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“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Europe Is Rushing Arms to Ukraine but Running Out of Ammo
Europe, home to some of the world’s largest weapons manufacturers, is struggling to produce enough ammunition for Ukraine and for itself, jeopardizing NATO’s defense capacity and its support for Kyiv, officials and industry leaders say.
A lack of production capacity, a dearth of specialized workers, supply-chain bottlenecks, high costs of financing and even environmental regulations are putting a brake on efforts to increase output, presenting the West and Ukraine with a fresh challenge for next year.
The war of attrition between Russia and Ukraine is now morphing into a rearmament race between Moscow and European members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, who are scrambling to shore up their own defenses in light of the growing threat posed by the Kremlin.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky highlighted the bottleneck during his visit to Washington, D.C., on Wednesday. “The occupiers have a significant advantage in artillery. They have an advantage in ammunition. They have much more missiles and planes,” he told Congress.
The latest U.S. aid package for Ukraine, worth about $1.8 billion, includes the first Patriot antimissile battery sent to help Kyiv. Also in the package is equipment that converts unguided shells into precision-guided munitions, artillery and mortar rounds, and longer-range rockets.
Yet Ukraine’s military fortunes also depend on European countries, such as Germany, that let their defense industry atrophy in peacetime and are struggling to catch up as they focus on securing energy supplies.
Ukraine’s battle against the Russian invasion is consuming ammunition at rates unseen since World War II. Kyiv’s forces have been firing around 6,000 artillery shells a day and are now running out of antiaircraft missiles amid a relentless aerial onslaught by Russia, according to experts and intelligence officials. At the height of the fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas area, Russia was using more ammunition in two days than the entire stock of the British military, according to the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank.
No country in NATO other than the U.S. has either a sufficient stock of weapons to fight a major artillery war or the industrial capacity to create such reserves, said Nico Lange, a former top official at the German Defense Ministry. This means that NATO wouldn’t be able to defend its territory against major adversaries if it were to be attacked now, he said.
“Governments have been slashing contracts for decades, so companies shed production lines and employees,” said Mr. Lange, a senior fellow with the Munich Security Conference, a global security forum.
The current shortage of shells and missiles is largely due to a shift in the military doctrines of NATO allies in recent decades: Instead of planning for World War II-style ground battles, they focused on targeted, asymmetric warfare against unsophisticated opponents, said Morten Brandtzæg, chief executive of Nammo AS, one of the world’s largest arms manufacturers.
“We need orders of magnitude more industrial capacity,” said Mr. Brandtzæg, whose company is co-owned by the governments of Norway and Finland.
Ukraine uses up to 40,000 artillery shells of the NATO caliber 155mm each month, while the entire annual production of such projectiles in Europe is around 300,000, according to Michal Strnad, owner of Czechoslovak Group AS, a Czech company that produces around 30% of Europe’s output of such munitions.
“European production capacity is grossly inadequate,” Mr. Strnad said. Even if the war were to stop overnight, Europe would need up to 15 years to resupply its stocks at current production rates, he said.
British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said in an interview with U.K. media that an extra 500 million to 600 million pounds, roughly equivalent to $604 million to $725 million, had been added to the British budget to start replenishing ammunition stocks. French President Emmanuel Macron said earlier this year that the war meant that France needed to increase its military capacity and manufacturing speed. In a recent speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said “we have made the wrong decisions in the last decades when it comes to ammunition supply.”
At present, Germany doesn’t have enough ammunition to last more than two weeks in case of a Russian attack, German officials said, falling well short of NATO requirements that members should stock enough ammunition for at least 30 days of combat.
This is because, despite being one of the top five arms exporters globally, Germany doesn’t have a large-scale armaments industry, said Wolfgang Schmidt, chief of staff to Mr. Scholz.
The country’s once mass-scale manufacturing has now been reduced to a high-end workshop with small capacity, Mr. Schmidt said.
Germany needs to invest 20 billion euros, or about $21.2 billion, just to meet NATO’s 30-day ammunition requirements, Mr. Schmidt said. However, Defense Ministry officials said that the current budget only envisages just over €1 billion for ammunition in 2023.
One obstacle to rapid rearmament is recent European Union legislation that declared weapons manufacturing not sustainable, cutting it off from some private funding, said Hans Christoph Atzpodien, head of the German defense-industry association.
