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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:02 pm

    A i jevrejska oblast je opustela.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Tue Nov 07, 2023 9:11 pm

    BREAKING: 🇮🇱 IDF fighter jets are flying over parts of Beirut at low altitudes
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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:37 am

    ne daj boze da su demonstrirali ili nesto radili protiv glasanja srbije u UN. Ko ce da napada vlast...
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    Post by rumbeando Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:44 am

    How Years of Israeli Failures on Hamas Led to a Devastating Attack
    Israeli officials completely underestimated the magnitude of the Oct. 7 attacks by Hamas, shattering the country’s once invincible sense of security.

    It was 3 a.m. on Oct. 7, and Ronen Bar, the head of Israel’s domestic security service, still could not determine if what he was seeing was just another Hamas military exercise.
    At the headquarters of his service, Shin Bet, officials had spent hours monitoring Hamas activity in the Gaza Strip, which was unusually active for the middle of the night. Israeli intelligence and national security officials, who had convinced themselves that Hamas had no interest in going to war, initially assumed it was just a nighttime exercise.
    Their judgment that night might have been different had they been listening to traffic on the hand-held radios of Hamas militants. But Unit 8200, Israel’s signals intelligence agency, had stopped eavesdropping on those networks a year earlier because they saw it as a waste of effort.
    As time passed that night, Mr. Bar thought that Hamas might attempt a small-scale assault. He discussed his concerns with Israel’s top generals and ordered the “Tequila” team — a group of elite counterterrorism forces — to deploy to Israel’s southern border.
    Until nearly the start of the attack, nobody believed the situation was serious enough to wake up Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to three Israeli defense officials.
    Within hours, the Tequila troops were embroiled in a battle with thousands of Hamas gunmen who penetrated Israel’s vaunted border fence, sped in trucks and on motorbikes into southern Israel and attacked villages and military bases.
    The most powerful military force in the Middle East had not only completely underestimated the magnitude of the attack, it had totally failed in its intelligence-gathering efforts, mostly due to hubris and the mistaken assumption that Hamas was a threat contained.
    Despite Israel’s sophisticated technological prowess in espionage, Hamas gunmen had undergone extensive training for the assault, virtually undetected for at least a year. The fighters, who were divided into different units with specific goals, had meticulous information on Israel’s military bases and the layout of kibbutzim.
    The country’s once invincible sense of security was shattered.
    More than 1,400 people were killed, including many women, children and old people who were murdered systematically and brutally. Hundreds are held hostage or are still missing. (...)
    A New York Times examination, based on dozens of interviews with Israeli, Arab, European and American officials, as well as a review of Israeli government documents and evidence collected since the Oct. 7 raid, shows that:
    Israeli security officials spent months trying to warn Mr. Netanyahu that the political turmoil caused by his domestic policies was weakening the country’s security and emboldening Israel’s enemies. The prime minister continued to push those policies. On one day in July he even refused to meet a senior general who came to deliver a threat warning based on classified intelligence, according to Israeli officials.
    Israeli officials misjudged the threat posed by Hamas for years, and more critically in the run-up to the attack. The official assessment of Israeli military intelligence and the National Security Council since May 2021 was that Hamas had no interest in launching an attack from Gaza that might invite a devastating response from Israel, according to five people familiar with the assessments who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive details. Instead, Israeli intelligence assessed that Hamas was trying to foment violence against Israelis in the West Bank, which is controlled by its rival, the Palestinian Authority.
    The belief by Mr. Netanyahu and top Israeli security officials that Iran and Hezbollah, its most powerful proxy force, presented the gravest threat to Israel diverted attention and resources away from countering Hamas. In late September, senior Israeli officials told The Times they were concerned that Israel might be attacked in the coming weeks or months on several fronts by Iran-backed militia groups, but made no mention of Hamas initiating a war with Israel from the Gaza Strip.
    American spy agencies in recent years had largely stopped collecting intelligence on Hamas and its plans, believing the group was a regional threat that Israel was managing.
    Overall, arrogance among Israeli political and security officials convinced them that the country’s military and technological superiority to Hamas would keep the terrorist group in check.
    “They were able to trick our collection, our analysis, our conclusions and our strategic understanding,” Eyal Hulata, Israel’s national security adviser from 2021 until early this year, said during a discussion last week in Washington sponsored by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a think tank.
    “I don’t think there was anyone who was involved with affairs with Gaza that shouldn’t ask themselves how and where they were also part of this massive failure,” he added.
    Many senior officials have accepted responsibility, but Mr. Netanyahu has not. At 1 a.m. Sunday in Israel, after his office was asked for comment on this article, he posted a message on X, formerly Twitter, that repeated remarks he made to The New York Times and blamed the military and intelligence services for failing to provide him with any warning on Hamas.
    “Under no circumstances and at no stage was Prime Minister Netanyahu warned of war intentions on the part of Hamas,” the post read in Hebrew. “On the contrary, the assessment of the entire security echelon, including the head of military intelligence and the head of Shin Bet, was that Hamas was deterred and was seeking an arrangement.”
    In the resulting furor, Benny Gantz, a member of his war cabinet, publicly rebuked Mr. Netanyahu, saying that “leadership means displaying responsibility,” and urged the prime minister to retract the post. It was later deleted, and Mr. Netanyahu apologized in a new one.
    On Sunday, Shin Bet promised a thorough investigation after the war. The I.D.F. declined to comment. (...)
    “We started receiving messages that there was a raid on every reporting line,” testified one soldier, who was at the Gaza Division base on the day of the invasion, in a conversation with the “Hamakom Hachi Ham Bagehinom” (“The Hottest Place in Hell”) website.
    “On every reporting line, swarms of terrorists were coming in,” the soldier added. “The forces did not have time to come and stop it. There were swarms of terrorists, something psychotic, and we were simply told that our only choice was to take our feet and flee for our lives.”
    In a conversation with military investigators two weeks after the attack, soldiers who survived the assault testified that the Hamas training was so precise that they damaged a row of cameras and communication systems so that “all our screens turned off in almost the exact same second.” The result of all this was a near total blindness on the morning of the attack.
    After the fighting had stopped, Israeli soldiers found hand-held radios on the dead bodies of some of the Hamas militants — the same radios that Israeli intelligence officials had decided a year ago were no longer worth monitoring.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/29/world/middleeast/israel-intelligence-hamas-attack.html
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:48 am

