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    fikret selimbašić

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    Post by fikret selimbašić Mon May 02, 2022 8:45 pm

    rumbeando wrote:Ukrajinci Bajraktarom izgleda noćas skinuli Rusima dva patrolna čamca tipa Raptor.



    - Ministar odbrane Ruske federacije Sergej Šojgu i njegov turski kolega Hulusi Akar razgovarali su telefonom o trenutnoj situaciji u Ukrajini, uključujucći i humanitarna pitanja, saopšteno je danas iz ministarstva odbrane Rusije.
    „Telefonski razgovor ministra odbrane Ruske Federacije Sergeja Šojgua i ministra odbrane Republike Turske Hulusi Akarasu održan je na inicijativu turske strane 2. maja 2022. godine. U fokusu sagovornika bila je aktuelna situacija u Ukrajini
    i povezana humanitarna pitanja“, navodi se u saopštenju, prenosi TAS S.




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    Međuopštinski pustolov.

    Zli stolar.
    Filipenko

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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 02, 2022 9:11 pm

    Ja isto, jos od trece najave. A veruju im i nasi rusofili da je Kijev pao za 72 sata.
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    Post by Sotir Mon May 02, 2022 9:33 pm

    Наравно да је Америма јадно да је инвазија Молдавије немогућа. Потопљена крстарица Москва је заградила пролаз и ка Одеси и ка Николајеву.  Rat u Ukrajini - Page 18 2304934895
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    Post by Filipenko Mon May 02, 2022 9:43 pm

    Tako nekako Rat u Ukrajini - Page 18 286371741
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon May 02, 2022 10:35 pm



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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Mon May 02, 2022 10:38 pm

    Cicvarkin Jevgenije
    Vilmos Tehenészfiú

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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon May 02, 2022 10:44 pm

    Aj izgovori ovu rec posle "Nudistka"


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by kondo Mon May 02, 2022 10:45 pm

    ščučinščinji


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    #FreeFacu

    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Mon May 02, 2022 10:54 pm

    kondo, ti si poliglota. Ja numem.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Filipenko Tue May 03, 2022 10:42 am

    Rusko ministarstvo je u saopštenju navelo da su komentari izraelskog ministra spoljnih poslova Jaira Lapida „antiistorijski" i "u velikoj meri objašnjavaju zašto aktuelna izraelska vlada podržava neonacistički režim u Kijevu".

    Moskva je ponovila Lavrovljevu tvrdnju da jevrejsko poreklo Zelenskog nije sprečilo Ukrajinu da bude pod kontrolom neonacista.

    "Ne samo da se u Ukrajini antisemitizam u svakodnevnom životu i politici ne zaustavlja, već se i neguje", navodi se u saopštenju, prenosi Rojters.


    Ne znam sta sada, mozda da pocnu da se ophode prema jevrejima i njihovoj drzavi u skladu sa ukrajinskim standardima...
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    Post by rumbeando Tue May 03, 2022 1:28 pm


    Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Alexei Danilov believes that there will be no peace treaty with Russia. According to him, the aggressor must capitulate.
    Source: Danilov on the air of a telethon
    Direct speech: "With Russia we can only sign its surrender."
    Details: The secretary of the National Security and Defense Council believes that there can be no peace agreement with Russia.
    He also does not have much faith in security guarantees from international partners. Danilov considers the biggest guarantee for Ukraine to be the strength of "the Ukrainian people."
    According to Danilov, Ukraine does not plan to conduct a new wave of mobilization yet. He added that the mobilized are currently undergoing training.
    Also, Danilov is surprised by the state of Putin, according to him, it is unclear what should be in the mind of a man who decided to attack Ukraine.
    The secretary of the National Security and Defense Council considers Russia's dreams of capturing the south of Ukraine and reaching Transnistria before May 9 unrealizable.
    He added that the victory will be for Ukraine, and the consequences for "this country" (the occupant - ed.) Ukrainians will still see.
    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/05/2/7343586/  (prevod: Deepl)
     
