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    Cowboy

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    Post by Cowboy Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:39 am

    Cousin Billy wrote:Ruska tranzicija je polupala industrijsku bazu zemlje, stanovništvo im je ostarelo, savremeni borbeni sistemi zahtevaju delove iz inostranstva čija se proizvodnja ne može skalirati za godinu-dve...Rusija izvesno nije na izmaku snaga ali nema neograničen industrijski kapacitet. Dovijaće se, kupovati od ove i od one zemlje, seći uši i krpiti dupe, ali Kapetane zaista mi se čini da govoriš o zemlji koje više nema, tačnije o Sovjetskom Savezu, a ne o današnjoj Rusiji.


    Ovo je i moj utisak.

    Ne moze bolesni i ostareli lav da bude neka sila. Imaju resurse, imaju ljude, divnu zemlju - ali nemaju sistem koji moze da parira zapadnom. Tu prosto nema napretka jer nema vizije u nekom zdravom smislu.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:55 am

    Čisto ako je neko imao neke sumnje ili nade vezamo za sastav predstavnickog doma ili 2024

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    Post by Notxor Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:02 am

    Za ograničenje cena nekretnina na Baltiku i šire Rusija može da počne da radi ono što Severna Koreja radi decenijama, a to je da isprobava rakete dugog dometa preko obližnjih ostrva i poluostrva.
    Šveđani ionako isprobavaju sirene za uzbunu svakog prvog ponedeljka u mesecu.
    Rusi su već usrali Baltik toliko da riba iz njega nije za ljudsku upotrebu više od 1 godišnje.


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    Post by MNE Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:10 am

    паће wrote:
    MNE wrote:Najviše ruskih i ukrajniskih firmi registrovano je u Budvi (1.255)


    poređenja radi to bi bilo kao kada bi u BG bilo registrovano 100.000 ruskih i ukrajinskih firmi

    Одакле ти фактор 80?
    pa proporcionalno brjou stanovnika
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    Post by Notxor Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:40 am

    Ako se ne varam Budva je najpraznija van sezone + ima nov put do Podgorice.


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    Post by паће Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:09 am

    MNE wrote:
    паће wrote:

    Одакле ти фактор 80?
    pa proporcionalno brjou stanovnika

    Неће никад надјебати Житиште по броју регистрованих фирми по квадратном метру. Тамо је пре неку годину било 65 београдских таксиста на истој адреси.


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    Post by Solus_Rex Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:42 pm



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    A i deluje da te napustio drugar u odsudnom trenutku pa te spašavaju ova tovarka što vrv ni ne dismr na ribu, to joj se gadi, i ovaj južnjak koji o niškim kafanama čita na forumu. Prejaka šarža."  - Monsier K.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:15 pm

    Madjara u Zakarpatskoj oblasti ima 10%.

    Ako je statistika uopste tacna
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    Post by Guest Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:23 pm

    Fašistički tviter nalog na kome piše i da se mađarske teritorije prostiru otprilike do Besnog Foka, kao i da su Mađari direktni potomci Sumera.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:24 pm

    Cousin Billy wrote:Fašistički tviter nalog na kome piše i da se mađarske teritorije prostiru otprilike do Besnog Foka, kao i da su Mađari direktni potomci Sumera.


    Kad Poljska i Mađarska ulete u Ukrajinu...


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    Post by Erős Pista Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:25 pm

    Ne bi dobri Solus okacio tako nesto...


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    Post by boomer crook Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:19 pm

    ali ovo madjar brani a ukrajinac se krije ludilo Rat u Ukrajini - Page 33 1399639816

    ovo verovatno pise izmedju dva batinanja roma. inace putinti u srba ozbiljno veruju u great replacement theory

    edit: madjar ne solus. solus samo troluje sa ovim altright nalozima.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:41 pm

    boomer crook wrote: inace putinti u srba ozbiljno veruju u great replacement theory
    Bio nam je nedavno u gostima onaj DonaldDeSantis lik, on je pisao kako im rade great replacement u Kanadi i kako ce on od tog djavola da pobegne cim se penzionise. Na opste iznenadjenje, nema mnogo simpatija za Ukrajinu; to je failed state, zasto da im saljemo pare na ovu krizu, retoricki se on pitao.


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    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:23 pm

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    Post by Notxor Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:42 pm

    "Imaš neku fleku... tu napred, obriši to a ja ću da im naredim da nas ponovo slikaju. Ja sam ovde glavni i svi moraju da me slušaju."


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    Post by beatakeshi Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:47 pm

    Zašto se američki predsednici prave da nisu ćelavi?
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    Post by паће Wed Dec 21, 2022 8:48 pm

    Да се само то праве, па ни по јада.


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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:56 am

    Zelenski održao govor u američkom Kongresu. Ceo niz je dobar, ali ovo je ključno:





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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:00 pm

    WSJ:

    ABOARD THE FRENCH PRESIDENTIAL PLANE—French President Emmanuel Macron said Europe needs to take a more assertive role within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, reducing its reliance on the U.S. and developing its own defense capabilities, to secure peace in a region rocked by the war in Ukraine.

