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Ma zezam se. Nego, ko su onda sad ovi rodjeni posle 2012?
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In the first 12 months of the war in Ukraine, the condemnation of Russia and rhetorical backing of Kyiv by the governments of Europe and the US has been intense and largely unanimous. But the economic numbers tell a different story. Judged against current potential and historical standards, the war looks like an exercise in calculated restraint. This is not necessarily a sign of strategic failure. Though the moral force of war may seem to demand absolute commitment, total war is the dream of fascists or revolutionaries. For the rest of us, total war should be an absolute nightmare. War that does not envision the overthrowing of all order must involve the weighing of means and ends, costs and benefits, even in the face of death. And this is true for both combatants and their allies. In 2022 Ukraine suffered a catastrophic contraction in its economy by about a third and yet it mounted a war effort to the tune of about 35 per cent of gross domestic product. This is an effort comparable to that in 20th-century world wars. It threatens to tumble Ukraine into inflationary disaster and leaves it heavily dependent on foreign aid. But even for Ukraine, as for 20th-century combatants, there are limits. To date, Ukraine is fighting the war mainly with volunteers. Forcible mass conscription is being held in reserve. Russian gas continues to flow to Europe through Ukrainian pipelines. These are the compromises you make, if you want to sustain the home front and good relations with European friends. Russia is under strain, too. But despite western sanctions its economy contracted by only 2 per cent or so in 2022 and is expected to rebound this year. The military industrial complex is working around the clock, but for most Russians day-to-day life continues. As for the wider world, China is being extremely cautious in its support for Russia. And though Europe and America are rhetorically all in, judged by historical standards their aid for Ukraine is very modest. The latest figures from the Kiel Institute for the World Economy tell a stark story. Over the past 12 months, the US spent 0.21 per cent of GDP on military support for Ukraine. That is slightly less than it spent in an average year on in its ill-fated Afghanistan intervention. In Iraq the spend was three times larger. The Korean war cost the US 13 times as much. Lend-Lease aid for the British empire in the second world war ran to 15 times as much in proportional terms. To see the Europeans doing more, you only need to go back to 1991. To support the American-led operation to oust Saddam Hussein from the oilfields of Kuwait, Germany gave three times as much as it is offering to Ukraine in bilateral aid. A cynic would conclude that the west’s unspoken aim is not just to prevent a Russian victory, but to avoid a decisive Ukrainian success, for fear of escalation by Vladimir Putin’s regime. If this is true, it is jarringly at odds with US and European public rhetoric. To assume as much is not only distasteful but raises the question of whether we really credit western leaders with the strategic nous to deploy resources in such measured doses. The experience in Iraq and Afghanistan hardly suggests so. Which suggests another, sobering interpretation. Western governments may sincerely support a Ukrainian victory, but they are failing to match means and ends. Reservations about specific weapons systems and the limits of western stockpiles play a part. But neither factor should inhibit money from flowing more freely. Rather than strategic objections or principled political opposition, it is complacency, a lack of imagination, small-minded budgetary thinking and procedural wrangling that are driving a wedge between intention and action. For the west, this interpretation is even less flattering than the cynical view. Kyiv and its supporters prefer it, because it holds out hope that by their incessant lobbying they may ultimately persuade the west to live up to its promises. But what if that, too, is a delusion?
Is the gap between the west’s rhetoric and delivery on Ukraine not all too familiar? Respectable governments around the world espouse high-minded goals on global Covid-19 vaccination, sustainable development and Ukraine’s sovereignty, but they balk at supplying the means even if it involves tiny fractions of GDP and potentially huge rates of return. By contrast, the same governments amass mammoth amounts of money to rescue business interests and shield their own voters from shocks such as the 2008 financial crisis, Covid and the collateral damage of Putin’s invasion. After one year of war what stands out is less western solidarity than this gap between declared intention and real delivery. The lack of decisive western support means that the balance on the battlefield and on Ukraine’s home front remains agonisingly precarious. Through their modest intervention, western powers and Europe in particular willingly forfeit any chance of decisively influencing events — so much so that one suspects that they do not believe in their ability to shape conflicts as complex and violent as that in Ukraine. They also, however, lack the courage to admit as much. So they profess bold goals but fail to deliver means. The result is hypocrisy and self-inflicted impotence on a historic scale.
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Dva mozda ponajbolja ekonomska istoricara na engleskom (Ferguson i Tooze) sustinski govore isto i tesko je ne sloziti se. Posebmo sa ovim poslednjim (i istoricarem i napisanim)
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Mór Thököly wrote:Ma zezam se. Nego, ko su onda sad ovi rodjeni posle 2012?
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To date, Ukraine is fighting the war mainly with volunteers. Forcible mass conscription is being held in reserve.
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Mór Thököly wrote:Dva mozda ponajbolja ekonomska istoricara na engleskom (Ferguson i Tooze) sustinski govore isto i tesko je ne sloziti se. Posebmo sa ovim poslednjim (i istoricarem i napisanim)
Ako ja laik vidim da će morati da ulože 300 puta više novca u odbranu ako napaljeni putinovci, na krilima ratne ekonomije, dođu do Ivano-Frankivska, siguran sam da su i na Zapadu svesni da kilavljenje u ovom trenutku predstavlja kicking the can down the road, s tim što taj drum ima provaliju na kraju.