    Kirill Budanov, head of the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, believes that Russia's war against Ukraine may end in two ways - the breakup of Russia into three or more parts or the change of the Russian leadership.
    Source: Budanov in an interview with NV
    Direct speech: "This war will end. There are only two ways it can end."
    "The first is the division of Russia into three or more parts. And the second is the relative preservation of the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation with a change in the country's leadership.
    In the latter case, the new leader will say that Russia had nothing to do with all these processes, it was a sick dictator, and the country has nothing to do with it. In this case, Russia will give up all its occupied territories - from islands of Japan to Koenigsberg, present-day Kaliningrad, which belongs to Germany.
    Details: Budanov also assured: "Don't worry, Ukraine will win."
    When asked if the war could end and with Russian President Vladimir Putin still alive, the GUR chief replied, "Leaving him a way to retreat is one strategy, but it's almost unrealistic. He is a war criminal for the whole world. This is his end, he has driven himself into a dead end."
    Budanov also expressed the view that the chance of Russia using tactical nuclear weapons "has always been there," but this would only hasten the end of Russia.
    https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2022/05/2/7343556/ (prevod: Deepl)
     
    A ima i ova spekulacija:


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    Post by Guest Tue May 03, 2022 1:36 pm

    Ovaj Levi je koliko vidim putinovski trol, i to ne od onih koji glume objektivnost. Ima zanimljiv fazon, da daje kredibilitet svojim tezama tako što napiše "Posted on Ukrainian account" ali bez navođenja izvora.
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    Post by rumbeando Tue May 03, 2022 1:38 pm

    Kako god, nešto se baš ne sećam da je više visokih ukrajinskih zvaničnika u bukvalno par sati davalo izjave o kapitulaciji ili čak i podeli Rusije kao jedinom rešenju za zaustavljanje rata.
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    Post by plachkica Tue May 03, 2022 1:46 pm

    Ukrainian envoy to Olaf Scholz: Grow up!
    Ukraine has no time for a sulking German chancellor, Andrij Melnyk says.

    BERLIN — Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany, Andrij Melnyk, hit out Tuesday at German Chancellor Olaf Scholz over his criticism of Ukraine.
    “This is about the most brutal war of extermination since the Nazi invasion of Ukraine, it is not a kindergarten,” Melnyk said, according to German press agency DPA, in reaction to remarks Scholz made during an interview Monday evening.
    In the interview, Scholz said Ukraine’s decision last month not to welcome German President Frank-Walter Steinmeier “stands in the way” of him traveling to Kyiv.
    That was not an acceptable way to treat the president of “a country that provides so much military assistance, so much financial assistance, that is needed when it comes to the security guarantees that are important for Ukraine in the future,” Scholz said.
    But Melnyk dismissed Scholz’s reasoning. “It doesn’t sound very statesmanlike to behave like an offended liver sausage,” he responded, using a German slang term — beleidigte Leberwurst — for someone who gets offended easily or cannot take a joke.
    Melnyk, who became Kyiv’s ambassador to Germany in 2015, has been one of the German government’s most outspoken critics since Russia invaded Ukraine in February.
    The ambassador is a polarizing figure: To some Germans he is a welcome thorn in the flesh of a government they perceive as inert; while others have criticized his frequent attacks on Berlin as undiplomatic and unhelpful.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/war-in-ukraine-not-a-kindergarten-envoy-in-berlin-tells-olaf-scholz/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social
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    Post by Guest Tue May 03, 2022 1:48 pm

    To da. A čitam to samo kao signal da su razumeli da Rusija ionako ne namerava da pregovara. Kad je već tako, zašto ne bi malo podigli moral pomoću takvih izjava?
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    Post by boomer crook Tue May 03, 2022 2:22 pm

    nije stvar u tome sta im nude amerikanci vec sta im nude rusi.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by Sotir Tue May 03, 2022 2:26 pm

    Има и значајно везе са стањем на терену.
    Које је реално лоше за Украјинце, а слање све могуће помоћи у догледној будућности не може да га пуно поправи.
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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue May 03, 2022 2:46 pm

    Sotir wrote:Има и значајно везе са стањем на терену.
    Које је реално лоше за Украјинце, а слање све могуће помоћи у догледној будућности не може да га пуно поправи.
    Kako to misliš? Kad bi im stanje na terenu bilo bolje, onda bi davali skromnije izjave? Zašto?


