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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:46 pm

    Nema garancija da na primer za dva meseca nece ponovo dovuci milion iz Kine ili u naredna dva meseca npr pola miliona iz Rusije, isto kao sto nema garancija ni da hoce. Jako je tesko prognozirati. Da cemo, na primer, na leto biti medju boljima to i ja sumnjam, ali ne bih smeo da se kladim u neke velike pare.
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    Post by boomer crook Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:47 pm

    dogodine je dogodine a revakcina je revakcina. s obzirom da je sinofarm sada krknuo pola miliona doza pakistanu i da im je obecao jos sinofarma moze da bude tu selameta ali videcemo.


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    Post by MNE Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:10 am

    rumbeando wrote:Poznati autor BBC-jevih medicinskih dokumentaraca dr Majkl Mozli o načinima na koje možete učiniti vakcinu efikasnijom:
     
    How to turbo charge your Covid jab: DR MICHAEL MOSLEY reveals the simple steps that could make it more effective
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    In the meantime, what, if anything, can you do to ensure you get the best protection from the Covid jab when you get it?
    Because the vaccines are brand new, we don’t yet know for sure if any lifestyle changes can boost their effectiveness, but based on studies on flu vaccines, here are some strategies you could try:
    1 If you’re overweight or obese, try to lose a few inches. A study published in the International Journal of Obesity in 2017 found that obese adults who had a flu jab were twice as likely to get the flu than people with a healthy BMI (body mass index).
    Carrying too much weight, particularly around the waist, makes your immune system less effective. (It’s worth stressing that Covid vaccine trials have shown that obese people gained a high degree of protection.)
    2 Boost your intake of prebiotics and probiotics. Prebiotics are foods rich in fibre that feed the ‘good’ bacteria in your gut — they include kidney beans, lentils, garlic, onions and many vegetables.
    Probiotics are living bacteria found mainly in fermented foods such as sauerkraut, kimchi and natural yoghurt.
    A review of studies published in the journal Nutrients in 2017 found that consuming prebiotics and probiotics before being vaccinated nearly doubled the number of people who subsequently developed protective levels of antibodies.
    For simple recipes to boost your good bacteria, check out instagram.com/drclarebailey.
    3 Get a good night’s sleep. In a study last year from the University of California, researchers found that healthy volunteers who had the least sleep the night before having a flu jab produced the lowest level of antibodies to the flu in the months afterwards.
    This is because as you sleep, your body produces many important components of your immune system, such as antibodies and killer T cells.
    4 Exercise your arms. A study from the University of Birmingham a few years ago showed that people who did this a few hours before a flu jab developed a stronger immune response. It’s not clear why, but I’ll certainly be doing some press-ups and other arm workouts before my jab.
    5 Stop smoking. A number of studies suggest that smoking can really reduce the effectiveness of vaccines – probably because of its effect on the immune system.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9177439/DR-MICHAEL-MOSLEY-reveals-simple-steps-make-effective.html

    sve ovo isto važi za poboljšanje imuniteta protiv korone i ostalih bolesti
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    Post by kondo Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:25 am

    boomer crook wrote:dogodine je dogodine a revakcina je revakcina. s obzirom da je sinofarm sada krknuo pola miliona doza pakistanu i da im je obecao jos sinofarma moze da bude tu selameta ali videcemo.

    pakistan je skoro pa kao pola EU po broju stanovnika.

    četvrt miliona vakcina je 0.001 potreba pakistana ako žele sve da vakcinišu.

    to se ne pokriva snabdevanjem iz uvoza.


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    Post by rumbeando Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:23 am

    Johnson & Johnson has sufficient data from its late-stage Covid-19 vaccine trial to begin analysis soon, Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease doctor, said Thursday.
    Fauci said in remarks at the White House that the company would have enough data on its vaccine to begin analysis in as soon as a week or two.
    J&J had previously said it would have a first chance to review data from its late-stage trial of 45,000 volunteers in the last week of January or the first week of February, consistent with Fauci’s timeline.
    From there, J&J would need one to two weeks to analyze the data and prepare documents for regulators in the U.S. and elsewhere seeking emergency-use authorization, if the data demonstrates the shot’s safety and efficacy, Chief Scientific Officer Paul Stoffels told Bloomberg on Jan. 12.
    Stoffels said he expects the vaccine won’t be authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration until March. Once the FDA receives J&J’s submission for emergency use, it must convene a panel of outside experts to review the data and make an independent recommendation. That process can take weeks.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-21/j-j-vaccine-trial-has-enough-data-to-analyze-soon-fauci-says?cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=politics&utm_source=twitter
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    Post by паће Sun Jan 24, 2021 7:38 am

    Шта, Фаучи уопште није инфектолог!?