Some efforts are being made to expand production across Europe. Germany will co-finance the refurbishment and expansion of a Soviet-era factory in Romania to produce both NATO-standard shells and types compatible with Soviet-standard weapons used by Ukraine, according to German and Romanian officials. The project, which hasn’t been previously reported, could be unveiled by the end of this month.
Companies are boosting production too, sometimes anticipating government orders. Nammo, the Norwegian conglomerate, is working to deliver 10 times its normal artillery shell output, according to its chief, Mr. Brandtzæg. The Czechoslovak Group will in 2023 double its output of 155mm shells to 100,000, its owner Mr. Strnad said. BAE Systems PLC recently signed a £2.4 billion contract to supply the U.K.’s Ministry of Defense with ammunition.
Germany’s Rheinmetall AG made a €1.2 billion bid for the Spanish ammunition maker Expal Systems SA; the acquisition, if approved by antitrust authorities, will help Rheinmetall boost production, the company said. It will also build a new production line to make 35mm shells for the Gepard air-defense systems that Germany donated to Ukraine.
“The best way Europe can support Ukraine is to increase production of artillery shells now—this will be the single biggest issue next year,” said Rob Lee, a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a U.S. think tank.
Alistair MacDonald contributed to this article.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-is-rushing-arms-to-ukraine-but-running-out-of-ammo-11671707775
As war consumes more munitions, Europe is struggling to increase production of arms to help Kyiv and still defend its own territory
Europe, home to some of the world’s largest weapons manufacturers, is struggling to produce enough ammunition for Ukraine and for itself, jeopardizing NATO’s defense capacity and its support for Kyiv, officials and industry leaders say.
A lack of production capacity, a dearth of specialized workers, supply-chain bottlenecks, high costs of financing and even environmental regulations are putting a brake on efforts to increase output, presenting the West and Ukraine with a fresh challenge for next year.
The war of attrition between Russia and Ukraine is now morphing into a rearmament race between Moscow and European members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, who are scrambling to shore up their own defenses in light of the growing threat posed by the Kremlin.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky highlighted the bottleneck during his visit to Washington, D.C., on Wednesday. “The occupiers have a significant advantage in artillery. They have an advantage in ammunition. They have much more missiles and planes,” he told Congress.
The latest U.S. aid package for Ukraine, worth about $1.8 billion, includes the first Patriot antimissile battery sent to help Kyiv. Also in the package is equipment that converts unguided shells into precision-guided munitions, artillery and mortar rounds, and longer-range rockets.
Yet Ukraine’s military fortunes also depend on European countries, such as Germany, that let their defense industry atrophy in peacetime and are struggling to catch up as they focus on securing energy supplies.
Ukraine’s battle against the Russian invasion is consuming ammunition at rates unseen since World War II. Kyiv’s forces have been firing around 6,000 artillery shells a day and are now running out of antiaircraft missiles amid a relentless aerial onslaught by Russia, according to experts and intelligence officials. At the height of the fighting in eastern Ukraine’s Donbas area, Russia was using more ammunition in two days than the entire stock of the British military, according to the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank.
No country in NATO other than the U.S. has either a sufficient stock of weapons to fight a major artillery war or the industrial capacity to create such reserves, said Nico Lange, a former top official at the German Defense Ministry. This means that NATO wouldn’t be able to defend its territory against major adversaries if it were to be attacked now, he said.
“Governments have been slashing contracts for decades, so companies shed production lines and employees,” said Mr. Lange, a senior fellow with the Munich Security Conference, a global security forum.
The current shortage of shells and missiles is largely due to a shift in the military doctrines of NATO allies in recent decades: Instead of planning for World War II-style ground battles, they focused on targeted, asymmetric warfare against unsophisticated opponents, said Morten Brandtzæg, chief executive of Nammo AS, one of the world’s largest arms manufacturers.
“We need orders of magnitude more industrial capacity,” said Mr. Brandtzæg, whose company is co-owned by the governments of Norway and Finland.
Ukraine uses up to 40,000 artillery shells of the NATO caliber 155mm each month, while the entire annual production of such projectiles in Europe is around 300,000, according to Michal Strnad, owner of Czechoslovak Group AS, a Czech company that produces around 30% of Europe’s output of such munitions.
“European production capacity is grossly inadequate,” Mr. Strnad said. Even if the war were to stop overnight, Europe would need up to 15 years to resupply its stocks at current production rates, he said.
