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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:43 pm

    op op prc prc.


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:45 pm



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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Notxor Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:47 pm

    jebemtisunce gde su ovi krenuli? bilo bi smešno da nije rat.

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    Post by rumbeando Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:51 am

    Opinion | Putin’s Strange New Messaging on Russian TV
    Russia’s flagship news broadcast is a rare window into Kremlin thinking — which is becoming muddier as the war drags on.
    In the Soviet period, watching the evening news broadcast on state television provided important clues into what was happening inside the Kremlin. One of my first jobs as a young Russian speaker living in Moscow was monitoring those broadcasts for American journalists — which leaders were shown shaking hands with whom could signal who was up or who was down in the Communist Party leadership.
    Now that Russian President Vladimir Putin has eliminated the last vestiges of independent media in Russia, the evening news broadcast “Vremya” on Channel One — Russia’s main state TV channel — is once again one of the few ways to peek inside the Kremlin. The news show is little changed since Soviet times, heavily focused on Putin and the Kremlin’s official business.
    So for the past few weeks, I’ve turned back to monitoring Vremya every night at 9 p.m. Moscow time. I’ve been watching it frame by frame — not so much for signals of what’s happening in Ukraine, but for what is becoming of Russia.
    The signals have been contradictory. On the surface, Putin appears to be doubling down on his mission in Ukraine. On Wednesday night’s broadcast, he delivered a speech for over 30 minutes that repeated his accusations that Ukraine has become a “beachhead” for the West’s aggression against Russia, and that his “special military operation” is only taking defensive actions it needs to protect its own security and the Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine.
    But beneath the surface, there are signs that the Kremlin’s posture is shifting. These shifts can be seen in changes of language and emphasis, particularly when compared to the messaging of the previous weeks. And they can be seen in the choice of topics; on Thursday, suddenly Putin was focused again on the status of Crimea despite the fact that its annexation has long been considered a done deal in Russia.
    Taken together, these shifting messages suggest that at least on some level, Putin understands that all is not going well for Russia, and they may even point to ways that Russia might be beginning to look for a way out.
    Here are seven things I’ve observed in the last week.
    1. Lack of cohesion in terminology.
    Three weeks ago, at the beginning of the invasion, the Russian airwaves were filled with triumphalist rantings about the inevitable Russian “victory” over “fascist” or “Nazi” Ukraine. But in recent days, the term “Nazis” is employed less to describe Ukrainians, in favor of “neo-nationalists.” There is little discernable pattern; the language seems to shift without any strategy.
    There is also less mention of whether Ukrainians are a “real” nation or not. Putin has for years poured scorn on the very idea of Ukraine, citing centuries-old arguments and shibboleths. This suggests that Putin may be dialing back his demonization of Ukrainians.
    2. Putin’s top advisers have vanished.
    Most nights, Putin is shown conferring with his advisers, who appear on a bank of TV monitors in front of him, with no advisers present. But on Tuesday, for instance, not a single member of Russia’s National Security Council was shown on the bank of TV monitors in whatever bunker Putin is holed up in. All of them seem to have either taken impromptu vacations — or simply been banished. The last time there was any fresh footage of Putin’s Cabinet ministers was last Saturday.
    This includes Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, who previously had been prominently featured on state TV. Shoigu, who has always come across as very level-headed, has been absent for days. This may suggest that he is being set up to be a scapegoat, if and when Putin needs one.
    3. Putin is worried about the economy.
    The West’s attention has mostly been directed to the bellicose first half of Putin’s speech, but the entire second half was devoted to Russia’s economy. Putin took pains to outline the financial support that will be made available to Russian families, including beefed-up child allowances, and extra financial support for Russian businesses. In the place of his security advisers, Putin was shown with the heads of far-flung Russian regions such as Buryatia, Kaliningrad and Tatarstan in an apparent effort to signal that he is addressing the financial pain that international sanctions will have in all parts of Russia. This wasn’t the first time Putin has devoted significant time on the domestic news to Russians’ financial hardships.
