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    Post by Del Cap Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 20:21

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Srbija, Moldavija, Belorusija, ko bi mogao biti četvrti? Gruzija?

    ITALY'S ENI PREPARING TO OPEN RUBLE ACCOUNTS IN GAZPROMBANK - BBG

    fwiw
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    Post by kondo Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 20:25

    fwiw ili wtf?


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 20:28

    Odakle je vest?
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    Post by Guest Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 20:33

    Bloomberg.

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    talian energy giant Eni SpA is preparing to open ruble accounts at Gazprombank JSC, allowing it to potentially comply with Russian demands that gas must be paid for in local currency, according to people familiar with the matter.
    The move is precautionary as Eni seeks more guidance from the Italian government and European authorities on whether -- and under what conditions -- it may use the accounts to buy Russian gas, the people said. 
    A spokesman for Eni declined to comment.
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    Post by kondo Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 21:03

    zar ovo nije vest od kraja marta?

    BBG je blumberg


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    Дакле, волео бих да се ЈСД Партизан угаси, али не и да сви (или било који) гробар умре.
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    Post by rumbeando Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 21:47

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:Srbija, Moldavija, Belorusija, ko bi mogao biti četvrti? Gruzija?

    Obavezu da plaćaju u rubljama imaju samo neprijateljske zemlje, tj. one koje su uvele sankcije Rusiji.
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    Post by Del Cap Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 22:19

    Cousin Billy wrote:Bloomberg.

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    talian energy giant Eni SpA is preparing to open ruble accounts at Gazprombank JSC, allowing it to potentially comply with Russian demands that gas must be paid for in local currency, according to people familiar with the matter.
    The move is precautionary as Eni seeks more guidance from the Italian government and European authorities on whether -- and under what conditions -- it may use the accounts to buy Russian gas, the people said. 
    A spokesman for Eni declined to comment.

    Delom je vrv vezano 


    EU Nations See Ambiguity in Bloc’s Advice on Russian Gas Demands
    Bloc’s executive arm to fine-tune guidance, officials say
    Some governments want to close off appearance of workarounds

    Several European Union nations are pushing for clearer guidance from the bloc on Russia’s demand to pay for gas in rubles, saying the current advice is too ambiguous.

    The European Commission told the ambassadors at a closed-door meeting Wednesday that it will fine-tune the wording of its guidelines, according to people familiar with the discussions. A number of countries who raised the issue want the commission to clarify that buyers don’t have any workarounds to acquiesce to the Kremlin’s demands, one of the people said.
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    Post by MNE Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 23:44

    e pa baš fino

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    Post by ficfiric Wed 27 Apr 2022 - 23:46

    Oce l' i ovde biti nove serije eksplozija u namenskoj


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    Post by Guest Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 0:01

    MNE wrote:e pa baš fino


    Ovo je bullshit nalog
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    Post by Del Cap Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:00

    The war in Ukraine will continue until "Russia decides to end it," the United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres told CNN on Wednesday.

    "The war will not end with meetings,” he told CNN's Anderson Cooper during a wide-ranging interview. "The war will end when the Russian Federation decides to end it and when there is – after a ceasefire – a possibility of a serious political agreement. We can have all the meetings but that is not what will end the war."
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    Post by Del Cap Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:26

    4 gasna musketara su Nemačka, Austrija, Mađarska i Slovačka:

    https://www.ft.com/content/5c4ecf3f-67c9-4ae6-b1a2-d70f2ef7ac05

    EU energy groups prepare to meet Vladimir Putin’s terms for Russian gas
    Germany’s Uniper and Austria’s OMV plan to use rouble accounts for payments while Eni of Italy weighs options


    Some of Europe’s largest energy companies are preparing to use a new payment system for Russian gas demanded by the Kremlin, which critics say will undercut EU sanctions, threaten the bloc’s unity and deliver billions in cash to Russia’s economy.

    Gas distributors in Germany, Austria, Hungary and Slovakia are planning to open rouble accounts at Gazprombank in Switzerland in order to satisfy a Russian requirement for payments in its own currency, according to people with knowledge of the preparations.

    The groups include two of the single largest importers of Russian gas: Düsseldorf-based Uniper and Vienna-based OMV.


    Negotiations between European buyers and Gazprom, the Russian state-controlled gas supplier, have intensified as payment deadlines approach, they said.

    Italy’s Eni, another of Gazprom’s large customers, is evaluating its options, said two people familiar with the discussions. The Rome-backed company has until the end of May, when its next payment for Russian supplies is due, to make a final call, Italian officials said.

    The preparations show the impact of Russian efforts to weaponise gas supplies and challenge the EU’s ability to maintain a united front against Moscow.

