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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:54 am


    Ed Yong
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    🚨Virus - Page 32 WAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw==I wrote about what this surge is doing to the healthcare system.
    It's bad.
    Though less severe, Omicron is spreading quickly enough to inundate hospitals, which can't handle the strain cos so many healthcare workers had quit or are now sick. 1/

    The most important thing about this surge: It comes *after all the others*, & finds a workforce that’s exhausted, demoralized, & smaller because of waves of resignations.
    Today’s system can’t handle what it used to handle. It must now handle a LOT. 2/

    COVID hospitalizations rose 40k to 65k in the 7 weeks before Christmas, and then to 110k in the 2 wks since.
    The CDC is forecasting 25-54k extra patients *per day* by end-Jan.
    That's... not good. 3/

    Are these people with other problems who incidentally have Covid? Every doc/nurse I asked said no.
    Vast majority have respiratory problems, or chronic illness that Covid tipped over the edge.
    They're hospitalized by Covid, not simply with Covid. 4/

    Omicron's less severe, so the average COVID patient in 2022 will be less sick than the one in 2021.
    BUT tho the *percentage* of very sick people is lower, the *absolute number* is still high because the variant is spreading so quickly. 5/

    So here's the bind: Omicron is less severe for individuals, but it’s disastrous for the health-care system that those individuals need. Once again, personal risk and collective risk are at odds, and the former is masking the latter. 6/

    (Caveat: Many of the healthcare workers I talked to are seeing signs of Omicron's reduced severity in practice, which is great. But some aren't, which may be because a LOT of ppl are still unvaccinated & there's still a lot of Delta. Remember Delta? theatlantic.com/health/archive… 7/)

    Some people argue that other countries got off lightly with Omicron. But compared to the US, those either have younger populations (SAfrica) or more vax/boosters (UK/Denmark). The same decoupling of cases/hosp’ns isn't guaranteed here. 8/

    Hospital short-staffing was bad before Covid, and got worse as droves of people quit. It’s unbearable now cos unprecedented numbers of HCWs are out of play with breakthrough infections. Even places with fewer patients than last year feel fuller. 9/

    To be clear, this isn’t just about Covid. Medical care is straining. People are sitting in emergency rooms for 6-12 hours waiting to be seen. Docs are discharging people who should be admitted cos there’s nowhere to put them. 10/

    The whole system is straining.
    ▶Virus - Page 32 WAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw==Pharmacists are sick -> people can’t get tests/meds -> they go to hospital sicker.
    ▶Virus - Page 32 WAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw==Lab technicians are sick -> test results are delayed
    ▶Virus - Page 32 WAAACH5BAEKAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAICRAEAOw==Longterm care facilities are hammered -> many patients can’t be discharged 11/

    Morale is failing. Healthcare workers see the reality of the pandemic daily. Then everywhere else, they see people living the fantasy that it’s over. The rest of the country is hell-bent on returning to normal, but their choices mean that HCWs cannot. 12/

    This is what it looks like when a healthcare system collapses. It’s not a dramatic, movie-style thing. First, it’s just *a lot of waiting*. Things take longer, then they don’t happen. Care gets gradually worse. More staff leave. This is happening now. 13/

    Many proposed solutions—troops! antivirals!—are insufficient, and can’t be deployed at scale or in time. Unbelievably, it’s 2022, and the fate of the healthcare system once again depends on flattening the curve, in days not weeks. 14/

    And even then, when hospitalizations fall, it won't be over because, frankly, many healthcare workers have just had enough. More and more are talking about leaving—maybe not now, but perhaps once the adrenaline and need start to fade. 15/

    And again, this is no longer just about Covid. It's now about our ability to get the standard of medical care that we've come to expect for *anything*. If you're impervious to harm or disease, or can regenerate, you can sit this one out. Otherwise... Fin/

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    Post by rumbeando Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:12 pm

    ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece’s government on Friday issued a civil mobilization order that will oblige some doctors in the private sector to support the state health service during a surge in COVID-19 infections driven by the omicron variant.