    Ма и није му битно, то је лик који је зајебо Амере ко нико: натерао их да науче како се зове. Један Ел Кепоун није могао да буде Ал Капоне (осим код нас), али Фаучи је успео да не постане Фоси. Свака му дала.


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:32 am

    rumbeando wrote:
    Johnson & Johnson has sufficient data from its late-stage Covid-19 vaccine trial to begin analysis soon, Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease doctor, said Thursday.
    Fauci said in remarks at the White House that the company would have enough data on its vaccine to begin analysis in as soon as a week or two.
    J&J had previously said it would have a first chance to review data from its late-stage trial of 45,000 volunteers in the last week of January or the first week of February, consistent with Fauci’s timeline.
    From there, J&J would need one to two weeks to analyze the data and prepare documents for regulators in the U.S. and elsewhere seeking emergency-use authorization, if the data demonstrates the shot’s safety and efficacy, Chief Scientific Officer Paul Stoffels told Bloomberg on Jan. 12.
    Stoffels said he expects the vaccine won’t be authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration until March. Once the FDA receives J&J’s submission for emergency use, it must convene a panel of outside experts to review the data and make an independent recommendation. That process can take weeks.


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-21/j-j-vaccine-trial-has-enough-data-to-analyze-soon-fauci-says?cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-politics&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=politics&utm_source=twitter

    jel ta vakcina bese single shot?


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:34 am

    Marius Lăcătuș wrote:
    boomer crook wrote:dogodine je dogodine a revakcina je revakcina. s obzirom da je sinofarm sada krknuo pola miliona doza pakistanu i da im je obecao jos sinofarma moze da bude tu selameta ali videcemo.

    pakistan je skoro pa kao pola EU po broju stanovnika.

    četvrt miliona vakcina je 0.001 potreba pakistana ako žele sve da vakcinišu.

    to se ne pokriva snabdevanjem iz uvoza.

    nije ovde bio akcenat na pakistanskim potrebama vec na kineskom globalnom palmisanju. a za pakistan pola miliona style.


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    Post by kondo Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:09 pm

    sve šta sam želeo reći je da će većina zemalja ovo rešavati sopstvenom proizvodnjom na osnovu licenci, da li open source da li plaćenih. čak ćemo i mi morati tako, i zbog nas i zbog zemalja u okruženju koje nemaju kapacitet za proizvodnju a nikada neće biti prioritet većih zemalja da ih se imunizuje. izuzetno bi bilo da dobijemo rusku za proizvodnju.


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    Post by kapetanm Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:16 pm

    Alu nas virusilog br 1 pripre jos jednu spasonosnu nabavku. Ovo je uvod
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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:34 pm

    meni samo nije jasno na osnovu kojih parametara vucic tvrdi da je zdravstvo u srbiji bolje od onog u hrvatskoj ili spaniji?


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    Post by ontheotherhand Sun Jan 24, 2021 12:42 pm

    Nisu mi jasni ovi ljudi.


    Radim u crvenoj zoni od aprila meseca (već prošle godine) , nisam lekar, medicinski tehničar sam sa 10 godina kliničkog iskustva i skoro završenom Visokom strukovnom pri Univerzitetu Odbrane. Iza sebe imam i skoro godinu dana radnog iskustva u vođenju odeljenja kao odgovorna sestra.

    Ne želim da primim vakcinu. Smatram da nema potrebe. Kao i velika većina mojih kolega u crvenoj zoni. Većinom oboljevaju stariji, gojazniji, sa neregulisanim hroničnim boljkama. Ako ne overe ovaj virus, neki sledeći će biti poslednji.

    I dalje smo u reproduktivnoj fazi. Drugarica iz Emirata priča kako nije preporučljivo, oni tamo praktikuju Kinesku i da su joj rekli ako primi, da ne planira decu narednih 2god.

    Zdrastveni sistem je pukao na ostalim poljima, ljudi ne dobijaju adekvatnu terapiju na vreme, ne mogu operacije da zakažu.. A ja se večeras ubeđujem sa dedom koji hoće da pobegne iz bolnice.
    Nisam antivakser, ali ne želim da primim vakcinu. Kao što se ne vaksinišem protiv sezonskog gripa.

    U junu sam imala siguran kontakt, nakon 15tak dana blago povišen IgM, ali naši lekari su rekli da to nije ništa. I da je to nemerljivo, tj bez značaja. Pre mesec dana sam imala simptome, brzi antigenski test (bris) negativan, i ostalo je da pratim simptome i da radim normalno smene. Dala sam opet krv, čekam rezultate.
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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:01 pm

    Kako ti nisu jasni? Mada i ja sam u slicnom fazonu - ja da se vakcinisem, a vi ako ocete da zaradite tromb, srcanu manu, polufunkcionalna pluca, a da ni ne znate (pa cu vas pitati za sve to kad budete imali 50-60),samo izvolite.
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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:06 pm

    i mene je potpuno sokiralo sto lekari nece da se vakcinisu
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    Post by kondo Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:10 pm

    s obzirom da sam se bio nameračio da čekam rusku, izgleda da ću morati da promenim opciju. sa vrlo visokog mesta u MZ stigla poruka na pitanje kad stiže ruska: ne znam, trebalo bi za 7 dana.
    meni se čini da mož da bidne i 7 meseci...


