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    Nektivni Ugnelj

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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:10 pm

    Cousin Billy wrote:ok momci samo pažljivo sa ovom akcijom, pliz

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    Pa ako ne polecu iz Nato zemlje u borbu...ne vidim problem. Ovo u stvari ide u paketu sa omeksavanjem stava u pregovorima. Inace deluje kao moljenje za mir.
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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:15 pm

    Mislim da niko nije verovao da će poletati iz NATO zemlje u borbu, naravno da će prvo doći u Ukrajinu ali ovo je ipak sasvim drugi kalibar od javelina. 

    Nisam te najbolje razumeo kako ovo ide u paketu sa omekšavanjem stava
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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:21 pm

    Dakle Poljska pokloni Americi migove, oni ih prime u Ramštajnu, i šta onda...? Poklone avione privatnoj kompaniji potpuno nevezanoj za američke vojne interese, koja onda otera migove za Ukrajinu? Ili jednostavno dođu Ukrajinci i odvezu ih?
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    Post by паће Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:28 pm

    Е, логистико, зајебана науко... Ма, наћи ће се већ неки начин.
    А мора да уз то иду и пилоти... приватни добровољци, наравно, не званични плаћеници било које чланице Натоа, него оно, приватници мајстори који умеју то да терају.


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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:45 pm

    Putin potpisao ukaz o zabrani izvoza sirovina. Ostaje da se vidi šta tačno zabranjuju, to će biti objavljeno u roku od jednog dana. 

    Ovo je dosta važna vest.

    https://ria.ru/20220308/putin-1777185533.html
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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:49 pm

    Ko čeka isporuku plaćenog automobila, dočeka.
    Ili vrate pare.
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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:50 pm

    Svjetska fudbalska asocijacija FIFA odlučila je na koji će način biti odigran play-off turnir za SP u grupi u kojoj je bila Rusija.
    Na službenoj stranici FIFA-e, naime, objavljena je vijest kako će reprezentacije Poljske direktno ući u finale baraža za Svjetsko prvenstvo, te da je Rusija definitvno isključena iz takmičenja.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:50 pm

    Cousin Billy wrote:Mislim da niko nije verovao da će poletati iz NATO zemlje u borbu, naravno da će prvo doći u Ukrajinu ali ovo je ipak sasvim drugi kalibar od javelina. 

    Nisam te najbolje razumeo kako ovo ide u paketu sa omekšavanjem stava

    Na zalost to tako ide. S jedne strane umeksava stav i cini dogovor teoretski mogucim, s druge strane poskupljuje za drugu stranu nastavak rata. Ako moze. Nista nelogicno.
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    Post by Guest Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:53 pm

    Dva dana za preciziranje odluke o zabrani izvoza. A ta dva dana će, pretpostavljam, biti vrlo zabavna na tržištu.


    MOSCOW. March 8 (Interfax) - Russian President Vladimir Putin has signed a decree introducing special economic measures in foreign trade for ensuring Russia's security.
    The decree introduces certain special economic measures to be in effect until December 31, 2022.
    These include "a ban on exports outside of the Russian Federation's territory and (or) imports to the Russian Federation's territory of products and (or) raw materials according to lists determined by the Russian government."
    The decree also restricts "exports outside of the Russian Federation's territory and (or) imports to the Russian Federation's territory of products and (or) raw materials according to lists determined by the Russian government."
    The decree stipulates that "the measures envisioned by Clause 1 of the decree shall not be applied to products and (or) raw materials exported outside of the Russian Federation's territory and (or) imported to the Russian Federation's territory by citizens of the Russian Federation, foreign citizens, and persons without citizenship for personal use."
    The Russian government has been authorized to determine the specifics of employing the measures provided for by Clause 1 of the decree with regard to certain types of products and (or) raw materials, as well as with regard to certain legal entities and (or) individuals.
    The government has also been given two days to compile lists of foreign states subject to the measures envisioned by Clause 1 of the decree.
    The decree takes effect from the day of its official publication.
    The document complements the measures stipulated by the February 28 decree on applying special economic measures in the wake of unfriendly actions going against international law by the United States and foreign countries and international organizations that have joined it and the March 1 decree on additional provisional economic measures to ensure the Russian Federation's financial stability.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:04 pm

    Evo sta rade divljaci

    Upozorenje: drugi video je eksplicitan




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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:07 pm

    Kako piše novinar Barak Ravid, stacioniran u Tel Avivu i obično dobro upućen u zbivanja u izraelskom državnom vrhu, Izrael gaji dobre odnose i s Ukrajinom i s Rusijom, zbog čega i jest u poziciji da bude kvalitetan posrednik. Tamošnji dužnosnici izravno upoznati s pregovorima kažu da su u posljednja 24 sata vidjeli 'omekšavanje' pozicija i Moskve i Kijeva: Rusi pritom kažu da sada zahtijevaju samo 'demilitarizaciju' Donbasa, a ne više cijele Ukrajine, dok je predsjednik Volodimir Zelenski u razgovoru za američki ABC News izjavio da se 'ohladio' od ideje za učlanjenjem Ukrajine u NATO.


