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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:52 pm

    Estonskog su vec isterali

    Elem, ako je ovo tacno...ovo je vec nesto.

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:52 pm

    Mislim, samo ovih 12 Archera je - wow
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    Post by kondo Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:55 pm

    Još 100,000 mrtvih Ukrajinaca, bravo, i još 30+% inflacije za društvo u ćošku


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:05 am

    nema povratka na staro. ovo ce da pici ili dok putin ne padne ili dok se odnos snaga u svetu drasticno ne promeni u njegovu korist.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jan 24, 2023 12:08 am

    Ovo drugo nemam predstavu kako može da se desi. Trump da pobedi, možda, ali to je jan 2025. Gde je to...
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    Post by Filipenko Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:02 am

    Erős Pista wrote:
    fikret selimbašić wrote:

    Tomos.

    Lol, pa kako ti je to promaklo. Filipenko se onomad strasno zabrinuo kad je SPC dala tomos MPCu, pa je to meni postalo simbol za ove takticke ciljeve oko kojih se povremeno strasno uzbudi, kao da mu je stvarno stalo do njih.


    Filipenku nije stalo do tomosa, niti do Ukrajinaca. Medjutim, Filipenko zapaza naizglednu™ nelogicnost kako patrijarhu nije narocito stalo do tomosa (tj. sprecavanja da otpadnici od njegove crkve dobiju isti), kao ni da ukrajinskom vodjstvu nije narocito stalo do Ukrajinaca i da se tamo politika vodi u bokanovsko-seseljevskom stilu, od strane u najmanju ruku simpatizera nacista (ovde umetnuti sliku glavnokomandujuceg djenerala Zaluznog sa Banderinim portretom).

    Potom uocavam cudnovatost na relaciji forumaskog deklarativnog opredeljenja i onoga za sta se zalazu u ovom ratu, a to je da se sa Rusijom/Putinom mora ici do kraja i da drugacije ne vredi. Pa mi je to malo cudno. Eto, samo toliko. Da li ce Rusija zestoko izgubiti u Ukrajini? Moguce, vode ih idioti. Da li ce silni Ukrajinci platiti glavama samo pokusaje i nastojanja da se to desi, sto bi sportski komentatori rekli da dobiju priliku za sansu? Moguce, samo nisam navikao da se to podstice i pozdravlja, barem na ovom mestu. Ovde bih pre ocekivao "neka potpisu dogovor da Donbas i Krim odu, ionako su realno vec otisli, a i sta ce ako ih povrate, da poubijaju i proteraju kompletno lokalno stanovnistvo?"

    Ne kazem da se za takav stav covek ne moze zalagati, ali ja to ocekujem recimo od nekoga ko je za isti takav metod po pitanju nas i Kosova, na primer. Pa tu uocavam diskrepancu jer isti ljudi koji vrlo razlozno (i razumno, po mom misljenju) objasnjavaju da nema poente ratovati za Kosovo i da nije imalo smisla placati iluziju tolikim zrtvama, uz obavezan moralni stav "a sta cemo sutra, ne mozemo pobiti sve Albance" ovde manje-vise zagovaraju sve suprotno.

    Moja razmisljanja su veoma jednostavna i svode se na pitanje "Sta bi Staljin sada uradio?" te mi je uz tako nepobitni moralni orijentir lako da odredim sta i kako dalje.
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    Post by kondo Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:09 am

    +1, sem kobe


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    Post by Filipenko Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:11 am

    Koba bi nam rekao da ovde nema nase strane i da ne mozemo pobediti, vec samo izgubiti u ovom ratu. I u pravu je. Prica mi to otkako je poceo rat.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:25 am

    Filipenko wrote:
    Erős Pista wrote:

    Lol, pa kako ti je to promaklo. Filipenko se onomad strasno zabrinuo kad je SPC dala tomos MPCu, pa je to meni postalo simbol za ove takticke ciljeve oko kojih se povremeno strasno uzbudi, kao da mu je stvarno stalo do njih.


    Filipenku nije stalo do tomosa, niti do Ukrajinaca. Medjutim, Filipenko zapaza naizglednu™ nelogicnost kako patrijarhu nije narocito stalo do tomosa (tj. sprecavanja da otpadnici od njegove crkve dobiju isti), kao ni da ukrajinskom vodjstvu nije narocito stalo do Ukrajinaca i da se tamo politika vodi u bokanovsko-seseljevskom stilu, od strane u najmanju ruku simpatizera nacista (ovde umetnuti sliku glavnokomandujuceg djenerala Zaluznog sa Banderinim portretom).

