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    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:39 pm

    kondo wrote:a pa ovo 200,000 su ranjeni i poneki mrtav rujo

    sto ne kazete na vreme
    Postoji neko iskustvo stečeno u ratovima koje kaže da na svakog mrtvog dodje toliko ranjenih. Koliko je to u ovom slučaju, da li 1:3 ili 1:5 ili slično, nije poznato ni pouzdano, ali svakako nije 1:100.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:41 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    kondo wrote:25,000 mrtvih američkih vojnika u avganistu? kako to, otkad to?

    Ne barataš baš najbolje engleskim.

    casualty (INJURED) /ˈkæʒ.ju.əl.ti/
    noun [C]
    a person injured or killed in a serious accident or war

    Nego, kamo izvor za tih navodnih 8:1 u zadnje vreme?
    Izvor je Tresko, politički analitičar sa PPPa.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by MNE Thu Feb 09, 2023 5:48 pm

    Notxor wrote:Solidan pregled rata i perspektiva

    What Russia Got Wrong
    kraći bi bio spisak What Russia Did Not Get Wrong
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Feb 09, 2023 6:39 pm

    Herš dao izjavu za TASS u kojoj naglašava da je njegov izvor kredibilan.
     
    NEW YORK, February 8. /TASS/. US journalist Seymour Hersh on Wednesday reaffirmed the credibility of the source that provided him with the data to corroborate a story on US involvement in the sabotage of the Nord Stream pipelines.
    "It's somebody who seems to know quite a bit about what was going on," Hersh told TASS. "I can't name people obviously."
    He said when writing the story he reached out to a CIA spokesman. The journalist said he believes the US administration will probably deny its involvement in the sabotage.
    "I'm sure that some of the White House would have liked Mr. Burns do the denial," he said.
    According to the article that was published on Wednesday, explosives under the Russian Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines were planted by US Navy divers under the guise of the Baltops exercise in June. The story is citing an unidentified source with direct knowledge of the operational planning as saying that US president Joe Biden personally authorized the operation.
    Adrienne Watson, a spokesperson for the National Security Council at the White House, responded to a request for comment from TASS that the story laid out by Hersh was totally false and complete fiction.
    https://tass.com/world/1573519
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    Post by Anduril Thu Feb 09, 2023 7:17 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:
    kondo wrote:a pa ovo 200,000 su ranjeni i poneki mrtav rujo

    sto ne kazete na vreme
    Postoji neko iskustvo stečeno u ratovima koje kaže da na svakog mrtvog dodje toliko ranjenih. Koliko je to u ovom slučaju, da li 1:3 ili 1:5 ili slično, nije poznato ni pouzdano, ali svakako nije 1:100.

    Da, s time sto je taj odnos kod Rusa verovatno vise 1 poginuo na 2 ranjena, a kod Ukrajinaca 1:5. Odakle to znamo? 
    Kljuc je kako je organizovana prva pomoc kod Ukrajinaca, gusca je cak i od NATO standarda, i koriste uglavno zapadnu opremu - posebno za prvih 45min sto je kljucno. Plus, imaju mnogo bolju obuku u tom pogledu od ruske vojske cisto kad se gledaju mnogi snimci evakuacije i uopste tipa akcije u koje ih salju. 
    Recimo, kad napadas mesecima oko Bahmuta, mnogo je teze izvrsiti evakuaciju na vreme nego kad branis posto su rute za evakuaciju branilaca jasnije i organizovanije. To su basics i na osnovu toga se dosta dobro moze oceniti ko ima vece gubitke. Da ne govorimo o cinjenici da napadac uvek ima vece gubitke kad je rat ovako statican a branioci imaju sve vise preciznijeg i modernijeg naoruzanja, premoc u dronovima, itd.
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:00 pm

    Preparing for the next winter: Europe’s gas outlook for 2023, 2.2.2023.
    The European Union has so far weathered the energy crisis brought on by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February 2022 and will manage winter 2022/23 even if Russia abruptly halts all pipeline gas flows. However, preparations must be made for winter 2023-24. In particular, gas storage facilities should be 90 percent full by 1 October 2023.
    We assess the demand reduction needed if the 90 percent storage target is to be achieved. Our assessment takes into account EU imports, exports to refill gas storage facilities in Ukraine and Moldova, the weather and the situation in power markets, where gas demand is highly dependent on non-gas energy sources. Assuming limited Russian exports continue, and weather conditions are typical, demand up to 1 October 2023 must remain 13 percent lower than the previous five-year average. The EU should therefore extend its demand-reduction target, which is currently set to expire on 31 March 2023. 
    https://www.bruegel.org/policy-brief/european-union-gas-survival-plan-2023
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    Post by rumbeando Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:03 pm


    200 = poginuli
    300 = ranjeni
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    Post by kondo Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:32 pm

    jao pa kako smo ovo zaboravili

    "If Russia invades, that means tanks or troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it." When asked how, the president says, "I promise you, we will be able do that."





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    Post by rumbeando Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:42 pm

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    Post by rumbeando Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:45 pm

    kondo wrote:jao pa kako smo ovo zaboravili

    PRESIDENT BIDEN: The first question first. If Germany — if Russia invades — that means tanks or troops crossing the — the border of Ukraine again — then there will be — we — there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.

    Q But how will you — how will you do that exactly, since the project and control of the project is within Germany’s control?

    PRESIDENT BIDEN: We will — I promise you, we’ll be able to do it.

    CHANCELLOR SCHOLZ: (As interpreted.) Thank you very much for your question. I want to be absolutely clear: We have intensively prepared everything to be ready with the necessary sanctions if there is a military aggression against Ukraine.