British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace said in an interview with U.K. media that an extra 500 million to 600 million pounds, roughly equivalent to $604 million to $725 million, had been added to the British budget to start replenishing ammunition stocks. French President Emmanuel Macron said earlier this year that the war meant that France needed to increase its military capacity and manufacturing speed. In a recent speech, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said “we have made the wrong decisions in the last decades when it comes to ammunition supply.”
At present, Germany doesn’t have enough ammunition to last more than two weeks in case of a Russian attack, German officials said, falling well short of NATO requirements that members should stock enough ammunition for at least 30 days of combat.
This is because, despite being one of the top five arms exporters globally, Germany doesn’t have a large-scale armaments industry, said Wolfgang Schmidt, chief of staff to Mr. Scholz.
The country’s once mass-scale manufacturing has now been reduced to a high-end workshop with small capacity, Mr. Schmidt said.
Germany needs to invest 20 billion euros, or about $21.2 billion, just to meet NATO’s 30-day ammunition requirements, Mr. Schmidt said. However, Defense Ministry officials said that the current budget only envisages just over €1 billion for ammunition in 2023.
One obstacle to rapid rearmament is recent European Union legislation that declared weapons manufacturing not sustainable, cutting it off from some private funding, said Hans Christoph Atzpodien, head of the German defense-industry association.
Some efforts are being made to expand production across Europe. Germany will co-finance the refurbishment and expansion of a Soviet-era factory in Romania to produce both NATO-standard shells and types compatible with Soviet-standard weapons used by Ukraine, according to German and Romanian officials. The project, which hasn’t been previously reported, could be unveiled by the end of this month.
Companies are boosting production too, sometimes anticipating government orders. Nammo, the Norwegian conglomerate, is working to deliver 10 times its normal artillery shell output, according to its chief, Mr. Brandtzæg. The Czechoslovak Group will in 2023 double its output of 155mm shells to 100,000, its owner Mr. Strnad said. BAE Systems PLC recently signed a £2.4 billion contract to supply the U.K.’s Ministry of Defense with ammunition.
Germany’s Rheinmetall AG made a €1.2 billion bid for the Spanish ammunition maker Expal Systems SA; the acquisition, if approved by antitrust authorities, will help Rheinmetall boost production, the company said. It will also build a new production line to make 35mm shells for the Gepard air-defense systems that Germany donated to Ukraine.
“The best way Europe can support Ukraine is to increase production of artillery shells now—this will be the single biggest issue next year,” said Rob Lee, a senior fellow with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, a U.S. think tank.
Alistair MacDonald contributed to this article.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/europe-is-rushing-arms-to-ukraine-but-running-out-of-ammo-11671707775
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Ово је већ једно стоти чланак који говори о томе како су сви ето остали без граната, и како нема више одакле. Нема граната у Украјини, нема у Европи, нема у Америци, па се опет Украјинци боре и побеђују.
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Burundi... opskurno udruženje 20ak levičarskih intelektualaca, kojima je fetiš odbrana poniženih i uvredjenih.
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Najbolje mi je ovo -
jeopardizing NATO’s defense capacity
Od koga tacno?
jeopardizing NATO’s defense capacity
Od koga tacno?
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Сенат США одноголосно схвалив положення, яке дозволяє спрямовувати кошти, отримані від продажу активів російських олігархів, на оборону, відбудову України та виплату репарацій у війніhttps://t.co/pjVnzAISnD
— Голос Америки Українською (@holosameryky) December 23, 2022
Амерички Сенат једногласно је одобрио одредбу која дозвољава да се средства добијена од продаје имовине руских олигарха користе за одбрану, обнову Украјине и исплату ратне одштете.
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Privatna svojina propo. Reci Filipenko.
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"Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."
“Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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Ma jok, bice super kad zaplene nase rezerve da namire odstetu Kosovu. Uvek je dobro da raspomamljeni siledzija odlucuje sta i kako sa tudjim parama i imovinom.
Ruske tajkune treba sve redom pobacati sa prozora, ali ne treba njihove pare prepustati Americi da radi sa njima sta joj je volja, vec ih vratiti ruskom narodu, od koga su i otete.
Ruske tajkune treba sve redom pobacati sa prozora, ali ne treba njihove pare prepustati Americi da radi sa njima sta joj je volja, vec ih vratiti ruskom narodu, od koga su i otete.
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Filipenko wrote:Ma jok, bice super kad zaplene nase rezerve da namire odstetu Kosovu. Uvek je dobro da raspomamljeni siledzija odlucuje sta i kako sa tudjim parama i imovinom.