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:12 pm

    UŽIVO Vučić na TV B92: Očekujem nastavak ruske ofanzive, snažnije nego pre tri dana


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:13 pm

    Pa ako dobije proces uclanjenja u EU, sta ce im Nato. Bezbednosno nije bas isto, ali ekonomski je mnogo bolje. A bezbednosno...ne verujem da ce se Moskva ponovo odluciti na ovako nesto uskoro kad ovo bude gotovo.
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:14 pm

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    President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the application of special economic measures in the field of foreign economic activity.
    The Russian leader ordered to determine in two days the lists of states where the export of certain products and raw materials will be prohibited.
    In addition, he instructed until December 31 to ensure a ban on the export of products and raw materials from Russia, the list of which will be determined by the government.
    https://en.vestikavkaza.ru/news/Putin-restricts-export-of-certain-products-and-raw-materials.html
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    Post by rumbeando Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:22 pm

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    Post by Del Cap Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:42 pm

    https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1501178540900982790
    Samuel Ramani @SamRamani2

    I completed my doctoral thesis at Oxford last year on Russia's military interventions in Ukraine and Syria.

    Based on that research, I am sharing some thoughts on why Russia invaded Ukraine and what Putin might do next /1

    Russian military interventions are often explained by geopolitical opportunism or regime insecurity

    It is intriguing that Russia would invade Ukraine when its great power status was rising and there was no immediate threat to Putin's regime /2

    Geopolitical opportunism has been chronically overplayed. Russia's annexation of Crimea and Black Sea foothold was not rationally worth the cost of Western sanctions.

    Even in Syria, Russia embarked on a potentially high-risk, uncertain reward mission that ended up succeeding /3

    Regime insecurity has also been exaggerated as a driver of Russian aggression.

    The 2011-12 protests might have influenced Russian alarmism about Euro-Maidan and the Arab Spring, but there was no serious threat of unrest diffusing from Kyiv and Cairo to Moscow /4

    Putin has instead used military interventions as a tool of legacy-building and identity construction. He is focused on the long-term legitimacy of his regime and Russia's political system

    Hence, he is willing to take excessive short-term risks and incur geopolitical costs /5

    Putin's legacy hinges on satisfying domestic great power status aspirations


    This means having a sphere of influence, effectively challenging the US-led legal order, and having a superpower-style global reach

    The image of greatness matters even if Russia is actually isolated /6


    Putin has also deftly framed his military interventions as a triumph against long-standing perceived internal threats

    Fascism, uncontrolled unrest, Western expansionism, Islamic extremism- these narratives date back to Hungary 1956, and endured through the Soviet collapse /7

    Putin has also effectively rationalized the costs of military interventions to the Russian people

    Highlighting Russia's capacity for self-sacrifice as a contrast to perceived Western decadence is crucial. Hence the continuous World War II Great Patriotic War references /8

    The war in Ukraine allows Putin to showcase Moscow's control over its sphere of influence, willingness to combat socially accepted threats and feeds into popular conceptions of "Russian strength"

    It is an identity construction and authoritarian consolidation project /9

    There are two differences between Russia's current and past actions:

    The first is the extent of Russia's willingness to take risks in support of these goals

    The second is Putin's reading of public opinion- he is appealing to a core base rather than the public writ large /10


    Putin's conduct suggests that he will continue the war in Ukraine until he achieves a success that he frame as a legacy or identity construction win


    Given his framing of the war, that likely means he will continue pursuing regime change, but not necessarily an occupation /11

    Given this calculus, sanctions are unlikely to deter Putin, and diplomacy is unlikely to change his mind

    Only an intra-elite schism, which poses an immediate threat to his regime, might cause him to recalibrate, and even then, most likely only temporarily /12
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    Post by Del Cap Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:05 pm

    Pršti na sve strane

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    Post by Ferenc Puskás Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:07 pm

    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Kako piše novinar Barak Ravid, stacioniran u Tel Avivu i obično dobro upućen u zbivanja u izraelskom državnom vrhu, Izrael gaji dobre odnose i s Ukrajinom i s Rusijom, zbog čega i jest u poziciji da bude kvalitetan posrednik. Tamošnji dužnosnici izravno upoznati s pregovorima kažu da su u posljednja 24 sata vidjeli 'omekšavanje' pozicija i Moskve i Kijeva: Rusi pritom kažu da sada zahtijevaju samo 'demilitarizaciju' Donbasa, a ne više cijele Ukrajine, dok je predsjednik Volodimir Zelenski u razgovoru za američki ABC News izjavio da se 'ohladio' od ideje za učlanjenjem Ukrajine u NATO.
    Ovo je predobro, da bi bilo istinito.

    Vezano za migove, ako bi zbilja bilo realno moguće dovući avione, pa njima izvoditi akcije, to bi za mene bilo ogromno iznenađenje. Ako bi te akcije još i imale realan efekat u smislu borbenog učinka, za mene bi to bio holivudski akcioni. Ali šta ja znam, možda je stvarno moguće. Mada sumnjam.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:11 pm

    To rusko je kontrapretnja za naftu
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:14 pm

    Ferenc Puskás wrote:
    fikret selimbašić wrote:
    Ovo je predobro, da bi bilo istinito.

    Vezano za migove, ako bi zbilja bilo realno moguće dovući avione, pa njima izvoditi akcije, to bi za mene bilo ogromno iznenađenje. Ako bi te akcije još i imale realan efekat u smislu borbenog učinka, za mene bi to bio holivudski akcioni. Ali šta ja znam, možda je stvarno moguće. Mada sumnjam.

    Pa moguce ih je dovuci, s tim sto kad udju vazdusni prostor UKR...legitimna meta
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    Post by Mr.Pink Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:14 pm

    Cim zvuci dobro ide ofanziva


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:16 pm

    Del Cap wrote:Pršti na sve strane


    Ovo apropo onoga kako ce firme da dolaze kod nas jer odatle mogu i levo i desno...

    Generalno bi ljudi koji pricaju kako "neće brate oni to, to i njima treba" mogli da se osveste kad znamo koliko je 1 rusija trziste i kako ga napustaju za dan.


    Btw, ode i Pepsi
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