    epic failure
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    Post by паће Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:42 am

    Или су намерно пуштени да одиграју шта имају, да би се имао изговор за ово сада.


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    Post by rumbeando Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:01 am

    How Netanyahu's Hamas policy came back to haunt him — and Israel
    The Israeli leader and Hamas are deadly enemies — and allies in opposing a 2-state solution
    Evan Dyer, CBC News

    Israelis don't agree on much, especially lately, but polling shows they mostly agree that Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is to blame for leaving Israel unprepared for Hamas's onslaught on October 7.
    The accusations aimed at Netanyahu go beyond merely failing to foresee or prevent the Hamas attack of October 7, however. Many accuse him of deliberately empowering the group for decades as part of a strategy to sabotage a two-state solution based on the principle of land for peace.
    "There's been a lot of criticism of Netanyahu in Israel for instating a policy for many years of strengthening Hamas and keeping Gaza on the brink while weakening the Palestinian Authority," said Mairav Zonszein of the International Crisis Group. "And we've seen that happening very clearly on the ground."
    "(Hamas and Netanyahu) are mutually reinforcing, in the sense that they provide each other with a way to continue to use force and rejectionism as opposed to making sacrifices and compromises in order to reach some kind of resolution," Zonszein told CBC News from Tel Aviv.
    'Keep Hamas alive and kicking'
    This symbiotic relationship between Netanyahu and Hamas has been remarked on for years, by both friends and enemies, hawks and doves.
    Yuval Diskin, former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth in 2013 that "if we look at it over the years, one of the main people contributing to Hamas's strengthening has been Bibi Netanyahu, since his first term as prime minister."
    In August 2019, former prime minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio that Netanyahu's "strategy is to keep Hamas alive and kicking … even at the price of abandoning the citizens [of the south] … in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah."
    The logic underlying this strategy, Barak said, is that "it's easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to."
    Netanyahu's critics say that Hamas — with its bloodthirsty rhetoric, open antisemitism and stated intention never to share the land — played into the hands of a prime minister who also wanted to be able to tell western governments that Israel has "no partner" for peace.
    Supporting Hamas rule in Gaza, those critics say, allowed Netanyahu to confine the Palestinian Authority to the West Bank and weaken it, dividing the Palestinians into two mutually antagonistic blocs.
    Hamas puts its finger on the scales 
    Netanyahu first came to power in the 1996 election that followed the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin by an Israeli extremist opposed to the Oslo Accords.
    Early polls showed Rabin's successor Shimon Peres comfortably ahead.
    Determined to sabotage Oslo, Hamas embarked on a ruthless suicide bombing campaign that helped Netanyahu pull ahead of Peres and win the election on May 29, 1996.
    Today, some of the same extremists who called for Rabin's death hold power in Netanyahu's government.
    Just two weeks before Rabin's assassination, a young settler extremist posed for the cameras with a Cadillac hood ornament he said he had stolen from Rabin's car. "Just like we got to this emblem," he said, "we could get to Rabin."
    Today, that young man, Itamar Ben Gvir, is 45 years old and has eight Israeli criminal convictions — including convictions for supporting a terrorist organization and incitement to racism. Once he was rejected by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) for his extremist views. Now, Israel's police must answer to him as Benjamin Netanyahu's minister of national security.
    Many analysts believe one of the main goals of the Hamas attack on Israel was to derail the normalization talks underway between Israel and Saudi Arabia, which would have left the Palestinians on the sidelines.
    In a remarkable speech last week in Houston, Saudi Prince Turki bin Faisal unleashed on Hamas for its atrocities and obstructionism. But he also had words for Israel.
    "I condemn Hamas for further undermining the Palestinian Authority, as Israel has been doing," said the former Saudi intelligence chief and ambassador to the U.S. "I condemn Hamas for sabotaging the attempt of Saudi Arabia to reach a peaceful resolution to the plight of the Palestinian people.
    "I condemn Israel for funnelling Qatari money to Hamas."
    Prince Turki was referring to money that the Qatar royal family has been sending to Gaza for years, to the tune of about a billion U.S. dollars.
    'Hamas is an asset'
    Netanyahu's hawkish defence minister Avigdor Liberman was the first to report in 2020 that Bibi had dispatched Mossad chief Yossi Cohen and the IDF's officer in charge of Gaza, Herzi Halevi, to Doha to "beg" the Qataris to continue to send money to Hamas.
    "Both Egypt and Qatar are angry with Hamas and planned to cut ties with them. Suddenly Netanyahu appears as the defender of Hamas," the right-wing leader complained.
    A year later, Netanyahu was further embarrassed when photos of suitcases full of cash going to Hamas became public. Liberman finally resigned in protest over Netanyahu's Hamas policy which, he said, marked "the first time Israel is funding terrorism against itself."
    Netanyahu's education minister Naftali Bennett also denounced the payments, and also quit.
    The Palestinian Authority's Ahmed Majdalani accused the Qatari envoy of carrying money to Hamas "like a gangster."
    "The PLO did not agree to the deal facilitating the money to Hamas that way," he said.
    After both Bennett and Liberman fell out with Netanyahu, he was defeated by a new government that stopped the cash deliveries to Hamas. 
    But that government lasted just 18 months. Then Netanyahu returned to power with new, more extreme partners who backed the policy of fostering Hamas to prevent a negotiated peace settlement.