Ruske tajkune treba sve redom pobacati sa prozora, ali ne treba njihove pare prepustati Americi da radi sa njima sta joj je volja, vec ih vratiti ruskom narodu, od koga su i otete.
Nadasve jednostavno resenje.
Ko ce da baca s prozora i iz kojih razloga, koga zabole.
BTW sta ce ruske pare u USA to se sad pitam - pa neka zapleni onda Putin americke pare po Rusiji, oh wait
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Pa verovali su da ce im biti postovana neprikosnovenost privatne svojine u zemlji koja je navodni sampion neprikosnovenosti privatne svojine.
Tako su evropski feudalci, princevi i kraljevi kada su ih gazile revolucije trcali Rusima na ruski dvor. I umesto da ih tamo oglobe, siluju i poubijaju, ne nuzno tim redosledom, te konfiskuju citave imovine i drzave, ruski carevi slali armije sirom Evrope da se biju protiv Napoleona, i na kraju vaspostavili drzavne tvorevine od pre francuske revolucije, umesto da uspostave sistem povezanih utvrdjenja od Neve i Dnjepra do obala Atlantika, uz strogi bezbednosni nadzor nad kontinentalnom Evropom. Jasno je ko je ispao debil u oba slucaja.
Tako su evropski feudalci, princevi i kraljevi kada su ih gazile revolucije trcali Rusima na ruski dvor. I umesto da ih tamo oglobe, siluju i poubijaju, ne nuzno tim redosledom, te konfiskuju citave imovine i drzave, ruski carevi slali armije sirom Evrope da se biju protiv Napoleona, i na kraju vaspostavili drzavne tvorevine od pre francuske revolucije, umesto da uspostave sistem povezanih utvrdjenja od Neve i Dnjepra do obala Atlantika, uz strogi bezbednosni nadzor nad kontinentalnom Evropom. Jasno je ko je ispao debil u oba slucaja.
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For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 22, 2022
Jordan, Cloud and Davidson standing for some. Others seem to be making a firm objection, including Clyde who shook his head no to a colleague next to him who stood up.
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022
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Del Cap wrote:For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 22, 2022Jordan, Cloud and Davidson standing for some. Others seem to be making a firm objection, including Clyde who shook his head no to a colleague next to him who stood up.
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022Diana* Harshbarger
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022
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Što se ostaloga tiče, smatram da Zapad treba razoriti
Jedini proleter Burundija
Pristalica krvne osvete
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Zastupnički dom američkog Kongresa pod kontrolom demokrata dao je u petak konačno odobrenje za paket pomoći Ukrajini u iznosu od 45 milijardi dolara nakon povratka predsjednika Volodimira Zelenskog iz Washingtona s obećanjem da će dobiti rakete Patriot za odbijanje ruskih napada.
Mjera, koja je dio vladinog financijskog okvira od 1,66 bilijuna dolara koji je Senat prihvatio dan ranije, sada još mora potpisati američki predsjednik Joe Biden.
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Putin od Ukrajine napravio novi Izrael. Bravo kretenu.Del Cap wrote:For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 22, 2022Jordan, Cloud and Davidson standing for some. Others seem to be making a firm objection, including Clyde who shook his head no to a colleague next to him who stood up.
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022Diana* Harshbarger
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022
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Cousin Billy wrote:Putin od Ukrajine napravio novi Izrael. Bravo kretenu.Del Cap wrote:For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 22, 2022Jordan, Cloud and Davidson standing for some. Others seem to be making a firm objection, including Clyde who shook his head no to a colleague next to him who stood up.
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022Diana* Harshbarger
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022
Plus Poljska, Finska i Švedska, a nije daleko ni Estlitlatvija.
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fikret selimbašić wrote:Cousin Billy wrote:Putin od Ukrajine napravio novi Izrael. Bravo kretenu.
Plus Poljska, Finska i Švedska, a nije daleko niEstlitlatvija. Лестванија.
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И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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Može,
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Cousin Billy wrote:Putin od Ukrajine napravio novi Izrael. Bravo kretenu.Del Cap wrote:For any Members of Congress who refused to clap for Zelenskyy, we need to know from them exactly why.
— Michael Beschloss (@BeschlossDC) December 22, 2022Jordan, Cloud and Davidson standing for some. Others seem to be making a firm objection, including Clyde who shook his head no to a colleague next to him who stood up.
