Rat u Ukrajini

Mór Thököly wrote:To je to. Vezimo pojaseve.

Летећи Полип wrote:Izvinjavam se ako cu delovati glupo ali... Sta konkretno sprecava Amere i EU da posalju nekoliko hiljada prasinara u Ukrajinu - i time svojim prisustvom povuku crtu Putku?

Летећи Полип wrote:Izvinjavam se ako cu delovati glupo ali... Sta konkretno sprecava Amere i EU da posalju nekoliko hiljada prasinara u Ukrajinu - i time svojim prisustvom povuku crtu Putku?

Cousin Billy wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:To je to. Vezimo pojaseve.

Vežimo svakako ali Rusija nije zatvorila nebo, NOTAMi su od juče i samo za određene visine.

Mór Thököly wrote:
To sto kad pogine 100 americkih vojnika...sta tacno da rade?

Јанош Винету wrote:

Летећи Полип wrote:Izvinjavam se ako cu delovati glupo ali... Sta konkretno sprecava Amere i EU da posalju nekoliko hiljada prasinara u Ukrajinu - i time svojim prisustvom povuku crtu Putku?

 Немају мандат Уједињених Нација, то би били војници под командом Украјине, и као такви били би учесници у ратним дејствима тј. кобелигеранти Украјине.   
Руса има 150000 војника, США и УК могу да довуку 7000 из балтичких земаља, то не решава проблем. 
И њих би самлели заједно са Украјинцима.
Само би их заробили или бомбардовали а ништа тиме не би постигли.

Јанош Винету wrote:
 Немају мандат Уједињених Нација, то би били војници под командом Украјине, и као такви били би учесници у ратним дејствима тј. кобелигеранти Украјине.   
Руса има 150000 војника, США и УК могу да довуку 7000 из балтичких земаља, то не решава проблем. 
И њих би самлели заједно са Украјинцима.
Само би их заробили или бомбардовали а ништа тиме не би постигли.

Летећи Полип wrote:

Јанош Винету wrote:
 Немају мандат Уједињених Нација, то би били војници под командом Украјине, и као такви били би учесници у ратним дејствима тј. кобелигеранти Украјине.   
Руса има 150000 војника, США и УК могу да довуку 7000 из балтичких земаља, то не решава проблем. 
И њих би самлели заједно са Украјинцима.
Само би их заробили или бомбардовали а ништа тиме не би постигли.

Kao sto rekoh, poenta je da Putin odustane od invazije. Oni su za ovo znali od Oktobra. Dovedes par hiljada marinaca, a ako ovi ludaci i dalje nastave da se spremaju - napravis ekspedicione snage: ceo nato da se uchipa sa vojnicima.