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    Post by Sotir Tue May 03, 2022 3:15 pm

    Најављена велика помоћ од САД. Обећавају им доста да би наставили да се боре.
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    Post by Filipenko Tue May 03, 2022 3:17 pm

    Ko bi rekao da su nacisti agresivni megalomani sa sumanutim planovima, odnosno da su agresivni megalomani nacisti sa sumanutim planovima.
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    Post by boomer crook Tue May 03, 2022 3:20 pm

    Sotir wrote:Има и значајно везе са стањем на терену.
    Које је реално лоше за Украјинце, а слање све могуће помоћи у догледној будућности не може да га пуно поправи.

    nemoj da se ljutis ali to da je stanje za ukre na terenu lose slusam od vojnih gikova vec dva meseca. mislim jebiga izgleda da nije. ovo je izgleda situacija kada prevelika ekspertiza moze da pomuti pogled.

    in other news: rusi trenutno stampaju postere u kojima optuzuju svedjane tipa astrid lindgren i bergmana za nacizam. mislim to je histerija i bas zato sto im ide lose i sto su histericni moze svasta da se desi.


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    And Will's father stood up, stuffed his pipe with tobacco, rummaged his pockets for matches, brought out a battered harmonica, a penknife, a cigarette lighter that wouldn't work, and a memo pad he had always meant to write some great thoughts down on but never got around to, and lined up these weapons for a pygmy war that could be lost before it even started
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    Post by kapetanm Tue May 03, 2022 3:26 pm

    Pa stanje nije ni za koga dobro, s tim sto, po svemu sudeci Rusi mogu da odrzavaju rat jako dugo, a NATO da dopinguje oruzjem Ukrajince takodje dugo. Tako da sve mislim da ce drzati ko je sta uzeo i cekati
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    Post by boomer crook Tue May 03, 2022 3:28 pm

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    Post by boomer crook Tue May 03, 2022 3:29 pm

    kapetanm wrote:Pa stanje nije ni za koga dobro, s tim sto, po svemu sudeci Rusi mogu da odrzavaju rat jako dugo, a NATO da dopinguje oruzjem Ukrajince takodje dugo. Tako da sve mislim da ce drzati ko je sta uzeo i cekati

    stanje ne da nije dobro nego je uzasno i moze jos dugo da traje. ovi guraju napred, ovi drugi guraju oruzje i narnija.


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    Post by Del Cap Tue May 03, 2022 3:36 pm

    Zoka ponovo

    Predsednik Zoran Milanović najavio je da će staviti veto na poziv Finske za ulazak u NATO, iako je Rusiju nazvao agresorom u ratu u Ukrajini, dok se ne reši pitanje izbornog zakona u BiH.

    „Kao predsednik države koja predstavlja Hrvatsku na samitu NATO-a, staviću veto na poziv, ako bude na tom nivou“, rekao je Milanović novinarima u Vukovaru.

    Krajem maja u Madridu se održava samit NATO-a.

    U slučaju da poziv bude upućen na nižem nivou, rekao je da nije siguran da bi mogao da natera hrvatskog ambasadora da zauzme mesto u Savetu ambasadora, koje takođe može da uputi poziv.

    Rekao je i da će „kao đavo, grešnu dušu, progoniti svakog zastupnika koji je naklonjen”.

    Bivši ruski premijer Dmitrij Medvedev juče je napisao da Milanoviću preti odmazda Kijeva zbog njegovih izjava i stavova o Rusiji i Ukrajini.

    Milanović kaže da "ne želi da se navuče na takve udice".

    On je istakao da nije na strani Rusije. "Rusi igraju svoju igru, oni su agresor u ovom ratu, a mi imamo kliku na vlasti koja aktivno radi protiv interesa hrvatskog naroda u BiH. Zakleo sam se na njihovu zaštitu i politički ću umreti ako treba“, rekao je.

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