    And this is necessary. It is necessary that we do this in advance so that Russia can clearly understand that these are far-reaching, severe measures.

    It is part of this process that we do not spell out everything in public because Russia could understand that there might be even more to come. And, at the same time, it is very clear we are well prepared with far-reaching measures. We will take these measures together with our Allies, with our partners, with the U.S., and we will take all necessary steps. You can be sure that there won’t be any measures in which we have a differing approach. We will act together jointly.

    (Speaks in English.) And possibly this is a good idea to say to our American friends: We will be united, we will act together, and we will take all the necessary steps. And all the necessary steps will be done by all of us together.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/07/remarks-by-president-biden-and-chancellor-scholz-of-the-federal-republic-of-germany-at-press-conference/
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    Post by kondo Thu Feb 09, 2023 8:57 pm

    apsolutno



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    Post by Zus Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:22 pm

    Rekoše da im ne daju oružje dugog dometa jer bi ga koristili za napad ruskih gradova a ne za odbranu.
    Ne verujem da će im još uvek to dati
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    Post by kondo Thu Feb 09, 2023 11:57 pm

    rusi su debili što nisu razvili oružje za skidanje satelita i što sa ovim učešćem US/UK uključujući i stopiranje ukrajine da pregovara nisu krenuli da pucketaju taktičkim po dubini linije fronta


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    Post by MNE Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:17 am

    Rusija ima oružje za skidanje satelita ali bi to bila direktna objava rata USA.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Feb 10, 2023 12:24 am

    fwiw sada:

    Predsednik Ukrajine Vladimir Zelenski priznao je da je ranije sam izjavio da se Minski sporazumi ne mogu ispuniti i da on ne planira da ih ispunjava.

    "Što se tiče ‘Minska’ u celini, rekao sam Emanuelu Makronu i Angeli Merkel: nećemo moći da ga realizujemo", rekao je Zelenski u intervjuu za "Špigel".


    Prema rečima Zelenskog, istu stvar rekao je i predsedniku Rusije Vladimiru Putinu na prvom i poslednjem sastanku sa njim u normandijskom formatu 2019. godine.

    "Rekao sam mu isto što i ovima dvoma. Oni su bili iznenađeni i odgovorili: Da smo znali ranije da ćete promeniti smisao našeg sastanka, bilo bi problema i pre samita", dodao je Zelenski.

    On je dodao da je ukrajinska strana koristila sporazum samo za razmenu ratnih zarobljenika.


    Početkom decembra, Merkelova je izjavila da su Minski sporazumi bili pokušaj da se Kijevu pruži vreme za jačanje.

    Odmah za njom to je potvrdio i bivši francuski predsednik Fransoa Oland.

    Prema njegovim rečima, tadašnja geopolitička situacija nije išla u korist Ukrajine, a Zapadu je bila potrebna pauza.

    Ruski predsednik Vladimir Putin prokomentarisao je da je izjava Merkelove za njega iznenađujuća i razočaravajuća.
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    Post by Notxor Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:19 am

    MNE wrote:
    Notxor wrote:Solidan pregled rata i perspektiva

    What Russia Got Wrong
    kraći bi bio spisak What Russia Did Not Get Wrong

    Naravno, ali je i redosled bitan (a i o tome je tekst).
    Zato upravo sad rade ono što je trebalo da bude broj 1, a to je uništavanje električne (i svake druge) infrastrukture.
    A sad kad je objavljeno da Amerikanci usmeravaju američke rakete ka ruskim ciljevima zanima me koji će biti ruski odgovor, odnosno da li će ga autsorsovati.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:41 am

    Da, to je bas ono sto treba da rade
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    Post by Notxor Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:50 am

    Ne verujem ni ja da će odgovoriti prvo, tj. direktno Amerikancima - mora da se zna red.


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    Post by Uncle Baby Billy Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:53 am

    novi Fridmanov tekst

    https://samf.substack.com/p/the-storm-before-the-calm


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:56 am

    Ne bi bilo lose kad bi umesto odgovaranja neratujućem savezniku i raspamecivanja civilne infrastrukture umeli da urade na frontu nesto sto prilici vojsci koja se izdaje za drugu na svetu.
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    Post by Notxor Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:00 am

    A pa to je zato što "nema jake".


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    Post by MNE Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:02 am

    Notxor wrote:
    MNE wrote:
    kraći bi bio spisak What Russia Did Not Get Wrong

    Naravno, ali je i redosled bitan (a i o tome je tekst).
    Zato upravo sad rade ono što je trebalo da bude broj 1, a to je uništavanje električne (i svake druge) infrastrukture.
    A sad kad je objavljeno da Amerikanci usmeravaju američke rakete ka ruskim ciljevima zanima me koji će biti ruski odgovor, odnosno da li će ga autsorsovati.
    ah, RTS 1999. i Rusija koja svaki dan okreće rakete prema Americi i prosječan Srbin koji zamišlja desetoricu Rusa kako vezuju konop za lanser i okreću ga nekuda
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    Post by Notxor Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:06 am

    Zar nije Washington Post to objavio, ili sam možda ja nešto istripovao?
    Tj. da koordinate ciljeva daju Ameri, da su rakete američke, a da Volodimir samo pritiska dugme.

    jeste WP
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/09/ukraine-himars-rocket-artillery-russia/

    a ima i još

    NATIONAL SECURITY
    Pentagon looks to restart top-secret programs in Ukraine
    If approved, the move would authorize U.S. Special Operations troops to employ Ukrainian operatives to observe Russian movements and counter disinformation

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/02/10/us-special-operations-ukraine-surrogate-program/


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