    Speaking to three reporters on his return to Paris from a summit in Amman, Jordan, Mr. Macron stressed that he doesn’t see his push to develop European defense as an alternative to NATO. A stronger Europe, Mr. Macron said, will allow the continent to become more autonomous within the alliance, acting “inside NATO, with NATO but also not depending on NATO.”

    “An alliance isn’t something I should depend on. It’s something that I should choose, something I work with,” Mr. Macron said. “We must rethink our strategic autonomy.”

    Mr. Macron is walking a delicate line. He has already angered Ukraine and some of its allies by calling for the West to provide Russia with security guarantees as part of any negotiations to end the war in Ukraine and prevent the conflict from spreading across Europe.

    On Wednesday Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met with President Biden at the White House and addressed a joint session of Congress. The high-profile visit is an effort to buttress political support in the U.S., which has supplied far more weapons to counter Russia’s invasion than any European ally.

    “Europe needs to gain more autonomy on technology and defense capabilities, including from the U.S.,” Mr. Macron said.

    The war in Ukraine has largely united Western allies in opposition to Russia and underscored the importance of NATO in protecting the continent. The U.S. and Europe have sent forces to the alliance’s eastern flank to bolster its defenses while also supplying Ukraine, which isn’t a NATO member, with a stream of heavy artillery and other weapons that have allowed Kyiv to regain territory.

    Delivering heavy artillery in large volumes for a conflict with no end in sight is a costly endeavor. The U.S., France and Germany are under pressure for new production after depleting their own stocks of weaponry.

    The cost of war for Russia and the West has created an opening for diplomacy that Mr. Macron is trying to pry open. Mr. Macron traveled to Washington at the end of November for talks with Mr. Biden on the war, telling French TV shortly after the meeting that the two leaders discussed the “security architecture in which we want to live tomorrow.”

    “This means that one of the essential points we must address—as President Putin has always said—is the fear that NATO comes right up to its doors, and the deployment of weapons that could threaten Russia,” Macron added.

    On Wednesday, Mr. Macron said he supported a strategy of “absolute defense of Ukraine.” A Ukrainian victory battlefield, he said, would then need to be codified in a “new text that must baptize a new order that assures the political stability and security of this region and of Europe.”

    Mr. Macron said security guarantees under this new architecture should apply to Ukraine and Russia as well as such neighbors as Azerbaijan, Georgia, Moldova and Armenia.

    “When I speak of guarantees, I’m talking about all of these countries, for us but also for Russia,” Mr. Macron said.

    Senior Ukrainian officials have dismissed the notion that Russia needs security guarantees as an attempt to lay the foundations for Moscow to receive concessions after launching the war. The French president’s critics say he risks reinforcing one of President Vladimir Putin‘s rationales for the invasion: that Russia was countering the expansion of NATO to Eastern Europe.

    Mr. Macron’s outreach to Mr. Putin has been a source of tension with Ukraine and its allies since the early months of the conflict when he regularly held phone calls with the Russian leader. Eastern European leaders accused Mr. Macron of appeasing Moscow after he warned earlier this year against humiliating Russia.

    “All the Europeans and Westerners giving me moral lessons should explain to me who’s going to be around the negotiating table,” Mr. Macron said Wednesday. “As for me, I don’t want it to be the Chinese and the Turks alone negotiating over what’s to come.”


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    Post by boomer crook Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:59 pm

    necemo kineze, necemo turke dajte ruse!


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    Post by Del Cap Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:09 pm

    To je ona verovatna posledica rata - još više neevropskih sila (pored SAD od 1945) će biti ugovorima/garancijama/interesima uvezani u evropski prostor. Dugoročno, to je prosto polit-ekonomsko slabljenje evropskog prostora u globalnom kontekstu, mislim da je to sigurica.

    Varufakis, kopa malo dublje na fonu onog zadnjeg pasusa koji sa boldovao gore, sa ekonomskom podlogom (tenzije ispod površine dodatno sprečavaju EU da ima usaglašen gla u mirovnom procesu):



    Why EU Leaders Dread a Ukraine Peace Process
    Dec 21, 2022
    Yanis Varoufakis

    After the 2008 financial crash, the European Union only papered over the internal North-South conflict that emerged, and the war in Ukraine has produced a new East-West divide. Once peace arrives, both fault lines will only grow deeper, uglier, and impossible to ignore.

    ATHENS – This is not a polemic about whether Russia can be trusted to respect any future peace treaty with Ukraine. Nor is it a commentary on the merits of ending the war by diplomatic means. It is, rather, a reflection on the latest European paradox: While peace in Ukraine would help stem Europe’s economic hemorrhaging, the moment any peace process begins, the European Union will be divided by an internal East-West fault line, which is bound to reawaken the EU’s earlier North-South conflict.

