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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:26 am

    pa nisu rusi posebni 

    niko nikada nije napravio nista vazdusnim desantima


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:31 am

    Eben Emael.


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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:34 am

    a dobro izbavili su i musolinija ali to su relativno male operacije

    svaka veca akcija je bila pusangija


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    Post by Erős Pista Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:44 am


    The thing that makes this most different — and it was one of the reasons a lot of Russia analysts didn’t think they were serious about invading — is that there was very little effort on the part of the Russian regime to prepare the population for war.

    If anything, it was the opposite. The government very casually and belatedly cooked up the pretext of defending the people of Eastern Ukraine from genocide, which is obviously nonsense. This is different. During the Russian invasion of Georgia, it made a very clear effort to justify it in the exact language that the West had used in its own previous interventions — certainly in Kosovo. There was a sense that the Russo-Georgian war, in terms of its legitimation, was very much an ideological, geopolitical retaliation: we will do something in the same terms that you do and see how you like it.

    The invasion of Crimea was, again, a slightly different model: we will reincorporate this piece of historical Russia that has been arbitrarily severed from us and reinstate Russia’s national glory. That kind of move was actually very popular in Russia. It had strong support, and it seemed to validate a kind of nationalist worldview, but again, the government made an effort to justify it in terms of international law doctrines.

    With this war, it didn’t really bother. That’s a break. All of us are scrambling to reread this. I think there are two ways of thinking about this intervention: one is that all of this stuff about restoring the great Russian nation, all of this unwillingness to recognize the existence of Ukraine, shows how deeply committed Putin is to the project of nationalism. He will use whatever motivations work in the given moment, but this is his driving ideological goal.

    A lot of us overlooked that. A lot of us thought, “This regime is so cynical, it doesn’t believe in anything; it’s just tactically improvising.” Now, a lot of analysts on the Left are thinking, “We got this wrong.” This regime is deeply, irrationally committed to this goal. And it will do things that are self-destructive in pursuit of that goal. That’s one available reading of what this war means.

    The other reading is that it’s still as cynical as we thought it was. It’s using whatever pretext it can find. This time, it’s just lazier than usual. It didn’t even bother. It feels that it can do what it wants, but it’s still doing a series of tactical improvisations. It doesn’t have a big idea.

    It’s too early to tell which of those two things it is. I’m reassessing my views. I’m looking at the situation again and thinking, “Okay, what did I get wrong? How can we look at this again?” That’s the only honest thing to do. But it’s still maybe too early to tell which of those interpretations would turn out to be correct, or if there’s a third or fourth interpretation.

    https://jacobinmag.com/2022/03/russia-ukraine-putin-nato-us-war-empire


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    Post by паће Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:04 am

    Filipenko wrote:on prvi zna kakva je to olos,

    Оверено, ово је прави Пенко, нису нам подметнули лажњак.


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    Post by kondo Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:27 am



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    Post by Del Cap Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:33 am



    Kod tog Voznjesenska ima most preko Južnog Buga, vazduhoplovna baza, a 20km severno uz JBug (zamalo pa da se vidi na mapi) je nuklearna centrala Južnoukrajinsk. Zbog konteksta, ovako kad se gleda čovek da se pita šta će tamo.
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    Post by Del Cap Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:05 pm

    Zarobljen pilot aviona oborenog kod Černigova

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    Post by Del Cap Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:11 pm

    “I think it’s going to get worse,” said Kadri Liik, a policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations. “For Putin, the incentive is to escalate. He has gone all in. I cannot see him modifying his war because that would be a loss in his eyes.” Any chance to come to an agreement with western powers had probably passed, she said.

    “And I think it’ll be pretty full-blown dictatorship at home. You can see it coming.”

    For now, all the public data suggests Putin enjoys popular support for the war – in which the major cities of Kharkiv, Kyiv and Mariupol have been shelled.

    Employees of several Russian pollsters have said that they are concerned that the robust numbers in support of the war could embolden the Kremlin and prolong the conflict.