    Netanyahu's current finance minister, West Bank settler Belazel Smotrich, explained the approach to Israel's Knesset channel in 2015: "Hamas is an asset, and (Palestinian Authority leader) Abu Mazen (Mahmoud Abbas) is a burden."
    Paying Hamas to weaken Oslo
    On March 12, 2019, Netanyahu defended the Hamas payments to his Likud Party caucus on the grounds that they weakened the pro-Oslo Palestinian Authority, according to the Jerusalem Post:
    "Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended Israel's regular allowing of Qatari funds to be transferred into Gaza, saying it is part of a broader strategy to keep Hamas and the Palestinian Authority separate, a source in Monday's Likud faction meeting said," the Post reported.
    "The prime minister also said that 'whoever is against a Palestinian state should be for' transferring the funds to Gaza, because maintaining a separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza helps prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state."
    Netanyahu insisted that neither the money nor the construction material given to Hamas would be diverted to military purposes. But today, the IDF finds itself showing how Hamas has done exactly that — by diverting and converting civilian funds and materials to warlike purposes.
    The military tried to warn him at the time, former IDF chief of staff Gadi Eisenkot told the Ma'ariv newspaper. He said Netanyahu acted "in total opposition to the national assessment of the National Security Council, which determined that there was a need to disconnect from the Palestinians and establish two states."
    "We Gaza border residents are paying the price for the lack of policy and the arrogance in facing terror," said Labor Party Knesset member Haim Jelin in 2019.
    Those words would prove to be terribly prescient four years later.
    Haim Jelin is a resident of Kibbutz Be'eri. The small community was devastated by Hamas on October 7. Roughly 130 of its residents were murdered, while others were taken into captivity in Gaza.
    Catch-22 for two-state solution
    Mustafa Barghouti, a physician and member of the PLO Central Council, was a key figure in talks between Hamas and Fatah that sought to unify the Palestinians in a single bloc that could negotiate a two-state peace.
    "Each time we moved toward unity, Netanyahu would launch a campaign claiming that (Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud) Abbas is cooperating with terrorists," Barghouti told CBC News from Ramallah in the West Bank.
    "But each time Netanyahu was asked, 'Why don't you negotiate with Abbas,' he would say, 'I can't negotiate with a Palestinian Authority that doesn't represent all Palestinians.' And so he would use Hamas and this division to justify his absolute objection to any negotiated peace agreement."
    Barghouti said the current war has ended U.S. and Israeli hopes of Israel normalizing relations with neighbouring countries without first resolving the Palestinian issue.
    "One of the main results of what has happened is to show that normalization between Israel and some Arab countries does not solve the problem," he said. "It re-established the Palestinian issue as the central issue in this whole knot."
    "Most of the world thought that it could sideline this issue," said Zonszein. "Certainly the U.S. thought that. But now it's clear that it is the key to stability in the region as a whole."
    Biden: U.S. wants two states
    On Wednesday, U.S. President Joe Biden warned Israel to stop attacks by Israeli settlers — a key part of Netanyahu's coalition — on Palestinian civilians. Attacks have spiked this year.
    "They're attacking Palestinians in places that they're entitled to be, and it has to stop," Biden said. "They have to be held accountable."
    Biden also spoke about what the U.S. wants to see after the war.
    "When this crisis is over, there has to be a vision of what comes next," he said. "And in our view, it has to be a two-state solution."
    Neither Hamas nor Netanyahu share that vision.
    As Netanyahu has pointed out, Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist and lays claim to all of the land "from the river to the sea."
    And just twelve days before the Hamas massacres in southern Israel, Netanyahu addressed the UN General Assembly, holding a map of what he called "The New Middle East" that showed all of the West Bank and Gaza, as well as East Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan Heights, as parts of an enlarged Israel, with no Palestinian state in sight.
    Damage likely to be lasting
    There is a widespread feeling in Israel that Netanyahu's career is finally ending. A trial on serious corruption charges looms in his future.
    "He's finished. It's over," said Barghouti. "The problem is that the alternatives are no different from him when it comes to any Palestinian issue. They differ with him on other matters, but when it comes to Palestinians, I don't see any peace camp in Israel."
    Hamas and Netanyahu may both prove harder to eliminate than their enemies hope. But even if they leave the scene, the damage to the two-state solution is not easily undone and the current war likely will make things worse, said Zonszein.
    "I'm concerned that the fear and the trauma and shock of what happened is only going to make Israelis more scared of Palestinians, and Palestinians more scared of Israelis," she said. "And you see a lot of Israelis who are arming themselves now with personal firearms because they don't trust that the army and police will be there for them."
    Nor will Gazans be easily reconciled to the restoration of a corrupt Palestinian Authority, especially one seen to be riding back to power on an Israeli tank.
    "It's already lost most of its legitimacy and credibility on the street in the West Bank," said Zonszein. "There haven't been elections in 16 years and they don't have the ability to govern even the West Bank, so why would anyone think they have the ability to govern Gaza?"
    Barghouti agreed the current Palestinian Authority and its leadership are at a dead end.
    "No Palestinian leader will ever have legitimacy without free, democratic elections, and that is true whether he governs Gaza or not," he said.
    "But in my opinion, Israel is not interested in a Palestinian government of Gaza."
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035
     