Zelensky speaks to the nation. The gravity of the situation looks to have really gotten to him.
"Today I initiated a phone conversation with the president of the Russian Federation. The result was silence. Although it's the Donbas where there should be silence."
He addresses Russians in Russian.
"We are divided by a shared border of more than 2,000km. Almost 200,000 of your troops and thousands of military vehicles are standing alongside it. Your leadership has ordered them to move forward, onto another country's territory." 
"This step could be the start of a big war on the European continent. The whole world is talking about what could happen any day now," says Zelensky. "Any provocation. Any flare-up – one that could burn everything." 
"They're telling you that this flame will liberate the people of Ukraine, but the Ukrainian people are free. They remember their past and are building their future," Zelensky says. "Ukraine on your TV news and the real Ukraine are two totally different countries. Ours is real." 
Zelensky talks about all the times he spent as an entertainer in the Donbas and how many friends he has with family from there.
"They told you I'm ordering an attack on Donbas, to open fire and bomb indiscriminately [...] to shoot at whom? to bomb whom?" 
Zelensky remembers a lot of specific places in Donetsk and Luhansk oblast he's been. "I'm speaking Russian, but nobody in Russia understand what these places, streets, and events are. This is our land and our history. What are you fighting for? And with who?" 
"Lots of you have relatives in Ukraine, you studied in Ukrainian universities, you have Ukrainian friends. You know our character, our principles, what matters to us. Listen to yourselves, to the voice of reason. The people of Ukraine want peace." 
"The government of Ukraine wants peace. It's doing everything it can. We're not alone. That's true, lots of countries support Ukraine. Because this isn't about peace at any price. It's about peace, principles, justice, international law, the right to determine your own future." 
"This is about society's right to be safe and people's rights to live without threats. This is all important for us and for the world. I know for sure that this is important for you too." 
"We know for sure that we don't need war – neither cold, nor hot, nor hybrid. But if troops attack us and someone tries to take away our country, our freedom, our lives, the lives of our children, then we will defend ourselves." 
"We will defend ourselves. When you attack, you will see our faces, not our backs. War is a great misfortune and it comes at a great price. People lose their money, reputation, freedom, living standards, and most importantly – they lose their loved ones nad themselves." 
"Nothing's ever enough in a war, but there's more than enough pain, dirt, and death. Tens of thousands of deaths. They're telling you that Ukraine could be a threat for Russia. That never happened in the past, it's not not and won't in the future." 
"You demand security guarantees from Nato. We demand guarantees of our security. The security of Ukraine. From you, Russia, and the other guarantors of the Budapest memorandum. We aren't in any defensive alliances. Ukraine's security is tied to our neighbors' security." 
"Today we need to talk about the security of the whole of Europe. But our main goal is peace in Ukraine and the security of our citizens, Ukrainians. We will tell everyone, including you, in different formats, in any venue." 
"War will take guarantees away from everyone. Nobody will have security guarantees anymore. Who will suffer most of all? People. Who doesn't want that to happen more than anyone? People. Who can stop that? People." 
"These people are among you. I'm sure. Activists, journalists, musicians, actors, athletes, scientists, doctors, bloggers, stand-up comedians, TikTokers, and many others. Ordinary people, simple people, men, women, the old, the young, fathers, and most of all - mothers." 
"Just like the people in Ukraine. Just like the government in Ukraine. However they try to convince you otherwise. I know that Russian TV won't show my speech. But citizens of Russia need to see it. They need to see the truth. The truth is you need to stop before it's too late." 
"And if the leadership of Russia doesn't want, for the sake of peace, to sit at the table with us, maybe it'll sit at the table with you. Do the Russians want war? I'd love to answer that question. But the answer only depends on you – citizens of Russia." 
The first two minutes of that speech were in Ukrainian. Zelensky updated the nation on the state of emergency and his contacts with Ukraine's western allies. "I thank everyone who supports Ukraine. We keep on working, he ended." 
But the next nine minutes, in which Zelensky addressed Russians directly, were absolutely astonishing.
A powerful, dignified, mature, and heartfelt appeal for peace between Russians and Ukrainians that couldn't have been any more different from Putin's resentful rant. 

Erős Pista wrote:Mislim da im naprosto nije dovoljno bitno za tako nesto, narocito u svetlu novog fronta s Kinom.

Mór Thököly wrote:
to je igranje s apokalipsom.

Летећи Полип wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:
to je igranje s apokalipsom.

Pa jebi ga sad. Mora negde da se zapisa drvo. U su protnom ce im Ukrajina sutra biti na Visli.

Erős Pista wrote:Mislim da im naprosto nije dovoljno bitno za tako nesto, narocito u svetlu novog fronta s Kinom.

Mór Thököly wrote:
ne, to drvo je zapišano. uostalom, rusija prosto nema vojske da vodi ofanzivni rat protiv Natoa. To je drugi par rukava od ovoga.

rumbeando wrote:

Putin publicly humiliating Sergey Yevgenyevich Naryshkin, his own Director of the Foreign Intelligence Service, during the "discussion" about Ukraine, is all you need to know about the quality of decision-making in today's Russia. pic.twitter.com/D05LLICqHq

— Stratos Safioleas (@stratosathens) February 23, 2022

Летећи Полип wrote:Izvinjavam se ako cu delovati glupo ali... Sta konkretno sprecava Amere i EU da posalju nekoliko hiljada prasinara u Ukrajinu - i time svojim prisustvom povuku crtu Putku?

Летећи Полип wrote:

Mór Thököly wrote:
ne, to drvo je zapišano. uostalom, rusija prosto nema vojske da vodi ofanzivni rat protiv Natoa. To je drugi par rukava od ovoga.

Pa jebote!   Upravo zato su trebali i da im posalju vojsku u pomoc.


Ljudi moji, oni hoce puste vagnerovce i ine psihopate na Kijev, na milionske gradove.

Mór Thököly wrote:
Pa ne, ne mogu da im posalju "pomoc", to ne vredi. Morali bi da dovedu 200k vojnika, sa sve tenkovima, avionima, protivavion., sve sve. Momenat kad bi oni to poceli da rade Rusija bi usla sa istoka pa dokle stignu dok se ne sretnu. 100%