    Potom uocavam cudnovatost na relaciji forumaskog deklarativnog opredeljenja i onoga za sta se zalazu u ovom ratu, a to je da se sa Rusijom/Putinom mora ici do kraja i da drugacije ne vredi. Pa mi je to malo cudno. Eto, samo toliko. Da li ce Rusija zestoko izgubiti u Ukrajini? Moguce, vode ih idioti. Da li ce silni Ukrajinci platiti glavama samo pokusaje i nastojanja da se to desi, sto bi sportski komentatori rekli da dobiju priliku za sansu? Moguce, samo nisam navikao da se to podstice i pozdravlja, barem na ovom mestu. Ovde bih pre ocekivao "neka potpisu dogovor da Donbas i Krim odu, ionako su realno vec otisli, a i sta ce ako ih povrate, da poubijaju i proteraju kompletno lokalno stanovnistvo?"

    Ne kazem da se za takav stav covek ne moze zalagati, ali ja to ocekujem recimo od nekoga ko je za isti takav metod po pitanju nas i Kosova, na primer. Pa tu uocavam diskrepancu jer isti ljudi koji vrlo razlozno (i razumno, po mom misljenju) objasnjavaju da nema poente ratovati za Kosovo i da nije imalo smisla placati iluziju tolikim zrtvama, uz obavezan moralni stav "a sta cemo sutra, ne mozemo pobiti sve Albance" ovde manje-vise zagovaraju sve suprotno.

    Moja razmisljanja su veoma jednostavna i svode se na pitanje "Sta bi Staljin sada uradio?" te mi je uz tako nepobitni moralni orijentir lako da odredim sta i kako dalje.

    Sve 5. Neka potpisu dogovor za Donbas i Krim 24.02.22. style. Ako to može ja sam odmah za to da potpišu.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jan 24, 2023 1:39 am

    Mislim, ljudi, Putin nikada od svoje volje nece pristati na to. Jer to je poraz u kontekstu svega sto se tice Rusije u ovom ratu. On se moze samo primorati da to prihvati.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:55 am

    pa da. problem je sto bi to moralo doci od rusa kao predlog plus nesto kao protivteza. npr. da se obavezu da ne ogranicavaju suverenitet ukrajine glede prikljucenja EU i NATO.


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    Post by boomer crook Tue Jan 24, 2023 6:56 am

    Mór Thököly wrote:Ovo drugo nemam predstavu kako može da se desi. Trump da pobedi, možda, ali to je jan 2025. Gde je to...

    pa to je dosta neizgledno ali ono kina napadne tajvan, kim njukuje seul ili se desi neka globalna posast. kao ona stara prica o nasrudin hodzi i letecem konju.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:56 am

    Dobro, to da. Ali koliko je i to izgledno...
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    Post by kondo Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:30 am

    boomer crook wrote:pa da. problem je sto bi to moralo doci od rusa kao predlog plus nesto kao protivteza. npr. da se obavezu da ne ogranicavaju suverenitet ukrajine glede prikljucenja EU i NATO.

    NATO ne može. ti ko da si zastupnik ukrajine na pregovorima.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jan 24, 2023 3:36 pm

    Vi bi u sred napetog filma da vam neko kaže kako će da se završi. Ne ide to. Mora da se gleda do kraja.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:05 pm

    Nije baš za ovu temu ali ajde

    An Examination of the Truly Dire State of Germany's Military
    https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-bad-news-bundeswehr-an-examination-of-the-truly-dire-state-of-germany-s-military-a-df92eaaf-e3f9-464d-99a3-ef0c27dcc797


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    One example: The commander of the 10th Tank Division reported to his superiors that during an exercise with 18 Puma infantry fighting vehicles, all 18 of them broke down. It was a worrisome incident given that the ultra-modern weapons systems are a key component of the NATO rapid-reaction force. There is a lack of munitions and equipment – and arms deliveries to Ukraine have only worsened the situation. "The cupboards are almost bare," said Alfons Mais, inspector general of the German army, at the beginning of the war. André Wüstner, head of the German Bundeswehr Association, seconds him: "We continue to be in free fall."
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    In December, Inspector General Eberhard Zorn delivered his most recent report. The 24 pages are full of traffic light symbols indicating for the first time not just the military’s material situation, but also whether there are sufficient numbers of fully trained soldiers available to fulfill specific missions.
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    Next on the list is the NATO battle group in Lithuania, which has been boosted to over 1,000 soldiers for the foreseeable future in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. For personnel, the traffic light is green, as is the case for training and leadership. But when it comes to equipment, it’s yellow. According to the accompanying explanation, the army is currently unable to send artillery units to Lithuania. The Bundeswehr has for years suffered from a shortage of artillery, a problem made worse by arms deliveries to Ukraine. It will take several years for this deficit to be eliminated.

    Anti-aircraft defense is likewise deficient due to parallel commitments to the NATO rapid reaction force. "After the cessation of the multinational contribution, this will lead to a qualified shortage of corresponding organic capabilities starting in quarter I of 2023," the report reads, in a fine example of military bureaucratese.