    Spomenuti koferi za Hamas koji su unošeni preko izraelskog graničnog prelaza.
     


    (autor tvita je glavni novinar izraelskog javnog servisa koji se bavi palestinskim pitanjem)
     
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    Post by plachkica Wed Nov 08, 2023 1:49 pm

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    Post by rumbeando Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:17 pm

    Voxov članak u kome se razmatraju argumenti za i protiv teze da je Izrael država koja sprovodi aparthejd.



    I ovde je navedeno dosta primera kako sve to izgleda u praksi:

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    Post by plachkica Wed Nov 08, 2023 4:50 pm

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    Post by beatakeshi Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:07 pm

    Što ti je država, hapsi i zbog pravopisa.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:20 pm

    Paće gladi brkove.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Guest Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:20 pm

    Дође ми да променим ник.
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    Post by паће Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:23 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Paće gladi brkove.

    Паћету је криво што сам није први смислио ту фору.


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:25 pm

    паће wrote:
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Paće gladi brkove.

    Паћету је криво што сам није први смислио ту фору.

    Ja tražio sliku strogog paćetovog pogleda.


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    Post by disident Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:09 pm

    Sta ti je policijska država na steroidima


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    Jedini proleter Burundija
    Pristalica krvne osvete
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    Post by паће Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:13 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    паће wrote:

    Паћету је криво што сам није први смислио ту фору.

    Ja tražio sliku strogog paćetovog pogleda.

    Блиски исток - Page 29 Samo_v12

    И запанти линак.


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Wed Nov 08, 2023 6:58 pm

    Zoran Pusić:

    Zar za skromnu i krhku hrvatsku antifašističku scenu nije štetan izlazak Židovske općine Zagreb iz Antifašističke lige? Da li ste taj razlaz mogao izbjeći?

    Izrazito mi je žao što je došlo do istupanja Židovske općine iz Antifašističke lige. To su naši poznanici, neki od njih i prijatelji, s kojima smo godinama surađivali i kretali zajedno s akcijama u čiji su uspjeh samo rijetki vjerovali. Da li se to moglo izbjeći? Ni sad ne vidim kako je iznošenje jednog načelnog stava, osuda masovnog ubijanja civila, žena i djece, tko god ga počinio, moglo izazvati tako drastičnu reakciju. U trenutku kad je ŽOZ donio odluku o istupanju izjava je bila objavljena samo na Facebooku tajnika Lige. Isti dan, na portalu Novosti objavljen je moj tekst koji je proširena izjava. Vašim čitaocima je taj tekst lako dostupan, neka sami prosude što je u njemu neistinito, što je kolegama iz ŽOZ-a bilo tako neprihvatljivo.


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    Post by Del Cap Wed Nov 08, 2023 7:05 pm

    BREAKING: War cabinet minister Benny Gantz says the 'war here is for our existence and for Zionism' and there are 'no limitations on the duration of the current ground operation'
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    Post by Del Cap Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:21 pm

    Nemačka je odobrila domaćim firmama isporuku oružja i vojne opreme u Izrael gotovo deset puta veće vrednosti nego u 2022, prema podacima ministarstva ekonomije.

    Nemačka vlada odobrila je domaćim firmama isporuku oružja i vojne opreme u Izrael gotovo deset puta veće vrednosti nego u celoj 2022, pokazuju podaci ministarstva ekonomije.