    The emergency order will take effect next Wednesday, affecting doctors specialized in pathology, pulmonology and anesthesiology in four regions in northern Greece where state hospitals are suffering acute staffing shortages.


    https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-europe-greece-f08c0a3581d98f73d61ec8bea89e1679
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    Post by boomer crook Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:17 pm

    stanarka moje mame koja je inace tehnicar na karaburmi kaze da imaju 18 med. tehnicara izvan stroja. bez tezih simptoma ali izvan stroja.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:59 pm

    rumbeando wrote:
    ATHENS, Greece (AP) — Greece’s government on Friday issued a civil mobilization order that will oblige some doctors in the private sector to support the state health service during a surge in COVID-19 infections driven by the omicron variant.

    The emergency order will take effect next Wednesday, affecting doctors specialized in pathology, pulmonology and anesthesiology in four regions in northern Greece where state hospitals are suffering acute staffing shortages.


    https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-europe-greece-f08c0a3581d98f73d61ec8bea89e1679

    Neee, to je socijalizam! To ovi ovde nikad nece uraditi, da pozovu privatnog doktora da zameni drzavnog.











    Jer je to isti čovek.
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    Post by MNE Sat Jan 08, 2022 4:40 pm

    "Kada jednog dana zbog svoje gluposti zaglavite u bolnici, a to će se desiti, lečićemo vas po svim protokolima ali ne očekujte ni zrnce empatije jer to nećete dobiti. Bićemo poslovično uljudni ali znajte da iza toga preziremo svaku vijugu vašeg štetočinskog mozga."

    super, sad to neka objavi i za ove što se alkoholišu, drogiraju, puše cigare, prejedaju se, ne treniraju, loše spavaju jer gledaju NetFlix do kasno u noć itd.
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    Post by bela maca Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:05 pm

    Z A R A Z N A B O L E S T

    ponavljaj to dok ti ne dođe iz dupeta u glavu


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    Post by Guest Sat Jan 08, 2022 5:26 pm

    sve su bolesti zarazne
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    Post by MNE Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:17 pm

    bela maca wrote:Z A R A Z N A  B O L E S T

    ponavljaj to dok ti ne dođe iz dupeta u glavu
    pa? štite li vakcine od zaražavanja?
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    Post by bela maca Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:22 pm

    štite od odlaska u bolnicu?


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    Post by kondo Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:40 pm

    MNE wrote:"Kada jednog dana zbog svoje gluposti zaglavite u bolnici, a to će se desiti, lečićemo vas po svim protokolima ali ne očekujte ni zrnce empatije jer to nećete dobiti. Bićemo poslovično uljudni ali znajte da iza toga preziremo svaku vijugu vašeg štetočinskog mozga."

    Jel ovo onaj gastos doktor iz Slovenije?


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    Post by Guest Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:44 pm

    onaj kog sam blokovao na tviteru, neki seronja
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    Post by MNE Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:58 pm

    bela maca wrote:štite od odlaska u bolnicu?
    kao i sve ove druge stvari koje sam nabrojao(dakle i od težih oblika korone ne samo od bolesti koje primarno uzrokuju)
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    Post by Sotir Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:23 pm

    У Израелу око 14 хиљада случајева дневно, изгледа да још расте.
    Преминули се још не виде.