    Russian president Vladimir Putin issued a decree in late March that gas buyers from so-called unfriendly nations — which include all of the EU — had to set up both foreign currency and rouble bank accounts with Gazprombank, the Switzerland-based financial trading arm of Gazprom, to pay for their supplies. The measure was seen as a way of neutralising EU sanctions against Russia’s central bank over Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Gas importers in Poland and Bulgaria, which have refused to sign up to the Kremlin scheme, had gas supplies from Russia halted on Wednesday, a decision Ursula von der Leyen, European Commission president, described as being tantamount to blackmail.

    Brussels has struggled to counter Moscow’s demands: the commission issued official technical guidance admitting that the financial engineering devised by the Kremlin could be “sanctions-compliant” under some conditions. It would result in Russia being able to access billions in gas revenues to support its currency and its economy, member states and EU officials said.

    Under the new Russian mechanism, European companies would continue to pay Gazprombank for their imports in euros — ensuring they did not breach the sanctions regime. The Russian bank, which is not under EU sanctions, would then, at their request, convert euro-denominated deposits into roubles in a second account opened in their name, for onward payment to Russia.

    The commission’s advisers have concluded that any move by the EU to impose sanctions against Gazprombank — which would be the swiftest way of closing the loophole — could jeopardise the entire existing payment mechanism for Russian gas, resulting in a catastrophic cessation of shipments to the bloc.

    Valdis Dombrovskis, commission executive vice-president, said in an interview that it was primarily up to the individual companies that had signed the contracts with Gazprom to implement and interpret them. But he urged them to stick to the letter of these contracts.

    “Prices are agreed in euros or dollars. So you pay this amount of euros for a given amount of gas, end of story,” he said.

    Russia’s move to cut off gas supplies to Bulgaria and Poland was nevertheless a challenge, he admitted. “It’s important to preserve EU unity in this regard and as President von der Leyen said, we should not be giving in to this kind of blackmail,” he said.

    OMV said it had analysed the Gazprom request on payment methods in light of EU sanctions and was working on a sanctions-compliant solution.

    Tiina Tuomela, chief financial officer of Uniper, said: “We consider that the amendment of the payment process complies with the sanctions law and so the payments are possible.”

    Italian officials said the commission’s guidelines on whether Gazprom’s payment scheme represented a breach of sanctions were ambiguous and did not give clarity to member states.

    German vice-chancellor and economy minister Robert Habeck said on Wednesday that the Russian payment mechanism was “the path that the EU marked out for us”.

    “It’s the path that is compatible with sanctions, and as far as I understand the German companies that are doing it this way are in compliance with their contracts,” he said. “Most EU countries are taking this approach.”


    He added that, following a visit to Poland on Tuesday, it was his understanding that Warsaw intended to take a more uncompromising line with Moscow. “They’re not scared of an embargo,” he said.

    Inače, tri crtice o ovoj šemi:

    1. nije ruska poenta da se nekako bustuje rublja; poenta je da se transakcija izvrši u ruskoj banci tako da kupac mora da ima interakciju sa ruskim bankarskim i rubaljskim tržištem (bustovanje rublje je sporedni efekat) ali pre svega da taj novac ne bi mogao biti zamrznut od strane EU dok leži na Gazpromovom računu u nekoj EU banci; to je igra iščekivanja i nepoverenja.

    2. samo tumačenje EKomisije kaže da bi i takav mehanizam mogao da se smatra da je u skladu sa politikom sankcija, to je fine-print, dok je u javnosti očigledno gurana kampanja da to ne sme, kao forma unutrašnjeg disciplinovanja. I sad su neki EU kupci odlučili da se drže napisanog a ne medijski izrećenog.

    3. Bugari su juče dali zanimljivo obrazloženje zašto ne žele da tako plaćaju - zato što se mimo ugovora ubacuje Gazprombanka kao novo pravno lice u celu transakciju, koje nema nikakvu obavezu u tom poslu, tj plaćanje Gazprombanci ne garantuje da će Gazprom nastaviti svoje ugovorne obaveze, postoji pravna provalija u tom smislu.
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    Post by rumbeando Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:31

    Zaharova jeste to rekla.

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    Post by Del Cap Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:36

    U tekstu je Zaharova citirana za ovo:


    James Heappey, UK's Under-Secretary of State for the Armed Forces, told Times Radio that Ukraine had a legal right to strike military facilities on the Russian territory to disrupt the logistics of the Russian Armed Forces.

    It is “completely legitimate for Ukraine to be targeting in Russia’s depth in order to disrupt the logistics that if they weren’t disrupted would directly contribute to death and carnage on Ukrainian soil," Heappey said.

    Commenting on this statement, Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said that in order to disrupt military logistics, Russia could strike military targets on the territory of a number of NATO countries that supply arms to the Kiev regime.

    "Do we have the right understanding here? After all, it directly leads to deaths and bloodshed on Ukrainian territory. As far as I understand, Britain is one of those countries," Zakharova clarified in her Telegram channel.