    Vlada je do 2. novembra izdala dozvole za izvoz gotovo 303 miliona evra vrednog oružja u Izrael, prema podacima koje je dpa danas dobila od ministarstva ekonomije.

    Zato su Ukrajinu drndali za svaku granatu i svaki tip oružja, te ne može, te mora dozvole, te da rat ne eskalira, te ajd neko pre nas.....
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    Post by plachkica Wed Nov 08, 2023 10:37 pm

    [size=34]Nemačka na ivici[/size]

    SUSAN NEIMAN


    Sećanja se stalno zamagljuju. Ipak, neobično je što je posle masakra koji je počinio Hamas Nemačka zaboravila period koji je nastupio posle 11. septembra jer je to bio ključni trenutak u posleratnoj istoriji. Od 1945. godine Zapadna Nemačka je podržala svaku krupnu odluku američke spoljne politike, između ostalog i postavljanje nuklearnih raketa na nemačkom tlu, za kojim je usledilo ujedinjenje Nemačke. Godine 2002. mnogi nisu bili načisto da li treba osuditi rat u Iraku; mnogo nemačkog mastila je potrošeno u traženju razumevanja za američku traumu posle 11. septembra. U to vreme vladajuća koalicija Socijaldemokrata i Zelenih priznala je da trauma nije osnov za razumne političke odluke i nije podržala invaziju Iraka.
    Američka politika imala je svoj ključni trenutak 18. oktobra, kad je Joe Biden rekao Izraelcima da razume njihov gnev i oseća njihov bol, ali se nada da oni neće napraviti istu grešku koju su napravile Sjedinjene Države onog sunčanog septembarskog dana kad je Al Kaida masakrirala tri hiljade civila. Možda je to prvi put da je američki predsednik kritikovao nedavnu američku politiku dok je stajao na tlu neke druge zemlje. Bidenov govor je prenela nemačka štampa, ali ovde nisam videla nikog ko je nastavio da razmišlja u tom pravcu. Nije bilo nemoguće užasnuti se nad pokoljem u Svetskom trgovinskom centru, a ipak biti protiv rata u Iraku; tada nas je bilo više miliona koji smo tako osećali. Nemačka je drugi najvažniji saveznik Izraela, te bi možda bilo korisno podsetiti one koji vode našu zemlju da će nastavljanje masovnih napada na Gazu imati strahovite posledice.
    To bi se čak moglo učiniti i bez pozivanja na ljudska prava ili živote Palestinaca. Ratovi u Avganistanu i Iraku potrošili su bilione dolara na ubijanje nebrojenih civila i vojnika, i na Bliskom istoku su stvorili krizu čije posledice i danas osećamo. U većem delu sveta rat je zacementirao nepoverenje u američke motive i metode tako da ono možda nikad neće nestati, pa se fraze kao što je „moralna jasnoća“ više ne mogu upotrebiti a da ne izazovu podsmeh.
    Nema sumnje da će klimavi ugled Izraela na svetskoj sceni biti ugrožen sa svakom eskalacijom rata protiv Gaze. Hamas može samo da ojača od novih slika ubijene dece kojima su roditelji ispisali ime na nozi u nadi da će bar uspeti da identifikuju tela kad im sledeća bomba sravni kuću sa zemljom. Čak i oni koje zanimaju samo jevrejski životi moraju biti svesni da produženi rat neće Izraelu zadugo doneti veću bezbednost. Pored toga što je nestalo 1.400 jevrejskih života, 7. oktobra su i uzdrmane bezbednosne strategije na kojima je počivala izraelska odbrana. To možete pročitati svakog dana u Haaretzu i u mnogim američkim izvorima. Ali ako kažete nešto slično u Nemačkoj, spremite se na to da ćete biti proglašeni za antisemitu – i nadajte se da nećete ostati bez posla.
    Uporno nastojanje Nemačke da se iskupi za naciste tako što će proglasiti Izrael za svoj nacionalni interes (Staatsräson) poslednjih nedelja dostiglo je grozničavi vrhunac. Političari desnice zahtevaju da bezuslovna podrška Izraelu postane uslov za život u Nemačkoj. Ne iznenađuje nas to što je njihova namera da se taj uslov primeni na imigrante iz muslimanskih zemalja. S druge strane, državljanstvo Reichsbürgera, pripadnika grupe belih, desničarskih, antisemitskih Nemaca koji su uhapšeni u decembru 2022. dok su planirali rušenje vlade ne dovodi se u pitanje u zemlji koju oni odbijaju da priznaju.
    Oni kojima je moralno razmišljanje draže od instrumentalnog raspolažu jednim argumentom za primirje koji su mogli naučiti još u vrtiću: zbir dva zla nije dobro. Samo oni koji veruju da zla imaju neku suštinu mogu osuditi jedan ratni zločin a ne osuditi drugi. Razvrstavanje zala na manja i veća i pokušaj da se ona izvagaju nisu samo beznadežne već možda i opscene radnje. Zla se ne bi smela kvantifikovati, ali se mogu razlikovati. Posle razgovora s jednim od pilota koji je učestvovao u bombardovanju Hirošime, nemačko-jevrejski filozof Günther Anders povukao je jednu važnu razliku. Svako ko je sposoban da odvede dete u gasnu komoru ili da ga živog spali ima ponor na onom mestu na kom bi trebalo da se nalazi duša. Većina nas to ne bi mogla da učini. Lakše je baciti bombu na dete koje ne vidite. Upravo zato, ta vrsta zla je opasnija, tvrdio je Anders. Ali šta nas sprečava da osudimo i jedno i drugo?