    4. Russia is claiming that the Ukrainians have inflicted the worst damage on themselves.
    Several days ago, Russian state TV alleged that Ukrainian forces in the southern city of Mariupol had bombed their own maternity hospital. On Wednesday, they claimed that Ukrainian Neo-Nazis had bombed that city’s drama theater, reducing it to shards of concrete and twisted metal. Both attacks, of course, were conducted by Russian forces.
    The fact that state TV is trying to deflect the blame for these attacks for the benefit of the Russian domestic audience suggests that they recognize that these attacks will not be well received at home, much less abroad. After all, Mariupol, with a pre-war population of 400,000, was at one time 85 percent Russian-speaking, a fact many Russians will know.
    5. Putin is laying the groundwork for the use of biological or chemical weapons.
    In his Wednesday speech, Putin repeatedly alleged that the West was using Ukraine to make and stockpile biological and chemical weapons — and even, potentially, nuclear weapons — for use against Russia. There has been increased emphasis on this in recent days. Russian propaganda frequently asserts that an enemy is making moves that Russia itself intends to take, which has the effect domestically of shifting blame for such a step on the enemy instead of Russia. This suggests that if Putin decides to escalate in coming days or weeks, use of biological, chemical or battlefield nuclear weapons may be his plan.
    6. Putin is shifting the goal posts.
    For the last few days there has been a gradual shift of emphasis away from Kyiv and the Ukrainian government — in fact, Kyiv is now rarely mentioned much if at all. During his Wednesday speech, Putin pointedly claimed that Russia never had a plan to capture the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, even though at the start of the invasion he made clear that he was seeking to control all of the country and Russian artillery has been relentlessly shelling residential areas of the capital for days.
    Instead, there has been a renewed emphasis on the necessity of “liberating” the coal mining area broadly known as the Donbas and protecting annexed Crimea and allowing Russian speakers there to freely speak Russian. On Thursday, Putin made an address from an unknown location dwelling at length on Crimea, promising the annexed region social support and road construction. Why the Kremlin chief would suddenly focus on Crimea is strange, since it supposedly is a solidly Russian area whose annexation, at least inside Russia, isn’t in question.
    He has several times also mentioned the importance of “neutrality” for Ukraine. Taken together, these shifts may be a signal that Putin is no longer seeking to control all of Ukraine and could accept a settlement of the conflict that instead focuses on the status of Crimea and the separatist regions in eastern Ukraine. The fact that the broadcasts tend to mention ongoing peace discussions between Russian and Ukrainian officials also suggests that Putin hasn’t entirely given up on diplomacy.
    7. Putin doesn’t look well.
    Many observers have noted that Putin looks puffy and unwell. On Wednesday there was an episode that also suggested that Putin is off his game — about 20 minutes into his speech, his language deteriorated into a ramble. He searched for words, repeating a term roughly similar to “you know.” It then became a diatribe, punctuated with uneasy pauses, even poor use of Russian, full of unnecessary conjunctions and jargon. The clip of Putin’s speech that was posted later on YouTube edited out this section of the broadcast.
    To be sure, these are contradictory signals and messages coming from the Kremlin through the state news broadcasts. They are alternately reassuring and alarming: The optimist might be gratified by mention of peace talks and fewer uses of the term “Nazi”, but the pessimist is right to be alarmed that Putin appears to be more isolated than ever and making decisions on his own — even as he toys with his WMD.
    But whether the viewer is an optimist or a pessimist, it is at least clear that things are changing inside the Kremlin, that Putin is anxious, that he’s changing tactics, and he’s preparing his domestic audience for those changes. To figure out whether that means more war or some kind of peace — stay tuned.
    Lawrence Scott Sheets has worked as a journalist, analyst and diplomat in the countries of the former USSR. He is currently president of Eurasian International Analytics LLC.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/17/putin-russia-state-tv-news-00018304​
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:21 am

