako joj je ekonomski plan bio loš, nema veze što je Trampov plan bio trust me bro.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Yesterday at 10:54 pm

    Mislim, posle ova dva kruga neće im pasti na pamet da stavljaju žene na ticket.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Sox Yesterday at 11:07 pm

    Ovde se previdja jedan dogadja koji su verovatno republikanci progurali u finisu kampanje a to je "Afera P-Didi".

    Obama je dosao u jednom specificnom trenutku koji se retko ponavlja. Pitanje kako bi on prosao npr. 2024 umesto Haris.
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    Post by Јанош Винету Yesterday at 11:47 pm

    Ма каква П-Диди афера, кога то брига.
    Трамп био на Епштајновом педофилском острву, као и половина Републиканске и Демократске и холивудске елите.

    Ове изборе нису одлучиле ситне моралне панике него егзистенцијални проблеми.

    Хвала вам што сте потврдили моја предубеђења, оно истраживање да Трампове гласаче инфлација више погађа него Камалине је дефинитивно нешто што узимам за кључну ствар.

    Средњој класи у Америци је и даље добро. ”Богати постају све богатији, сиромашнији све сиромашнији”.  
    Господа ситуирани професори понављају већ 20 година ово као очигледну чињеницу, али то може да иде само до неке границе. Испод границе сиромаштва људи престају да буду људи, постају звери, гледају само како да имају шта да једу и да пију и да се обуку. Сиромаштво и константан финансијски стрес дословно отупљује људе, смањује им IQ. Трампови гласачи су полулуди лумпени али и америчка џентрија, екипа која је правила 6. јануар. Ликови са роговима на главама, са неким ситним рентијерским бизнисима који пропадају услед глобализације. Ти људи можда нису сиромашни, можда ни близу, али осећају да им се тло измиче.  

    Кога брига за неке Епштајне и П-Дидије кад немаш да платиш струју, воду, станарину, кад ти станодавац куца на врата. Трамп им нешто обећава, та обећања су лудом радовање као и сиротињи у Вучићевом систему, али се они опет држе неких глупости које Трамп лупета јер материјални бољитак неће видети.  Зато им је боље да се обећава депортовање нелегалаца, ”чишћење политичке мочваре”, анти-елитизма, повратка послова. Трамп врати 1000 послова у некој фабрици, а технолошке фирме отпусте 10.000 радника због аутсорсинга у Индију и Источну Европу.

    Са друге стране, не верујем да је америчко друштво толико расистичко и сексистичко. Воле они и Вивека Рамасвамија и Тулси Габард, волели су и Сару Пејлин док се није потрошила. Не занима њих одавно које је боје њихова мачка, само да лови противничке мишеве.


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