    See more at https://english.pravda.ru/world/151458-poland_romania/

    To o Bugarskoj i Rumuniji je potonja novinarska interpretacija.
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    Post by Guest Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:37

    ma Pravda...
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    Post by Del Cap Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:39

    S tim da to nije ona stara KPSS Pravda Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 1399639816, ta stara je gazeta-pravda.ru, medijsko krilo KPRF
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    Post by Guest Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:40

    Znam. Ova je generički gutter press
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:51

    https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1519570380108746753?s=20&t=s_FgDZdctPgPDEr5Uc7fDg

    U Sibiru izglasali eksproprijaciju žitarica i povrća iz Hersona jer sankcije.


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    Post by rumbeando Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:56

    Del Cap wrote:

    To o Bugarskoj i Rumuniji je potonja novinarska interpretacija.

    Da, ona spominje Britaniju.

    British Deputy Secretary of Defense James Hippy: "It is absolutely legitimate for Ukraine to strike deep inside Russia to disrupt the logistics, if these supplies are not disrupted, it will directly lead to deaths and bloodshed on Ukrainian territory."

    Do we understand correctly that for the sake of "disrupting the logistics of military supplies," Russia may strike military targets on the territory of those NATO countries that supply arms to the Kiev regime? After all, this directly leads to deaths and bloodshed on Ukrainian territory. As far as I understand, Britain is one of those countries.

    The "depth of thought" of Britain's defense ministry leadership is second only to the intelligence of that country's foreign ministry leadership.

    https://t.me/MariaVladimirovnaZakharova/2490
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 10:58

    Kako oni to mogu da "izglasaju"? Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 1399639816
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 11:13

    Mór Thököly wrote:Kako oni to mogu da "izglasaju"? Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 1399639816
    Ne znam, čekam da to netko istraži Rat u Ukrajini - Page 9 1844795956


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    Post by MNE Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 11:39

    Bleeding Blitva wrote:https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1519570380108746753?s=20&t=s_FgDZdctPgPDEr5Uc7fDg

    U Sibiru izglasali eksproprijaciju žitarica i povrća iz Hersona jer sankcije.
    ah, holodomor all over again
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 11:45

    Zato sto su "nacisti". Isto by Holodomor.
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    Post by Del Cap Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 12:16

    Inače, ko voli da ide u jazbine ruskog/rusofonog/antiruskog štagod onlajn bivstvovanja, može da pogleda ovaj niz, njegova meandriranja i moguće implikacije. Sve zajedno je kao neka otrovna bomba koja je pukla i raspršila sadržaj koga smo uglavnom nesvesni, samo ponegde nabasamo na tragove i ne znamo kako šta su.

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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Thu 28 Apr 2022 - 13:41

    Del Cap wrote:Inače, ko voli da ide u jazbine ruskog/rusofonog/antiruskog štagod onlajn bivstvovanja, može da pogleda ovaj niz, njegova meandriranja i moguće implikacije. Sve zajedno je kao neka otrovna bomba koja je pukla i raspršila sadržaj koga smo uglavnom nesvesni, samo ponegde nabasamo na tragove i ne znamo kako šta su.
    Bome jazbina, Sergej je ljigo, ali kad ukucam tekst iz sličice Sergejevog tweeta, vodi me na press release te neke sibirske pokrajine (sobranie.info) ali sama objava je izgleda izbrisana.
     
    Ostalo na cacheu: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:pgcrUDtAKPsJ:https://www.sobranie.info/newsinfo.php%3FUID%3D69969+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=hr

    It is planned to replenish the fund of agricultural products at the expense of supplies from Ukraine As part of the implementation of the strategy of state support for the agro-industrial complex and the development of rural areas of the region, the Committee of the Legislative Assembly for Rural Affairs and Agro-Industrial Policy adopted a resolution on initiating the supply of agricultural products from Ukraine. The deputies at the meeting almost unanimously supported the decision to import grain from the Kherson region, which was partially taken under the control of the RF Armed Forces as part of the Special Operation on the territory of Ukraine. Since there is only one cucumber production plant in the region, and the lack of other vegetables and grain crops as a result of the introduction of foreign sanctions is felt acutely not only in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, but everywhere at the federal level, the expropriation of last year’s and this year’s crop surpluses from farmers in the Kherson region will become one from tools to assist small businesses, consumer cooperatives. Committee Chairman Vladislav Zyryanov admits that colleagues from other regions will be able to successfully implement such experience in the future. “Despite the fact that logistics involves long-distance sea and land transportation, this approach will be economically justified, given the withdrawal of many suppliers of seeds and fertilizers from the Russian market, as well as significant costs for heat and electricity to grow our own vegetables and fruits. After achieving all the goals of the military operation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine, it will also be possible to increase the volume of supplies for the domestic Russian consumer by moving food from other southern regions taken under control, ”he is sure.


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