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022Diana* Harshbarger
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) December 22, 2022
U to ime
Samoilenko also told The Times of Israel that “he sees Israel and Ukraine on the same side, the civilized battling the uncivilized in a struggle for the future of humanity,” the outlet summarized. https://t.co/9vg24IfMan
— Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) December 23, 2022
Representatives of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi Azov Battalion have been touring Israel to drum up support for the unit’s imprisoned fighters. They have been meeting with Israeli politicians and soldiers.
Azov intelligence officer Illia Samoilenko was released in a prisoner exchange with Russia in September.
He had been one of the hundreds of Azov fighters who surrendered in May at the end of the long Russian siege of the eastern city of Mariupol.
“Israel values freedom, values strength, Israel values honor. It’s the same things that we also value,” he told Israeli newspaper Haaretz this week.
Samoilenko also told The Times of Israel that “he sees Israel and Ukraine on the same side, the civilized battling the uncivilized in a struggle for the future of humanity,” the outlet summarized.
“We have prosperity, beautiful, prosperous, beautiful civilization, and they have medieval cavemen,” he said. It seems the “they” in this case are the Palestinians and the Russians, who Samoilenko regards as “uncivilized.”
Along for the Israeli tour with Samoilenko is Yulia Fedosiuk, the wife of an imprisoned Azov fighter and a far-right activist in her own right.
Both were on a charm offensive this week, as part of a wider push to whitewash Azov’s image in the West.
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Више ми личи на узајамно запирање.
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И кажем себи у сну, еј бре коњу па ти ни немаш озвучење, имаш оне две кутијице око монитора, видећеш кад се пробудиш...
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U celoj toj prici oko nacizma Azova (u cemu postoji istina u samom pocetku), ja bih se zapitao kakvi su to nacisti kojima komanduje jevrejin, koji nemaju nista protiv slobidnih izbora i parlamentarne demokratije, koji ne misle da su sloveni (nego samo rusi, sto je nesto potpuno drugo) niza rasa, itd, itsl. Realno, oni su samo (ili "samo") ekstremni ukrajinski nacionalisti.
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Moderni, pre svega.
Znaju koje kljucne reci treba pricati pred kojom javnoscu, imaju pr i marketing koji radi sve u 16, znaju sta kome treba da pricaju i secaju se da ni nacinemci nisu krenuli da jevreje salju u logore odmah 1933.
Naravno, nista nemaju protiv parlamentarnih izbora, ali kada istrebe sve partije koje im nisu po volji, poput partije Regiona, ili pozabranjuju leve i proruski orijentisane partije. Mislim, realno je dobra fora. Ko da im komanduju iz inostranstva...
Znaju koje kljucne reci treba pricati pred kojom javnoscu, imaju pr i marketing koji radi sve u 16, znaju sta kome treba da pricaju i secaju se da ni nacinemci nisu krenuli da jevreje salju u logore odmah 1933.
Naravno, nista nemaju protiv parlamentarnih izbora, ali kada istrebe sve partije koje im nisu po volji, poput partije Regiona, ili pozabranjuju leve i proruski orijentisane partije. Mislim, realno je dobra fora. Ko da im komanduju iz inostranstva...
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kako je ovo potpuno drugo?Mór Thököly wrote:U celoj toj prici oko nacizma Azova (u cemu postoji istina u samom pocetku), ja bih se zapitao kakvi su to nacisti kojima komanduje jevrejin, koji nemaju nista protiv slobidnih izbora i parlamentarne demokratije, koji ne misle da su sloveni (nego samo rusi, sto je nesto potpuno drugo) niza rasa, itd, itsl. Realno, oni su samo (ili "samo") ekstremni ukrajinski nacionalisti.
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MNE wrote:kako je ovo potpuno drugo?Mór Thököly wrote:U celoj toj prici oko nacizma Azova (u cemu postoji istina u samom pocetku), ja bih se zapitao kakvi su to nacisti kojima komanduje jevrejin, koji nemaju nista protiv slobidnih izbora i parlamentarne demokratije, koji ne misle da su sloveni (nego samo rusi, sto je nesto potpuno drugo) niza rasa, itd, itsl. Realno, oni su samo (ili "samo") ekstremni ukrajinski nacionalisti.
Lepo, to nije nacizam. Neka je i rasizam, nije nacizam.
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Continuing our support for Ukraine is morally right, but it is not only that. It is also a direct investment in cold, hard, American interests. pic.twitter.com/zlWoAVz3Kk
— Leader McConnell (@LeaderMcConnell) December 24, 2022
Eh, kad bi samo pobedili republikanci...
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