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    Dok je Joe Biden govorio u Tel Avivu, u Frankfurtu je otvaran godišnji sajam knjiga. Reči „Frankfurtski sajam knjiga“ evociraju paviljone, slatkiše i boje, posebno kad znate da je to najveći književni događaj otkad je Johannes Gutenberg izmislio štamparsku presu, nedaleko odatle uz Rajnu. U stvari, sajam bi ličio na pretrpan aerodrom kad bi aerodrom imao više hiljada štandova na kojima se svaki govornik trudi da nadglasa ostale kako bi njegove misli doprle do slušalaca. Pošto su redovi pred restoranima predugački da bi se nešto prezalogajilo između sastanaka, ljudi koji rade na štandovima okrepljuju se kesicama čipsa i flašama vode. Ali to je najveći skup čitalaca na svetu, pa tu moraju da se nađu svaki autor ili izdavač s novom knjigom koju treba promovisati, svaki agent ili filmski producent koji želi da sklopi ugovor, svaki medij kom je stalo da bude prisutan. U najboljim vremenima, to mesto ostavlja vrlo snažan utisak.
    Ove godine su nas jevrejske autore pitali da li želimo da nam se dodeli lično obezbeđenje pored naoružanih čuvara koji špartaju prolazima. Na ulazu se, pored karata, pregledaju i tašne i kese, mada je jedan čuvar u poverenju rekao da ne traže bombe već „političke simbole. Juče je neko pokušao da prokrijumčari palestinske zastave“. One su legalne, ali to nije važno. Ovogodišnji sajam knjiga počeo je da varniči pre nego što je otvoren.
    Najpre je najavljeno da će svečana dodela nagrade palestinskoj spisateljici Adaniji Shibli biti otkazana… to jest odložena. Njen roman Mali detalj, nominovan za nekoliko velikih međunarodnih nagrada, refleksija je o grupnom silovanju i ubistvu beduinske devojke koje su počinili izraelski vojnici 1949. Priča je istinita i neki od vojnika su osuđeni na zatvorsku kaznu zbog tog zločina, ali organizatori sajma knjiga su odlučili da bi bilo neprilično dodeliti nagradu u ovom trenutku. Eva Menasse, portparolka berlinskog PEN-a, pobunila se protiv te odluke. „Nijedna knjiga nije drukčija, bolja, gora ili opasnija zato što su se vesti promenile. Knjiga ili zaslužuje nagradu ili je ne zaslužuje… Uskraćivanje nagrade Adaniji Shibli je politička i književna greška.“ Menasse je ugledna austrijska spisateljica čiji je otac, Jevrejin, preživeo rat zahvaljujući tome što je poslat u Englesku u jednom Kindertransportu. U znak protesta protiv odluke da se uskrati nagrada, sirijski autori koje je PEN-Berlin pozvao da čitaju svoja dela odlučili su da sasvim bojkotuju sajam. Kao alternativnu, Menasse je organizovala čitanje nagrađenog romana palestinske spisateljice. Autori koji su u tome učestvovali su Jevreji. Oni su shvatili da je odluka da se povuče nagrada pre svega politička greška koja samo podgreva uverenje muslimana, posebno Palestinaca, da se njihovi glasovi ne mogu čuti u Nemačkoj.
    Svake godine sajam predstavlja pisce iz jedne zemlje koja je njegov gost. Pošto je došao red na Sloveniju, najpoznatiji slovenački autor u svetu otvorio je sajam govorom. Slavoj Žižek je kritikovao odluku da se otkaže svečanost dodele nagrade Shibli i mada je nedvosmisleno osudio zločine Hamasa, insistirao je na tome da se analiziraju okolnosti u kojima su oni počinjeni. Njegovi argumenti su bili blaži od mnogih koje sam videla u Haaretzu ili New York Timesu u proteklih nekoliko nedelja, ali se na njega izvikao lokalni komesar za antisemitizam i to zbog analogija koje Žižek nije napravio. Žižekova razmišljanja, mada nisu tako ubedljiva, ne razlikuju se mnogo od onog što kaže Hannah Arendt u knjizi Ajhman u Jerusalimu: da bismo nadvladali zlo, najpre moramo da ga razumemo. Ali u vreme kad je to napisala, Arendt nije uspela da uveri mnogo ljudi; uvek je lakše kritikovati nego razumeti.
    Frankfurtski sajam knjiga svake godine se završava svečanošću dodele Nagrade mira, najcenjenije nemačke književne nagrade. Ove godine ona je dodeljena Salmanu Rushdiju za njegovo hrabro insistiranje na slobodi govora.