    “Maybe some people can open their eyes and see that it is Putin who is responsible for the situation and his ambitions are not the ambitions of the whole nation and the war was in vain, the war was unjust,” said Kolesnikov. “But that’s only a hypothesis because for now, most of the people support this operation.”

    Putin has put his top advisers on television to imitate a public discussion about a war that has been a surprise for many Russians. Beyond selling the war to the public, the televised show also tied many of those officials closer to Putin, making it harder for them to later denounce the war or act as if they had not lobbied for it.

    “You can’t discuss the situation in rational terms,” said Kolesnikov. “All these people at the very top are in one boat, one submarine with Putin and they don’t have an exit from it right now.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/04/russia-appears-to-have-no-way-out-as-putin-goes-all-in-ukraine
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    Post by rumbeando Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:23 pm

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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:27 pm

    kako je ovaj lik pilot 

    lici na kamionzdiju


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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:30 pm

    drugi pilot mrtav


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:46 pm

    Mr.Pink wrote:kako je ovaj lik pilot 

    lici na kamionzdiju

    Ma da, a i avion je vjerovatno od onih koji služe za vučenje meta.


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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:49 pm

    imam izgleda neobične predrasude o avijaciji. zaista sam mislio da moraju da budu fit da bi ih pustili da lete.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:51 pm

    The SBU allegedly killed a member of the Ukrainian delegation at the talks with the Russian Federation during the arrest
    A photo: Maxim Kimerling © URA.RU
    Negotiator from the Ukrainian side Denis Kireev was killed by the Security Service of Ukraine. Writes about it RIA Novosti telegram channel.

    “The deputy of the Rada said that the SBU allegedly killed Kireev, a member of the first delegation of Ukraine at the negotiations with Russia, during the arrest. There is no official confirmation, ”the news agency reports.


    edit: ne kazem da je istina, ima slika nekog ubijenog coveka, da ne kacim sad.


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    Post by паће Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:51 pm

    Данашњи авиони ипак могу да понесу које кило више. Нису то џокеји, то су само камионџије са бољим јакнама.


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    Post by rumbeando Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:53 pm

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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:54 pm

    ne znam zasta sluzi avion sa slike, sada vrv slabo cemu

    neki su30 

    znaci danas air kampanja na twitteru jer no fly nista, pa da pokaze ukrajina sta sve moze


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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:58 pm

    mada ovo ne deluje kao obaranje, ko da je pao u kovit

    mozda nisu racunali na debelog pilota od 200 kg + rakete i eto ti nesrece


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    Post by Notxor Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:00 pm



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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:06 pm

    Mr.Pink wrote:ne znam zasta sluzi avion sa slike, sada vrv slabo cemu

    neki su30 

    znaci danas air kampanja na twitteru jer no fly nista, pa da pokaze ukrajina sta sve moze

    +1000

    Kažu neki na mycity military forumu da su ukrajinci svjetski masteri cgi-ja i da su jučerašnja i današnja obaranja uglavnom fejk. I ne samo obaranja aviona već i većina snimaka uništene ruske tehnike su jako upitna azbog cgi manipulacija.


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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:08 pm

    pa ovo nije obaranje jbg


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    Post by fikret selimbašić Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:09 pm

    Mr.Pink wrote:pa ovo nije obaranje jbg

    Slažem se, stavih ti tisuću pluseva za analizu.


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    Post by Guest Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:10 pm

    u Ukrajini se razvijaju vrhunske AAA igre - Metro i S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
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    Post by Mr.Pink Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:17 pm

    bedno izgledaju sad oni migovi 29 koje je srbija dobila kad pogledas sta su rusi ostavili po tim poljanama, dodje mi da organizujem jednu buvljak turu u ukrajini 


    meni bi do sada pola generalstaba bilo u sibiru 

    potpuno nerealno gube tehniku. ovo da ga okine strelom nekom mi je sasvim ok i prihvatljivo, ali da ostavis jebiga skupu buro na ulici zbog neodrzavanja 

    za to 0 tolerancija

    ajde bmp i tenk, ali brt sukhoi i pantsir...pa otplacivali bi mi oficiri i njihova unuci to


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