Rat u Ukrajini

Cousin Billy wrote:Predlog za razmišljanje (dajem ovome 5% šanse): a šta ako je aneksija ujedno i prilika za početak pregovora i uspostavljanja koliko-toliko stabilne linije razgraničenja? Mislim ne moraju baš da teraju do konflikta NATO-Rusija, nigde ne piše da su u obavezi da prave Fallout 5.

Mór Thököly wrote:Ja bih ostavio i mogucnost da su to ludi Poljaci uradili

Notxor wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:Ja bih ostavio i mogucnost da su to ludi Poljaci uradili

Sigurno, jer u Nato svako radi šta hoće. Na potezu su Crnogorci. /s

Interoperabilnost pripadnika oružanih snaga Crne Gore i Slovenije je na visokom nivou, pokazala je današnja vježba “Adrian Pool 22” koju su u podmorju Bokokotorskog zaliva izveli crnogorski i slovenački podvodni timovi specijalizovani za uklanjanje eksploziva (EOD), saopšteno je iz Ministarstva odbrane.

MNE wrote:

Cousin Billy wrote:Predlog za razmišljanje (dajem ovome 5% šanse): a šta ako je aneksija ujedno i prilika za početak pregovora i uspostavljanja koliko-toliko stabilne linije razgraničenja? Mislim ne moraju baš da teraju do konflikta NATO-Rusija, nigde ne piše da su u obavezi da prave Fallout 5.

ekonomski balon se previše naduvao i mora se desiti veliki rat, zakon ljudske prirode jbg

The  primary aim of modern warfare (in accordance with the
principles of doublethink, this  aim  is  simultaneously
recognized  and  not  recognized by the directing brains of the
Inner Party) is to use up the products of the  machine  without
raising  the  general standard of living. Ever since the end of
the nineteenth century, the problem of  what  to  do  with  the
surplus  of  consumption  goods  has  been latent in industrial
society.
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But it was also clear that an all-round increase in wealth
threatened  the  destruction  --  indeed, in some sense was the
destruction -- of a hierarchical society. In a world  in  which
everyone  worked  short  hours,  had  enough to eat, lived in a
house with a bathroom  and  a  refrigerator,  and  possessed  a
motor-car  or  even  an aeroplane, the most obvious and perhaps
the most  important  form  of  inequality  would  already  have
disappeared.  If it once became general, wealth would confer no
distinction. It was possible, no doubt, to imagine a society in
which wealth, in the sense of personal  possessions  and
luxuries,  should  be  evenly  distributed,  while power
remained in the hands of  a  small  privileged  caste.  But  in
practice  such  a  society could not long remain stable. For if
leisure and security were enjoyed by all alike, the great  mass
of  human  beings  who  are normally stupefied by poverty would
become literate and would learn to think  for  themselves;  and
when  once  they  had  done  this,  they  would sooner or later
realize that the privileged minority had no function, and  they
would  sweep  it  away. In the long run, a hierarchical society
was only possible on a  basis  of  poverty  and  ignorance.

Mór Thököly wrote:Mislim, vrv cemo saznati uskoro ko je jer ce strana koja nije vrv pripremiti sledecu nezgodaciju strani koja jeste uradila

Russian soldiers who die in the line of duty in Ukraine have all of their sins forgiven, the patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church proclaimed in a sermon, comparing their sacrificial death to that of Jesus.

The assertion, made on Sunday, ratchets up Moscow Patriarch Kirill’s already staunch support for Russia’s war on Ukraine since its beginning in February.

Kirill has characterized the war as part of a larger metaphysical struggle against an encroaching liberal West, which he depicts as demanding gay pride parades. He has echoed Russian President Vladimir Putin’s depiction of Ukraine as spiritually and politically tied to Russia through their common medieval roots.

But Kirill’s latest words raise the rhetorical stakes at a time when Russia has begun mobilizing reservists and has taken steps to annex parts of eastern Ukraine in the wake of military losses to Ukrainian forces.

“If someone, driven by a sense of duty, the need to fulfill an oath, remains true to his calling and dies in the line of military duty, then he undoubtedly commits an act that is tantamount to a sacrifice,” Kirill said in the sermon.

“He sacrifices himself for others,” Kirill said. “And therefore we believe that this sacrifice washes away all the sins that a person has committed.”

He compared the sacrifice to that of Jesus on the cross.

The new sanctions will hit Russia's economy even more, depriving it of an additional €7 billion in revenues.

We also propose additional bans on providing services to Russia and prohibiting EU nationals from sitting on governing bodies of Russian state-owned enterprises. pic.twitter.com/imb2zRy93T

— European Commission (@EU_Commission) September 28, 2022

Del Cap wrote:Inače, krčka se kvazi-tehnički spor Gazproma i ukrajinskog Neftogaza oko slanja/prijema gasa na granici (ili "granici", pitanje je kontrole nad par graničnih pumpnih stanica), a nije nemoguće da je ovo spor koji je uvod u puni prekid odnosa tj transporta gasa i preko Ukrajine.

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— Gazprom (@GazpromEN) September 28, 2022

Što znači da će Turski tok biti jedini dotok ruskog gasa u Evropu (mimo vrlo malo TNG opcija) ako se to ostvari.

fikret selimbašić wrote:1. Ameri su gađali gasovod i jednim potezom izbili jak ruski ucjenjivački adut kojeg ovi od januara '06. koriste raznim povodima i u raznim prilikama?

2. Rusi su konačno prelomili da potegnu najjači konvencionalni adut i odlučili da EU ostave bez gasa. Izvedba je ovakva jer je brzinski potegnuto pa se nije imalo vremena za finije metode i cinična objašnjenja koja su za korištena za dosadašnja povremena zavrtanja?

Mór Thököly wrote:On je sektaš, ne može u pravoslavlju da ti se unapred oproste gresi.

MNE wrote:

Cousin Billy wrote:Predlog za razmišljanje (dajem ovome 5% šanse): a šta ako je aneksija ujedno i prilika za početak pregovora i uspostavljanja koliko-toliko stabilne linije razgraničenja? Mislim ne moraju baš da teraju do konflikta NATO-Rusija, nigde ne piše da su u obavezi da prave Fallout 5.

ekonomski balon se previše naduvao i mora se desiti veliki rat, zakon ljudske prirode jbg

ako budemo jednom bili pametni da se ne miješamo u stvari velikih sila možda izađemo i pozitivno iz svega ovoga, u smislu mnogo manje razoreni nego ostatak planete

Mór Thököly wrote:On je sektaš, ne može u pravoslavlju da ti se unapred oproste gresi.