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    Nemačke osude Hamasa i izrazi nepokolebljive solidarnosti s Izraelom postali su tako automatski da su se pojavili čak i u bankomatu banke u mom susedstvu: „Zgroženi smo brutalnim napadom na Izrael. Saosećamo s Izraelcima, žrtvama, njihovim porodicama i prijateljima.“ Te reči su se pojavile čim se uključio ekran, zatim opet kad sam izabrala jezik, treći put kad sam ukucala PIN i još jednom kad je novac počeo da izlazi iz proreza. Bilo da dolaze od mašine ili od političara, takvi iskazi mi ne ulivaju osećanje bezbednosti. Naprotiv, ponavljanje praznih formula povećava moj strah od negativne reakcije. Nemačka refleksna odbrana Izraela i uzdržavanje od kritike njegove vlade ili njegove okupacije Palestine može izazvati samo ogorčenost. Većina političara će privatno priznati da je to zaista problem, ali će osećati obavezu da u javnosti ponavlja prazne fraze – mada znaju da partije desnice koriste masakr u Izraelu da bi podstakle neprijateljska osećanja prema imigrantima u Nemačkoj.
    Muslimani nisu jedini Nemci čije ogorčenje raste. Anketa od 27. oktobra pokazala je da je nemačka podrška Izraelu oslabila uprkos tvrđenjima političara. Dve nedelje posle masakra koji je počinio Hamas, moja banka je promenila svoju poruku: „Osećamo solidarnost sa žrtvama rata i nasilja u Ukrajini, na Bliskom istoku i drugim mestima u svetu.“ Ako tražite umirujuće iskaze, ovaj je razuman, a banka se, najzad, nalazi u kraju u kom su muslimani većina. Nakon što je raketa pogodila bolnicu Al Ahli Arab u Gazi 17. oktobra, u tom kvartu su izbile žestoke demonstracije. Posle toga su u Berlinu zabranjene demonstracije koje bi se mogle shvatiti kao propalestinske, čak i one u organizaciji Jevreja. Policija je izgazila sveće koje su na pločnicima upalili ožalošćeni rođaci ubijenih u Gazi.
    Tri dana kasnije, proglašen je opšti štrajk u ulici Zonenale, gde su vlasnici većine prodavnica Arapi. Oni su obustavili rad na jedan dan zbog zabrane protesta. Zaključivši da će zabrana demonstracija samo voditi većim neredima, policija je odlučila da dopusti neke demonstracije podrške Palestini i one su otad bile mirne. Ipak, na berlinskim ulicama oseća se strah. Ljudi u metrou su nervozni, često i svađalački raspoloženi. Dva maskirana muškarca bacila su Molotovljev koktel na sinagogu u centru grada. Promašili su metu i niko nije povređen, ali mnogi Jevreji u zemlji se plaše. Neki raspravljaju o tome da li su poređenja s Holokaustom ili reč „pogrom“ umesni, ali za mnoge Jevreje događaji od 7. oktobra evociraju strahove stare više vekova.
    Zato ne iznenađuje otkazivanje javnih događaja – dosad ukupno sedamnaest – u kojima je trebalo da učestvuju palestinski pisci, novinari i umetnici. Pokušaji lista Die Zeit da intervjuiše Palestince koji žive u Nemačkoj naišli su na odbijanje: kad se svaka reč vaga kao dijamant, oni radije ne bi govorili. Jedan ugledni beli Nemac koji je doživeo teške kritike zato što je osudio izraelsko nasilje zamolio me je da ne pišem o tome.
    Neobičnije je možda bilo ućutkivanje kritičkih jevrejskih glasova. Nova postavka komada Situacija izraelske dramske spisateljice i rediteljke Yaʼel Ronen, koji govori o Izraelcima i Palestincima u Berlinu i koji je 2015, posle prvog izvođenja, ugledni pozorišni magazin Theater heute proglasio „pozorišnim događajem godine“, sad je na čekanju. Vodič koji je upotrebio reč „aparthejd“ u berlinskom Jevrejskom muzeju dobio je otkaz. Deborah Feldman, po čijem je bestseleru Nepravoverna (Unorthodox) snimljena popularna Netflix serija, dobila je nekoliko poziva da predstavi svoju novu knjigu Jevrejski fetiš (Jew Fetish), a onda su sve te promocije otkazane. Napisana na nemačkom i objavljena u Nemačkoj, ta knjiga ispituje deformacije jevrejskog identiteta u zemlji koju rešenost da se oslobodi nasleđene krivice navodi da vidi Jevreje kao večite žrtve. Habad tuži autorku i traži povlačenje njene knjige iz knjižara; zvanični list nemačke jevrejske zajednice opisao je knjigu kao „toksičnu od prve do poslednje stranice“.
    Čak i Jevreji koji ne žive u Nemačkoj bili su pogođeni. Saskia Esken, potpredsednica vladajuće Socijaldemokratske partije Nemačke, otkazala je sastanak s Bernijem Sandersom pošto je on nazvao izraelske napade na civile u Gazi kršenjem međunarodnog prava. Oni to svakako jesu. Ali Esken je njegove reči shvatila kao „relativizaciju“ koja nije „pokazala da je on nedvosmisleno na strani Izraela“.