    Za Rusiju postoji "way back", ali za njega - ne. Kad to shvati najveci deo politicke i ekonomske elite, a mozda i bezbednosne (jer i o njihovoj kozi se radi) - "Gotov je".
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:41 am

    Guardian

    Russian editor who protested against Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine during a state TV news broadcast says she is quitting her job but not accepting France’s asylum offer, calling herself “a patriot”.


    Marina Ovsyannikova, an editor at Channel One television, barged onto the set of its flagship Vremya evening news on Monday, shouting: “Stop the war. No to war.” he held a sign saying: “Don’t believe the propaganda. They’re lying to you here.” It was signed in English: “Russians against the war.”
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    Post by Filipenko Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:25 am

    Mór Thököly wrote:Za Rusiju postoji "way back", ali za njega - ne. Kad to shvati najveci deo politicke i ekonomske elite, a mozda i bezbednosne (jer i o njihovoj kozi se radi) - "Gotov je".


    Ne postoji. Jedino sto postoji je poneko odmrzavanje racuna i vracanje jahti/nekretnine, ali pod uslovom da se pokazu pred zapadnim gospodarima i zglajznu Putina, te se vrate sa vojskom do Volge, po mogucstvu do Urala.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:36 am

    To je ogromna, mnigoljudna i bogata zemlja. Takvi uvek mogu da "reinvent themselves".
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    Post by Vilmos Tehenészfiú Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:44 am

    ali…” Ukrajina skrojena  u njihovom avnoju izvan svojih gabarita” Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 3137070404Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 3984128386Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 1369035034Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 2705451110

    Jao kako Mile zavidi Putinu što sme da se obračunava sa njihovim Avnojevskim granicama…


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    "Burundi je svakako sharmantno mesto cinika i knjiskih ljudi koji gledaju stvar sa svog olimpa od kartona."

    “Here he was then, cruising the deserts of Mexico in my Ford Torino with my wife and my credit cards and his black-tongued dog. He had a chow dog that went everywhere with him, to the post office and ball games, and now that red beast was making free with his lion feet on my Torino seats.”
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:05 am

    I sva srpska "rusofilija" je u tome. Kod 90% takvih "rusofila". Direktno povezano sa resantimanom iz 90tih.
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    Post by MNE Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:06 am

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:op op prc prc.
    People's Republic of China — The PRC
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:13 am

    Vilmos Tehenészfiú wrote:ali…” Ukrajina skrojena  u njihovom avnoju izvan svojih gabarita” Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 3137070404Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 3984128386Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 1369035034Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 2705451110

    Jao kako Mile zavidi Putinu što sme da se obračunava sa njihovim Avnojevskim granicama…


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    Post by Guest Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:08 am

    Rutracker uveo sankcije Rusiji  Rat u Ukrajini - Page 35 1090578128

    trenutno kod mene jedva radi (verovatno zbog značajno povećanog saobraćaja, vest je tek objavljena) a preko moskovskog VPN-a uopšte ne mogu da mu pristupim.
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    Post by Del Cap Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:09 am

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:38 am

    Veselo
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    Post by Erős Pista Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:42 am

    Burundi 100%


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    Post by Mr.Pink Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:47 am

    gledam vesti sa fronta

    - nastavljaju da bombarduju zapadnu ukrajinu raketicama

    - Lavrov opet prica o denacifikaciji - dakle zelenovski cim spomene granice - ovaj denacifikacija

    denacifikacija je u kgb bukvaru ili smena komplet vlasti ili minimum podela ukrajine i okupacija istocnog dela


    - uglavnom lowkey operacije u republikama koje su proglasile nezavisnost 


    - Kinez kaze dzaba nas pritiskate Ameri - to sam rekao i ponovicu - sto vise budu pritiskali Kinu to ce vise najebati


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    Post by rumbeando Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:06 am

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:15 am

    Stare granice u Donbasu i Krim i nek potpisuju. Sa "demilitarizacijom" moraju da budu oprezni.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:17 am

    zelenovski moze da bira da li ce biti 

    michael collins

    ili 

    tony montana


    sto se tice demilitarizacije ona se desava svaki dan


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    Post by Guest Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:32 am

    mhm, pogotovo otkad su počeli da im šalju loitering municiju
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:56 am

    Rusija ne moze realistično očekivati da će neutralna zemlja, neposredni sused, koga su juče napali, se odreći minimum dovoljnih kapaciteta da se od sličnog napad brani. Moze se odreći bilo kakvih strateških projektila, prosto bilo čega što može sa teritorije Ukrajine da ugrozi Rusiju, to da. Da im nametnu ogranićenje recimo protivoklopnog oružja ili PVO, to malo teže da ovi mogu da potpišu.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:05 pm

    ukrajini ukidaju vojsku as we speak 

    ne da nece imati strateske kapacitete nikakve, nego nece imati nista od avijacije, pvo, mornarice


    taj voz je prosao


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    Post by Mr.Pink Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:08 pm

    btw OVA vojska je CCCP vojska 

    ako budu hteli da prave vojsku po nato standardima to ce biti slobodni da rade na zapadu ukrajine, o tudjem trosku naravno


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