    У Емиратима личи да су стигли до пика талада на свега 2600, што су одличне вести ако се настави тренд.
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    Post by MNE Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:54 pm

    mi smo već deset dana na preko 30% poz ali ne prelazimo 40, mada vidjećemo sad nakon Božića, imamo još nedjelju na peaku rekao bih
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    Post by Bleeding Blitva Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:02 pm

    Panika da neće imat ko radit

    Grčka je još prije tjedan dana prepolovila trajanje izolacije s deset na pet dana, učinivši isto što je prethodno preporučio američki CDC. Osobe pozitivne na covid u Grčkoj sada mogu nakon pet dana izaći iz izolacije ako nemaju simptoma ili su im simptomi blagi, a još narednih pet dana moraju nositi masku s visokom razinom zaštite.
    Trajanje izolacije za potpuno cijepljene osobe koje su pozitivne na koronavirus skratila je i Francuska, sa deset na sedam dana. Izolacija se može prekinuti i negativnim testom petog dana. Za necijepljene – u skladu s općenitom praksom francuskih vlasti – pravila su i dalje stroža, deset dana izolacije, s mogućnošću ranijeg izlaska uz negativan test sedmog dana.
    U Portugalu je karantena za asimptomatske slučajeve skraćena sa deset na sedam dana. U Irskoj također, ako je osoba dobila dodatnu dozu cjepiva ili je u prethodna tri mjeseca preboljela covid. U Engleskoj se samoizolacija može prekinuti ranije uz negativan test. Italija je, pak, ukinula samoizolaciju u slučaju bliskog kontakta s pozitivnom osobom za one koji su dobili booster dozu, nedavno su se oporavili od covida ili su nedavno cijepljeni.
    Ublažena pravila o samoizolaciji počet će se od 10. siječnja primjenjivati i u Belgiji – oni koji su primili booster dozu ili im je od primarnog cijepljenja prošlo manje od pet mjeseci ne moraju više u karantenu nakon bliskog kontakta s pozitivnom osobom. Njemačke vlasti su također relaksirale pravila u određenim slučajevima, pa će izolacija ubuduće trajati kraće, a oni koji su primili treću dozu cjepiva ne moraju više u karantenu nakon bliskog kontakta sa zaraženom osobom.
    Ali uglavnom za cijepljene je skraćeno.


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    Post by Notxor Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:15 pm

    Crna Gora:
    Vrijeme izolacije za osobe kod kojih je potvrđena infekcija korona virusom skraćuje se sa 10 na sedam dana, osim za osobe koja se liječe u bolnicama ili su imunokompromitovani, saopštio je Institut za javno zdravlje (IJZ).


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:35 pm

    Jedan čovek preminuo je danas u Knez Danilovoj ulici na Paliluli, kod broja 12, ispred kovid ambulante.

    Kako se saznaje, ekipa Hitne pomoći pokušala je reanimaciju.

    Nažalost, čovek nije preživeo.
    blic.rs/vesti/drustvo/drama-ispred-kovid-ambulante-u-beogradu-preminuo-covek-hitna-pomoc-pokusala/r5j3ngf
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:20 pm

    Jbt...
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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:24 pm

    velike su gužve ispred ambulanti
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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jan 09, 2022 5:37 pm

    boomer crook wrote:stanarka moje mame koja je inace tehnicar na karaburmi kaze da imaju 18 med. tehnicara izvan stroja. bez tezih simptoma ali izvan stroja.

    hospitalizovana jutros. pocetak zapaljenja pluca.


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    Post by Sotir Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:30 pm

    Данас 8949 од 26133

    Проценат 34,5 - и стално у благом расту. 

    Мало је незахвално рећи после кратког периода, али могуће да смо достигли врхунац прегледаних, и да број заражених више не може да расте јер не могу да се прегледају сви.
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    Post by Erős Pista Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:31 pm

    To nije samo moguce, nego izvesno.


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    Post by Guest Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm

    Po mojim saznanjima, nama je limit detekcije 25-30.000 sada, prošle zime je bio oko 20-22.000. A izgleda da se zakucalo na 27.000.
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    Post by kapetanm Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:35 pm

    Moje neko drustvo, velika grupa isli na skijanje. Cela ekipa zarazena plus sve koje su sreli na Kopaoniku pitali i pozitivni.
    A tako lepe slike na instagramu kače..

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