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    Raspravljala sam s jevrejskim prijateljima u Berlinu, koji su jednako nepokolebljivi univerzalisti kao ja, o tome da li je nemački odgovor na rat bolji od američkog. „Kuga ili kolera?“ – tako sam nazvala tu dilemu. „U vremenima tribalizma, bezbednost mi je važnija od solidarnosti“, odgovorio je jedan. „Stekao sam imunitet na koleru, a na kugu nisam. Ako uspemo da se izbavimo iz tribalizma, onda ću moći da imam principe.“ Još nisam sigurna da se slažem. Da li je izvitopereni nemački tribalizam bolji od američkog? Jevrejski profesori i aktivisti za socijalnu pravdu naklonjeni levici nesrećni su zbog prekida prijateljstva s kolegama koji su klicali Hamasu u Sjedinjenim Državama. Kako bi se Jevreji u Berlinu osećali među Amerikancima koji sebe smatraju progresivnim, ali su, reklo bi se, izgubili kompas? Ovde su, srećom, utihnule postkolonijalne debate koje trešte u američkim kampusima. Nemci koji sebe smatraju progresivnim verovatno će smestiti Izrael na globalni Sever, a Palestinu na globalni Jug i istaći ludost loše geografije. Ipak, decenije nemačkog istorijskog preispitivanja onemogućile su onima koji se smatraju progresivnim da pobrkaju emancipaciju s krvoprolićem – bar ne naglas.
    Užasnuta sam, ali ne sasvim iznenađena što se u Americi to događa mnogima koji sebe smatraju levičarima. Tvrdila sam da ono što se naziva „budna levica“ (woke left) može da se napaja tradicionalnim levičarskim emocijama kao što je želja da se podrže potlačeni i da se ispitaju istorijski zločini. Ali ta osećanja, koja su i moja, podriva reakcionarna ideologija koja napušta principe ključne za svako liberalno ili levo stanovište: privrženost univerzalizmu a ne tribalizmu, jasno razlikovanje pravde od moći i verovanje u mogućnost napretka.
    I na levoj i na desnoj strani političkog spektra, sudar između emocija i ideala stvorio je veliku zbrku i više nije jasno šta „levo“ danas znači. Još jedna tragična pojedinost u zločinima Hamasa je to što su mnogi koje su njegovi pripadnici ubili ili kidnapovali bili muškarci i žene posvećeni univerzalizmu, pravdi i napretku. Zlo nije samo suprotno od dobrog, već je njegov neprijatelj; istinsko zlo teži da potpuno uništi moralne distinkcije. Kad je napao Izraelce koji su godinama pomagali svojim susedima u Gazi da dobiju zdravstvene usluge, Hamas je pokazao svoje boje. Nekoliko dana posle masakra dobila sam poruku od jednog izraelskog kolege: „Hamas nije ubio samo ljude već i razum.“ Moj odgovor: „Nacisti nisu uspeli da ubiju razum i ne smemo ni Hamasu to dozvoliti.“ Kao što je naglasio izraelsko-nemački pisac Tomer Dotan-Dreyfus, nismo sravnili celu Nemačku sa zemljom nakon što su nacisti ubili šest miliona Jevreja. Moj kolega mi je onda prosledio snimak na kom se vide teroristi koji viču „Alahu Akbar!“ nad telima ubijenih Izraelaca. Znam da nas razum često izdaje baš onda kad nam je najpotrebniji. To se dogodilo kad su Sjedinjene Države, Izrael i šačica zavisnih zemalja glasali protiv neobavezujuće rezolucije Ujedinjenih nacija koja je pozvala na „zaštitu civila i pridržavanje zakonskih i humanitarnih obaveza“. Mnoge zemlje redovno krše te obaveze. Ipak, da li smo došli do tačke kad ne možemo da ih podržimo čak ni reda radi? Nemačka je, sa svoje strane, ostala uzdržana.

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:17 pm

    Del Cap wrote:
    Nemačka je odobrila domaćim firmama isporuku oružja i vojne opreme u Izrael gotovo deset puta veće vrednosti nego u 2022, prema podacima ministarstva ekonomije.

    Nemačka vlada odobrila je domaćim firmama isporuku oružja i vojne opreme u Izrael gotovo deset puta veće vrednosti nego u celoj 2022, pokazuju podaci ministarstva ekonomije.

    Vlada je do 2. novembra izdala dozvole za izvoz gotovo 303 miliona evra vrednog oružja u Izrael, prema podacima koje je dpa danas dobila od ministarstva ekonomije.

    Zato su Ukrajinu drndali za svaku granatu i svaki tip oružja, te ne može, te mora dozvole, te da rat ne eskalira, te ajd neko pre nas.....

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    Post by ćaća Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:36 pm

    Del Cap wrote:BREAKING: War cabinet minister Benny Gantz says the 'war here is for our existence and for Zionism' and there are 'no limitations on the duration of the current ground operation'

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    Post by Летећи Полип Wed Nov 08, 2023 11:38 pm

    Bajdvej, svi ćute na slona u sobi zvanog Brni Sanders.


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