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Ma to je jasno od oocetka. Mislim da sam ovde tipa 3. dana rata promenio misljenje o sankcijama. Kake sankcije kurac, ako ne mozete da blokirate zemlju (a ne mozete), oruzje je kljuc
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Notxor wrote:To date, Ukraine is fighting the war mainly with volunteers. Forcible mass conscription is being held in reserve.
Dobronamerno ću skrenuti pažnju da je ovaj forum orijentisan protiv agresije na Ukrajinu i molim da se ne kače propagandni uratci sa strvinarskog naloga koji, pored ostalog, objavljuje i kompilacije snimaka grobalja ukrajinskih vojnika. Neću ni brisati ni ništa, samo podsećam da se pogleda baner pre nego što se nešto okači. Read the room, što bi rekli.
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Izbrisao sam.
Trebalo je da umesto pokretne slike ubacim ironičan komentar, ali sad je kasno, a i nije bitno.
Trebalo je da umesto pokretne slike ubacim ironičan komentar, ali sad je kasno, a i nije bitno.
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Kremlj je ocijenio da plan koji je prošli tjedan predložila Kina za rješavanje sukoba u Ukrajini "zaslužuje pozornost", ali i da "za sada" ne postoje uvjeti koji su potrebni za "mirno" rješenje. "Svaki pokušaj koji pridonosi usmjeravanju ovog sukoba na miran put zaslužuje pozornost. Razmatramo plan naših kineskih prijatelja s velikom pozornošću", rekao je glasnogovornik Kremlja Dmitrij Peskov. No "to je dug proces", rekao je.
"Za sada ne vidimo premise da ova situacija može krenuti mirnim putem", dodao je. "Posebna vojna operacija (u Ukrajini) se nastavlja", naglasio je.
Peking je u petak, točno na prvu godišnjicu rata, objavio dokument od 12 točaka pozivajući Moskvu i Kijev na mirovne pregovore. Moskva i Kijev do sada nisu iskazali ozbiljnu volju za pregovorima i na kineski su prijedlog reagirali s oprezom.
Ukrajinski predsjednik Volodimir Zelenski ocijenio je da je "potrebno" "raditi" s Pekingom kako bi se pronašlo rješenje za sukob. Zelenski je rekao da se uskoro planira sastati s kineskim kolegom Xi Jinpingom. Rusko ministarstvo vanjskih poslova priopćilo je da "cijeni" kineske napore, ali i da inzistira na tome da se prizna ruska aneksija četiriju ukrajinskih regija.
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dosta je zabrinjavajuce da sa ovako poraznim tokom njihove SVO rusija nije za mirovne pregovore
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ne znam da li primecujete to
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Ništa nije ni zabrinjavajuće ni iznenađenje, ciljevi SVO nisu još uvijek ostvareni.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/11cix42/number_of_ukrainian_refugees_displaced_in_europe/
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/fileadmin/Dateiverwaltung/IfW-Publications/-ifw/Kiel_Working_Paper/2022/KWP_2218_Which_countries_help_Ukraine_and_how_/KWP_2218_Trebesch_et_al_Ukraine_Support_Tracker.pdf
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ma jok zabrinjavajući je virus prehlade a čačkanje nuklearne sile je OKkondo wrote:dosta je zabrinjavajuce da sa ovako poraznim tokom njihove SVO rusija nije za mirovne pregovore
ne znam da li primecujete to
kad ideš u pčelinjak staviš KN95 masku da ti ne pređe virus i onda golim rukama džaraš po košnici taj neki level
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“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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U Rusiju je otišlo najviše izbeglica iz Ukrajine (jeste, računamo tu i Donbas gde se i vodi najveći deo rata), mislim oko 2,8 miliona.
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33 hiljade... pa to je 5% stanovnistva.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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fikret selimbašić wrote:Ništa nije ni zabrinjavajuće ni iznenađenje, ciljevi SVO nisu još uvijek ostvareni.
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Evo Rusi se uplašili pa se povlače i pre ofanzive - nema brige.
Prije 2 sata
Ukrajina: Rusi se spremaju na bijeg iz Hersonske oblasti prema Krimu
Glavni stožer Oružanih snaga Ukrajine danas je objavio da se proruske vlasti u još uvijek okupiranim dijelovima Hersonske oblasti pripremaju za odlazak.
Proruski dužnosnici koje je postavila Moskva u okupiranim gradovima Oleškiju i Skadovsku "pripremaju se na bijeg" prema okupiranom Krimu u strahu od ukrajinske protuofenzive, objavio je Glavni stožer ukrajinske vojske.
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Mór Thököly wrote:fikret selimbašić wrote:Ništa nije ni zabrinjavajuće ni iznenađenje, ciljevi SVO nisu još uvijek ostvareni.
I to. Datum nije preciziran, ciljevi jesu i od njih se ne odustaje.
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