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    Post by kondo Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:15 pm

    ogromna većina ljudi prođe kroz koronu kao pas kroz rosu, bez ikakvih problema. samim tim ne osecaju potrebu da se vakcinišu isto kao što to ne rade ni protiv srednje pa čak ni jake prehlade. ne bih im posebno zamerao na tome pogotovo ne medicinskom osoblju koje više od nas ima dobar uvid. previše je hajpa oko toga, ovde na forumu da ne komentarišem. ja sam debeo pa ću da se vakcinišem, da imam 25 godina teško da bi se cimao da u ranu zoru idem na sajam.


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    Post by Janko Suvar Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:16 pm

    a jel su u kontaktu sa starim, gojaznim i osobama sa neregulisanim hronicnim boljkama?
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    Post by kondo Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:30 pm

    legitiman argument ali možda ljudi nemaju takve kontakte.


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    Post by lalinea Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:33 pm

    Janko Suvar wrote:a jel su u kontaktu sa starim, gojaznim i osobama sa neregulisanim hronicnim boljkama?
    Ja upravo ovo ne razumem. Znaci uopste ne razumem... Zato mi je MNE zavrsio na ignoru, zbog tog stava "ja sam ok, za druge me.bas briga".
    Jel ti ljudi stvarno nemaju u svom okruzenju ljude sa hronicnim bolestima, stare, trudne...pa nisu mogli da primete da i ti ljudi moraju da idu na posao, da idu kod lekara, vode macke kod veterinara, salju/vode decu u vrtice/skole, vidjaju se sa prijateljima/svojom decom/unucima... Ne mogu naredne 2 godine da sede izolovani u stanu sa jednom setnjom dnevno, cekajuci da se pandemija stavi pod kontrolu dok se 'manje rizicni' smisle kad je pravo vreme za vakcine. Dakle ili zive u nekom zescem bablu gde nam takvih ljudi, ili ih iskreno boli dupe za te druge.
    Po hiljaditi put: nema povratka u normalnost dok se ovo ne stavi pod kontrolu. Nema nacina da se stavi pod kontrolu osim hitnom i masovnom vakcinacijom.


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    Post by kondo Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:34 pm

    jel još neko primećuje da su vakseri postali jednako histerični kao anti vakseri?


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    Post by lalinea Sun Jan 24, 2021 1:35 pm

    Marius Lăcătuș wrote:ogromna većina ljudi prođe kroz koronu kao pas kroz rosu
    U medjuvremenu zdravstveni sistem pukne zbog onih sto bas i ne prodju kao pas kroz rosu...

    Edit: u kanadi je procena da onkoloska dijagnostika kasni 6 meseci u odnosu na 2019. Valjda ne moram da napominjem da 6 meseci u mnogo slucajeva znaci razliku izmedju zivota i smrti. Takodje, broj mrtvorodjene dece se povecao globalno, ne od kovida direktno vec zbog smanjenja prenatalnih pregleda.


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    Post by boomer crook Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:05 pm

    u mojoj neposrednoj okolini, medju najblizim prijateljima, za sada imamo jednu hospitalizaciju majke u batajnici, jednu hospitalizaciju oca u areni, dve hospitalizacije taste (od kojih je jedna, za sada, mogla da se zavrsi najgorim ishodom), jednu hospitalizaciju bliskog prijatelja/saradnika koja je mogla da se zavrsi smrcu plus smrt jednog dobrog poznanika koji je bio '73 godiste.

    nasuprot tome je kraci deranzman da me neko bocne iglom. mislim da su ljudi malo poput noja.


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    Post by Nektivni Ugnelj Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:05 pm

    Ama ko su ti sto su 100% sigurni? Ja sam prosle nedelje cuo za decka koji je u 19 god zaradio srcanu manu od korone. Tako da - ko hoce samo nek se izvoli praviti pametan.
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    Post by lalinea Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:13 pm

    boomer crook wrote:
    nasuprot tome je kraci deranzman da me neko bocne iglom. mislim da su ljudi malo poput noja.
    Da. Taj "situacija nije toliko dramaticna, ja sam ok, desava se drugima" stav im daje iluziju kontrole i sigurnosti pred necim pred cime su objektivno nemocni (novi virus).


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    Post by Guest Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:20 pm

    Marius Lăcătuș wrote:jel još neko primećuje da su vakseri postali jednako histerični kao anti vakseri?

    Ne.

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