    A credible peace process will require difficult negotiations involving the world’s great powers. Who will represent Europe at that high table? It is hard to imagine Polish, Scandinavian, and Baltic leaders ceding that role to their French or German counterparts.

    In the EU’s eastern and northeastern flanks, French President Emmanuel Macron is considered a Putin appeaser ready to impose on Ukrainians a reprehensible (to them) land-for-peace agenda. Likewise, setting aside Germany’s long-term reliance on Russian energy, Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s standing as a torchbearer of Europe’s collective interest has been damaged further by his €200 billion ($212 billion) fiscal defense of German industry – the type of tax-funded protective shield which Germany vetoed at the EU level.

    Meanwhile, French and German elites pour scorn on the idea that the EU might be represented in any peace process by the likes of Kaja Kallas, Estonia’s Prime Minister, or Sanna Marin, her Finnish counterpart. “The moral crusades of the Ukraine war maximalists are fashionable now but they will hinder, not help, any peace process,” was how a German official put it to me.

    So, the question remains: Who will represent the EU in any future peace process?

    Had the EU seized upon the massive banking-cum-debt crisis of the post-2008 era to democratize its institutions, Europe might now be credibly represented by its president and foreign minister. Alas, as things stand, European citizens and national leaders would cringe at the thought of being represented by Charles Michel, the EU Council President, and Josep Borrell, the EU foreign policy supremo. Macron and Scholz, alongside almost every other European president or prime minister, would surely object.

    The optimistic view in Brussels is that, despite its lack of legitimate envoys and military weakness, the EU will carry considerable weight in any negotiations because it is the economic powerhouse that will pay for Ukraine’s reconstruction and be the arbiter of any process by which Ukraine joins the EU single market, customs union, or even the EU itself. But is such optimism justified?

    The EU will undoubtedly pay huge sums and orchestrate any postwar Ukraine accession process. But there is no reason to think this will guarantee the EU an influential role during the peace process. In fact, there are good reasons to think that the EU’s role as the main funder of Ukraine’s reconstruction will divide and weaken the Union more than even the crisis a decade ago.

    The EU’s own European Investment Bank estimates the cost of Ukraine’s reconstruction to be around €1 trillion – the amount of the EU’s budget over the 2021-27 period and 40% higher than its post-pandemic recovery fund, NextGenerationEU. Already hamstrung by its domestic €200 billion plan to shore up Germany’s collapsing industrial model, and the €100 billion Scholz has earmarked for defense spending, Germany lacks the fiscal space to provide even a fraction of that sum.

    If Germany can’t pay, it is clear that the other EU member states can’t, either. The only way to pay for Ukraine would be for the EU to issue common debt, retracing the painful steps that led to the recovery fund’s creation in 2020.

    Pressed to deliver the cash, the EU might well go down that path, only to find it leads to vicious acrimony. True, EU leaders agreed on common debt during the pandemic. But inflation was negative at the time, and all EU members were facing an economic implosion as lockdowns killed demand across Europe. Once peace prevails in Ukraine, they will need to agree to even more common debt to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction at a time when interest rates have quadrupled, inflation is rampant, and the economic benefits to EU members are bound to be grossly uneven.

    Spain will question the fairness of shared debt when German companies get the lion’s share of Ukraine’s reconstruction business. Poland will protest loudly when Germany and Italy announce that, with peace restored, they will be buying energy from Russia again. Hungary will sell its acquiescence to any Ukraine fund dearly, demanding even more exemptions from the EU’s rule-of-law and transparency conditionalities. In the midst of this bedlam, the old North-South (or Calvinist-Catholic) divide, on the merits of fiscal union, will return with a vengeance.

    Germany already fears that France will insist on permanent, and fairly regular, issuance of common debt, which the German political class will resist, and not only because the German Constitutional Court has already ruled against the idea. The deeper reason is that the fiscal union France seems to favor would require German conglomerates to abandon a practice that is in their DNA: accumulating US assets that they purchase on the back of the large net exports to America made possible by stagnant German wages and underpriced natural gas.

    So, unless President Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act changes Germany’s mindset by raising a protectionist barrier around the United States that kills off German net exports to America, any negotiations to end the Ukraine war are bound to aggravate the EU’s East-West divide – and then reignite the old North-South divide. 

    None of this should be surprising. After the 2008 financial crash, the EU only papered over the North-South fault line that emerged. The war in Ukraine inevitably produced a new East-West fault line. Once peace arrives, both fault lines will only grow deeper, uglier, and impossible to ignore.
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    Post by kondo Thu Dec 22, 2022 2:46 pm

    grci su najebali, turci ce mi se usetati na ostrvo


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:26 pm

    Ama, zato je jedina zdrava strategija.poraz Rusije, odnisno njen izlazak iz Ukrajine. Sve ostalo je dizaster u najavi.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu Dec 22, 2022 5:27 pm

    To vazi i za situaciju u Egeju.
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    Post by Del Cap Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:37 pm

    Kako bre....


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