    The Battle Group’s leadership capabilities "in association with our multinational partners are limited, primarily due to the lack of modern and interoperable radio equipment."

    In other words, Germany’s military continues to be reliant on analog radios, communications that can be easily intercepted, for one. For another, they are incompatible with the modern devices used by soldiers from the Netherlands, the Czech Republic and Norway, all of whom are part of the unit Germany leads.


    The situation is no better when it comes to those units that have been committed to NATO, though not yet called upon, for specific tasks – such as the NATO rapid reaction force.

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    To avoid any misunderstanding, the inspector general’s report does not address the state of the Bundeswehr in its entirety. It only refers to the over 20,000 men and women who are currently committed to missions and reserve units for NATO, the European Union and the United Nations. The report’s concluding verdict only applies to that group: "Operational readiness to fulfill duties currently assigned is assured, with some limitations."

    How, then, must things look for the rest of the German military? For the 163,000 soldiers who are not currently assigned to a specific mission? There is no comparable report for this group, but there are plenty of indications – such as the operational readiness of the military’s most important weapons systems. Precise numbers are classified, but when it comes to the Bundeswehr, not much actually remains secret.

    Of the various helicopter models belonging to the navy, just 30 percent at most were available in mid-November, as were a third of the military’s ancient Tornado fighter jets and just over half of its Marder infantry fighting vehicles. Only half of the CH-53 heavy transport helicopters, also ancient, are operational. Just a shade more than half of the Bundeswehr’s Panzerhaubitze 2000 self-propelled guns are available, two thirds of its frigates and half of its submarines.

    The numbers are confusing because the Bundeswehr doesn’t measure the operational readiness of various weapons systems relative to the numbers it has on its books, but relative to the "available inventory." That number is always much lower given that a significant number of vehicles and weapons systems are, at any given time, undergoing refurbishment. For example, the books show that the Bundeswehr possesses more than 300 Leopard 2 battle tanks. Around two-thirds of them are "available," but of that number, just 60 percent – around 130 – are operational.

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    Divisions, brigades and battalions remained in existence on paper, but they were equipped with only a fraction of the necessary materiel, which in turn became increasingly obsolete due to budgetary constraints. The units that were scheduled for deployment had to scrounge up equipment from the entire Bundeswehr. "Width before depth" was the new motto, and the shuffling back and forth of the few tanks and howitzers was celebrated as "dynamic availability management."

    ...
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    Post by Notxor Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:12 pm

    Samo još fali jaka nemačka vojska da spektakl bude kompletan.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:22 pm

    Filipenko wrote:Ne kazem da se za takav stav covek ne moze zalagati, ali ja to ocekujem recimo od nekoga ko je za isti takav metod po pitanju nas i Kosova, na primer. Pa tu uocavam diskrepancu jer isti ljudi koji vrlo razlozno (i razumno, po mom misljenju) objasnjavaju da nema poente ratovati za Kosovo i da nije imalo smisla placati iluziju tolikim zrtvama, uz obavezan moralni stav "a sta cemo sutra, ne mozemo pobiti sve Albance" ovde manje-vise zagovaraju sve suprotno.
    Kako ti nije jasno? U Srbiji ne postoji raspoloženje generacije koja bi išla u rat (18-34) da za Kosovo treba da se gine. Ne postoji nijedna zemlja u okruženju koja podržava Srbiju preko koje bi se džebana mogla doturati u Srbiju. Na kraju, ne postoji ni velika sila koja bi htela da Srbiju pomogne, osim verbalno. Mi Srbi smo kurčeviti, ali nismo suicidalni.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Filipenko Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:46 pm



    Majstorova Margarita otkrila vaznost izlazne strategije i skontala da je nema...
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jan 24, 2023 4:49 pm

    Izlazna strategija je da umarsiraju u Berlin.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:15 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Izlazna strategija je da umarsiraju u Berlin.

    U nuklearnom ratu nema poobjednika ali jebeš svijet ako Rusije nema.

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    Post by паће Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:18 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Izlazna strategija je da umarsiraju u Berlin.

    ... и врате баба-Швабу на престо?


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:18 pm

    Nuklearni rat je izlazna strategija ako nam stanu na put dok marsiramo ka Berlinu. Na svetu je da odluci da li da se skloni ili da svi izginemo.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:20 pm

    Dosadili su više sa tom pričom kako će Sarmati da lete po Evropi. U to više niko ne veruje.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Jan 24, 2023 5:27 pm

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Dosadili su više sa tom pričom kako će Sarmati da lete po Evropi. U to više niko ne veruje.

    Red sve ide po planu pa red Kinžala, Sarmata, Topola...



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